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On February 05 2012 05:52 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 05:23 Noxblood wrote:On February 05 2012 02:49 Aocowns wrote:On February 05 2012 01:55 Noxblood wrote:On February 05 2012 01:45 mlm wrote:On February 05 2012 01:38 Aocowns wrote:
Can we all just shut up about this Tzain vs Stephano vs Idra bullshit?
None of them are as good as they want to be, none of them are comparable to the top koreans, all of them are practicing really hard. Let's wait for the new tournament season to start properly before we start judging by tournaments months and months ago I agree with you. Yes our top foreigners are weak at the moment, cheer for them instead of bashing them, whoever they are. I don't get people who want foreigners to be smashed. No more foreigner -> less interest in the game -> less tourneys etc etc and then it will be Korea and hipsters like back in Broodwar =.= I love foreigners. I always cheer for them! every tourney. But I think that Idra has just become a angry and a community basher. his BM has just become ridiculous. It's almost as the level that i don't root for him when he plays Koreans. Talking about what is health for the community. The behavior Idra shows too other players and the game inn general is whats bad for the community! Edit! His behavior has not become worse. But you would think he would grow up a little! Idra's attitude and bm has improved over the last year, and it will probably only keep improving. Of course, he will never be a Sheth, but personally, I don't care about that in the slightest. Also, I must say I completely 100% disagree. His BM and villainy nature is great for the community. It creates tension, drama and it attracts tons of attention, which is just what the community wants. Doesn't matter if you, and a couple more are butthurt(not saying you are) because he dropped an F-bomb, or told someone they're disgustingly bad off camera. The tiny disrespectful jabs, like not shaking hands with Cruncher is what the community feasts on, and loves. My issue is not that he is a little bad mouth. I can deal with that it's even funny sometimes. My problem is his attitude to the hole game. he clearly don't like the game, and it's never his fault if anythings goes wrong. as a person who probably watched/read 95% of all idra interviews, I just need to point out that idra actually does admit when it was his fault. this is from after his code s matches in January (2012) Show nested quote +Do you have any final words for your fans? Thanks for supporting me. I’ll try not to suck next time.
he has his moments, but don't think that excuses his behavior he often shows. Ya sometimes he say he played bad. But most of the time the other person sucks and all that thrash and he played unfair or something like that
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On February 05 2012 05:58 Noxblood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 05:52 Whole wrote:On February 05 2012 05:23 Noxblood wrote:On February 05 2012 02:49 Aocowns wrote:On February 05 2012 01:55 Noxblood wrote:On February 05 2012 01:45 mlm wrote:On February 05 2012 01:38 Aocowns wrote:
Can we all just shut up about this Tzain vs Stephano vs Idra bullshit?
None of them are as good as they want to be, none of them are comparable to the top koreans, all of them are practicing really hard. Let's wait for the new tournament season to start properly before we start judging by tournaments months and months ago I agree with you. Yes our top foreigners are weak at the moment, cheer for them instead of bashing them, whoever they are. I don't get people who want foreigners to be smashed. No more foreigner -> less interest in the game -> less tourneys etc etc and then it will be Korea and hipsters like back in Broodwar =.= I love foreigners. I always cheer for them! every tourney. But I think that Idra has just become a angry and a community basher. his BM has just become ridiculous. It's almost as the level that i don't root for him when he plays Koreans. Talking about what is health for the community. The behavior Idra shows too other players and the game inn general is whats bad for the community! Edit! His behavior has not become worse. But you would think he would grow up a little! Idra's attitude and bm has improved over the last year, and it will probably only keep improving. Of course, he will never be a Sheth, but personally, I don't care about that in the slightest. Also, I must say I completely 100% disagree. His BM and villainy nature is great for the community. It creates tension, drama and it attracts tons of attention, which is just what the community wants. Doesn't matter if you, and a couple more are butthurt(not saying you are) because he dropped an F-bomb, or told someone they're disgustingly bad off camera. The tiny disrespectful jabs, like not shaking hands with Cruncher is what the community feasts on, and loves. My issue is not that he is a little bad mouth. I can deal with that it's even funny sometimes. My problem is his attitude to the hole game. he clearly don't like the game, and it's never his fault if anythings goes wrong. as a person who probably watched/read 95% of all idra interviews, I just need to point out that idra actually does admit when it was his fault. this is from after his code s matches in January (2012) Do you have any final words for your fans? Thanks for supporting me. I’ll try not to suck next time. he has his moments, but don't think that excuses his behavior he often shows. Ya sometimes he say he played bad. But most of the time the other person sucks and all that thrash and he played unfair or something like that
No.
Edit: Whole is right. He isn't as bad as you want him to be anymore
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On February 05 2012 05:58 Noxblood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 05:52 Whole wrote:On February 05 2012 05:23 Noxblood wrote:On February 05 2012 02:49 Aocowns wrote:On February 05 2012 01:55 Noxblood wrote:On February 05 2012 01:45 mlm wrote:On February 05 2012 01:38 Aocowns wrote:
Can we all just shut up about this Tzain vs Stephano vs Idra bullshit?
None of them are as good as they want to be, none of them are comparable to the top koreans, all of them are practicing really hard. Let's wait for the new tournament season to start properly before we start judging by tournaments months and months ago I agree with you. Yes our top foreigners are weak at the moment, cheer for them instead of bashing them, whoever they are. I don't get people who want foreigners to be smashed. No more foreigner -> less interest in the game -> less tourneys etc etc and then it will be Korea and hipsters like back in Broodwar =.= I love foreigners. I always cheer for them! every tourney. But I think that Idra has just become a angry and a community basher. his BM has just become ridiculous. It's almost as the level that i don't root for him when he plays Koreans. Talking about what is health for the community. The behavior Idra shows too other players and the game inn general is whats bad for the community! Edit! His behavior has not become worse. But you would think he would grow up a little! Idra's attitude and bm has improved over the last year, and it will probably only keep improving. Of course, he will never be a Sheth, but personally, I don't care about that in the slightest. Also, I must say I completely 100% disagree. His BM and villainy nature is great for the community. It creates tension, drama and it attracts tons of attention, which is just what the community wants. Doesn't matter if you, and a couple more are butthurt(not saying you are) because he dropped an F-bomb, or told someone they're disgustingly bad off camera. The tiny disrespectful jabs, like not shaking hands with Cruncher is what the community feasts on, and loves. My issue is not that he is a little bad mouth. I can deal with that it's even funny sometimes. My problem is his attitude to the hole game. he clearly don't like the game, and it's never his fault if anythings goes wrong. as a person who probably watched/read 95% of all idra interviews, I just need to point out that idra actually does admit when it was his fault. this is from after his code s matches in January (2012) Do you have any final words for your fans? Thanks for supporting me. I’ll try not to suck next time. he has his moments, but don't think that excuses his behavior he often shows. Ya sometimes he say he played bad. But most of the time the other person sucks and all that thrash and he played unfair or something like that
Guess this'll be my first post here. Longtime Idra fan. 
I'd like to see some examples of this behavior recently. I'm the first to admit Idra has his faults, but he has gotten significantly better. The only time he truly complains about his opponent specifically is on ladder nowadays. When it comes to tournaments, he's manner. He might say things like 'he just cheesed, he's not a good macro player', but then says 'so it's my fault I lost pretty much. I just played stupid'.
Maybe I'm biased and I've blocked all of his truly BM moments to people who don't deserve it out of my mind, but most people have been seeing a very different Idra in the past few months.
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On February 05 2012 06:00 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 05:58 Noxblood wrote:On February 05 2012 05:52 Whole wrote:On February 05 2012 05:23 Noxblood wrote:On February 05 2012 02:49 Aocowns wrote:On February 05 2012 01:55 Noxblood wrote:On February 05 2012 01:45 mlm wrote:On February 05 2012 01:38 Aocowns wrote:
Can we all just shut up about this Tzain vs Stephano vs Idra bullshit?
None of them are as good as they want to be, none of them are comparable to the top koreans, all of them are practicing really hard. Let's wait for the new tournament season to start properly before we start judging by tournaments months and months ago I agree with you. Yes our top foreigners are weak at the moment, cheer for them instead of bashing them, whoever they are. I don't get people who want foreigners to be smashed. No more foreigner -> less interest in the game -> less tourneys etc etc and then it will be Korea and hipsters like back in Broodwar =.= I love foreigners. I always cheer for them! every tourney. But I think that Idra has just become a angry and a community basher. his BM has just become ridiculous. It's almost as the level that i don't root for him when he plays Koreans. Talking about what is health for the community. The behavior Idra shows too other players and the game inn general is whats bad for the community! Edit! His behavior has not become worse. But you would think he would grow up a little! Idra's attitude and bm has improved over the last year, and it will probably only keep improving. Of course, he will never be a Sheth, but personally, I don't care about that in the slightest. Also, I must say I completely 100% disagree. His BM and villainy nature is great for the community. It creates tension, drama and it attracts tons of attention, which is just what the community wants. Doesn't matter if you, and a couple more are butthurt(not saying you are) because he dropped an F-bomb, or told someone they're disgustingly bad off camera. The tiny disrespectful jabs, like not shaking hands with Cruncher is what the community feasts on, and loves. My issue is not that he is a little bad mouth. I can deal with that it's even funny sometimes. My problem is his attitude to the hole game. he clearly don't like the game, and it's never his fault if anythings goes wrong. as a person who probably watched/read 95% of all idra interviews, I just need to point out that idra actually does admit when it was his fault. this is from after his code s matches in January (2012) Do you have any final words for your fans? Thanks for supporting me. I’ll try not to suck next time. he has his moments, but don't think that excuses his behavior he often shows. Ya sometimes he say he played bad. But most of the time the other person sucks and all that thrash and he played unfair or something like that No. Edit: Whole is right. He isn't as bad as you want him to be anymore
I might exaggerate a some. And i might just be a little tired of BM in general. And like i said he seems like a nice person inn person.
It's just comments like the "game is bad" on the topicTopic. I start too think if the game is so bad go play something els and stop bitching about how you don't like the game. I don't have any thing against Idra inn general, It's just the immature nature and fans that his attitude brings. People say it is needed for tension and drama. I feel we have way more drama inn this scene that is health compared too it's size as it is.
Also the constant complaining about imbalance!
But i still cheer for Idra at tournaments. but if Idra or sheth play against each other there is no doudt inn my mind who i am rooting for.
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He doesn't play the game because he likes it, but because it is his job, pretty much. He has spent years to hone his RTS skills, and you suggest he just... switch game? What other RTS is big enough to provide a good income? Do you suggest he completely starts over with his gamer career, and starts learning FPS or MOBAs instead?
There are different types of drama as well though, I think. There is Stephano and the ONOG thing, and Naniwa throwing the games against Nestea(Nothing against these 2, just the first things that come to mind)
Then there are drama like what Idra provides. Idra refuses to shake Cruncher's hand, then you kind of HAVE to see what happens next. Does Idra completely fall apart? Does he steamroll Cruncher? Do we get to hear more in the interview after the game?
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On February 05 2012 06:53 Aocowns wrote:
He doesn't play the game because he likes it, but because it is his job, pretty much. He has spent years to hone his RTS skills, and you suggest he just... switch game? What other RTS is big enough to provide a good income? Do you suggest he completely starts over with his gamer career, and starts learning FPS or MOBAs instead?
There are different types of drama as well though, I think. There is Stephano and the ONOG thing, and Naniwa throwing the games against Nestea(Nothing against these 2, just the first things that come to mind)
Then there are drama like what Idra provides. Idra refuses to shake Cruncher's hand, then you kind of HAVE to see what happens next. Does Idra completely fall apart? Does he steamroll Cruncher? Do we get to hear more in the interview after the game?
On the first point i do agree.that it is his job, But he is complaining that a game that is now almost 2 years old is not playing like a 10 year old game. And what other game? SC1. But i agree that i might be out on a little thin ice on that one. I also might as i said before irritated by all the BM that goes on on ladder. and inn general inn the community
On the drama stuff. This might be one of the things that gets me most irritated. We tolerate stuff from Idra. like inn IPL3 he dropped the pool play because he was tired. was not very much complaining about that. But when Naniwas was about to leave the IEM kiev it is so bad even though i think that Naniwa argument for not wanting to play was a lot better. or did that Probe rush, where Naniwa was just destroyed and was so sad losing 3 really really close sets. and the community crucify him like has ruined the esport scene.
Even that you mention Stephano and ONOG which was pretty much the same thing what Idra did inn IPL3 just shows it(though stephano was a little worse). I think of all the people that does stupid stuff(idra, stephano and naniwa mostly) Naniwa is the guy that does least bad stuff he just is a little awkward so people judge him so harsher. But Idra is a little better inn that expect so people tolerate more, and Stephano is just French so people expect it more  ( I personly don't mind any of the things Naniwa, Stephano and Idra did inn those cases but the reaction too them is so imbalanced( hehe ) that is really annoying.
But you guys have argued well and i would conseed that he has become better, and he is not as bad as I might make him out to be. But still think there is stuff that he can improve on. He is a face of esports and yes i hold him inn a high standard than people like combatex.
Inn this discussion i have found out my problem is more with the community, and how we enjoy hatting on spesific people. and let other bad behavior go without complaint.
On February 05 2012 06:03 ZombieGrub wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 05:58 Noxblood wrote:On February 05 2012 05:52 Whole wrote:On February 05 2012 05:23 Noxblood wrote:On February 05 2012 02:49 Aocowns wrote:On February 05 2012 01:55 Noxblood wrote:On February 05 2012 01:45 mlm wrote:On February 05 2012 01:38 Aocowns wrote:
Can we all just shut up about this Tzain vs Stephano vs Idra bullshit?
None of them are as good as they want to be, none of them are comparable to the top koreans, all of them are practicing really hard. Let's wait for the new tournament season to start properly before we start judging by tournaments months and months ago I agree with you. Yes our top foreigners are weak at the moment, cheer for them instead of bashing them, whoever they are. I don't get people who want foreigners to be smashed. No more foreigner -> less interest in the game -> less tourneys etc etc and then it will be Korea and hipsters like back in Broodwar =.= I love foreigners. I always cheer for them! every tourney. But I think that Idra has just become a angry and a community basher. his BM has just become ridiculous. It's almost as the level that i don't root for him when he plays Koreans. Talking about what is health for the community. The behavior Idra shows too other players and the game inn general is whats bad for the community! Edit! His behavior has not become worse. But you would think he would grow up a little! Idra's attitude and bm has improved over the last year, and it will probably only keep improving. Of course, he will never be a Sheth, but personally, I don't care about that in the slightest. Also, I must say I completely 100% disagree. His BM and villainy nature is great for the community. It creates tension, drama and it attracts tons of attention, which is just what the community wants. Doesn't matter if you, and a couple more are butthurt(not saying you are) because he dropped an F-bomb, or told someone they're disgustingly bad off camera. The tiny disrespectful jabs, like not shaking hands with Cruncher is what the community feasts on, and loves. My issue is not that he is a little bad mouth. I can deal with that it's even funny sometimes. My problem is his attitude to the hole game. he clearly don't like the game, and it's never his fault if anythings goes wrong. as a person who probably watched/read 95% of all idra interviews, I just need to point out that idra actually does admit when it was his fault. this is from after his code s matches in January (2012) Do you have any final words for your fans? Thanks for supporting me. I’ll try not to suck next time. he has his moments, but don't think that excuses his behavior he often shows. Ya sometimes he say he played bad. But most of the time the other person sucks and all that thrash and he played unfair or something like that Guess this'll be my first post here. Longtime Idra fan. I'd like to see some examples of this behavior recently. I'm the first to admit Idra has his faults, but he has gotten significantly better. The only time he truly complains about his opponent specifically is on ladder nowadays. When it comes to tournaments, he's manner. He might say things like 'he just cheesed, he's not a good macro player', but then says 'so it's my fault I lost pretty much. I just played stupid'. Maybe I'm biased and I've blocked all of his truly BM moments to people who don't deserve it out of my mind, but most people have been seeing a very different Idra in the past few months. you are right and I am most likely judging him on how he was a while back. I think my issue is more how we tolerate some stuff from some people but not from others.
also as a little thing i believe there is a different thing saying stuff to start a little competition and making a rivalry out of a match up, And strait out being a ass. And i think it is important that we see the difference.
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I was watching his stream last night and I like his quick 3 base play. Worked really well v Toss. Anyone know that song that was being played every 3 songs. Was a really sweet Dubstep one. Thanks to those who can help.
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There is a difference between the Idra IPL3 compared to teh Naniwa and Stephano thing.
Idra tried playing, but he almost fell asleep in his booth while playing WhiteRa. He just couldn't stay up due to exhaustion, and being on the fly for the last 2 weeks. So, rather than providing extremely shitty games, he decided to forfeit(there were many others who forfeit as well, without a better reason than Idra)
Stephano signed up for 2 tournaments on teh same day, I dunno exatly what happened about that eating episode, but if he really paused a tournament game to go eat, that is much worse than what Idra did. Also, he gave the tournament people an ultimatum, and I tihnk Stephano could and should have stayed up longer to play it out. There is a difference between playing all day, and getting a little tired at the end, compared to flying around the world for 2 weeks with minimum sleep, with heavy jetlag in addition.
Now tell me, what is a more adequate reason? Probe rushing, and throwing the games because he was sad and didn't want to play anymore, or falling asleep in his booth during the first set of the day?
It didn't get tolerated when Idra did it. Idra got critisised by the community as well, just not to the extent as Naniwa was, and rightfully so. There were a lot of pther players who decided not to play the group stages that day.
Edit: Seems we're both tired of arguing about this, so I'm not going to keep responding, or bring it up again Maaaachiiiine streeeeaaaaminggggg!!!
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On February 05 2012 07:58 Aocowns wrote:There is a difference between the Idra IPL3 compared to teh Naniwa and Stephano thing. Idra tried playing, but he almost fell asleep in his booth while playing WhiteRa. He just couldn't stay up due to exhaustion, and being on the fly for the last 2 weeks. So, rather than providing extremely shitty games, he decided to forfeit(there were many others who forfeit as well, without a better reason than Idra) Stephano signed up for 2 tournaments on teh same day, I dunno exatly what happened about that eating episode, but if he really paused a tournament game to go eat, that is much worse than what Idra did. Also, he gave the tournament people an ultimatum, and I tihnk Stephano could and should have stayed up longer to play it out. There is a difference between playing all day, and getting a little tired at the end, compared to flying around the world for 2 weeks with minimum sleep, with heavy jetlag in addition. Now tell me, what is a more adequate reason? Probe rushing, and throwing the games because he was sad and didn't want to play anymore, or falling asleep in his booth during the first set of the day? It didn't get tolerated when Idra did it. Idra got critisised by the community as well, just not to the extent as Naniwa was, and rightfully so. There were a lot of pther players who decided not to play the group stages that day. Edit: Seems we're both tired of arguing about this, so I'm not going to keep responding, or bring it up again Maaaachiiiine streeeeaaaaminggggg!!!
I think that what Naniwa probe thing was such a HUGE overreaction from GomTV and the community. he was ruined mentally after those games! But i agree most of the things with Idra, i just think the community have found one guy they want to hate on, and right now that is Naniwa. Much because he is a little awkward. and his English is average.
on the stephano thing yes it is worse, you are right about that as i also wrote on my post. But i think Naniwas thing was the least bad thing but that is my opinion
But agree on about the idra thing so this is kinda a discussion about the community inn general so agree was fun as long as it lasted  Time for some Taco :D
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On February 04 2012 01:13 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 21:46 cydial wrote:On February 03 2012 18:35 AidoS wrote:http://www.own3d.tv/Destiny#/watch/431475there ya go, destiny analysing idra vs avenge, says why greg lost everyone should watch, he says some importend stuff starts after 60 min Destiny is wrong. Why do people say stupid shit like, "He played so perfectly, but there was nothing he could do?" That makes no fucking sense. If you lose a game it's YOUR fault. It doesn't matter if you're a pro or not, what you've done in the past has no bearing on what is happening in the game NOW. When idra saw the robo, saw the gateways, saw the lack of probe production, he knew it was coming. Why oh why do zerg insist on trying to defend an all in like this AT THEIR BASE? If you lose the fight mid map then at least you have the chance to remax and start up static defense. If you lose the fight at your doorstep? It's over. Idra should've started making units as soon as he saw what the build was, especially one that is an all in. Engage the army at one of the watch towers and force force fields from the protoss away from his base. The lack of energy on the sentries will allow for a much stronger defense of his natural / main when the 2nd wave of protoss units come with sentries next to dry on energy. just wanted to say that idra always knew the push was coming and droned until the right amount (not as soon as he saw what build it was, that's just silly) and I really disagree with your opinion. if he attacked in mid map (which he had 20 roaches and 20 lings against around a zealot, 9 stalkers, 9 sentries with around half energy plus 2 immortals), he would just lose around half his stuff, kill off maybe 4 stalkers, some sentries and the zealot, then lose to the now reinforced army because the immortals are not dead . fighting at doorstep is ok if he isn't FF the ramp
So basically there's nothing he could've done right? Idra already lost the match before it started and just ended up wasting time.
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On February 04 2012 00:24 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 23:42 cydial wrote:On February 03 2012 23:16 Junichi wrote:On February 03 2012 21:46 cydial wrote:On February 03 2012 18:35 AidoS wrote:http://www.own3d.tv/Destiny#/watch/431475there ya go, destiny analysing idra vs avenge, says why greg lost everyone should watch, he says some importend stuff starts after 60 min + Show Spoiler +Destiny is wrong. Why do people say stupid shit like, "He played so perfectly, but there was nothing he could do?"
That makes no fucking sense. If you lose a game it's YOUR fault. It doesn't matter if you're a pro or not, what you've done in the past has no bearing on what is happening in the game NOW.
When idra saw the robo, saw the gateways, saw the lack of probe production, he knew it was coming.
Why oh why do zerg insist on trying to defend an all in like this AT THEIR BASE? If you lose the fight mid map then at least you have the chance to remax and start up static defense. If you lose the fight at your doorstep? It's over.
Idra should've started making units as soon as he saw what the build was, especially one that is an all in. Engage the army at one of the watch towers and force force fields from the protoss away from his base. The lack of energy on the sentries will allow for a much stronger defense of his natural / main when the 2nd wave of protoss units come with sentries next to dry on energy. Funny how you start with "Destiny is wrong." and then proceed to point out what Destiny himself said IdrA could have done better in his opinion. Imo, you are right, as is Destiny, in that that could have helped, but no one knows for sure. If you read my post you'd see the quote. Destiny said he played so perfectly and I'm disagreeing because Idra actually played poorly. Game one he basically played perfectly. What did he do wrong other than let the protoss get perfect positioning? And game 2 he made the mistake of going muta instead of anticipating another all-in. I don't understand how you think Destiny's wrong..>_>
You just said it yourself... he said he played perfectly, and I say he didn't play perfectly and that there was a lot he could've done different.
And you said it again.... he let the protoss get into a position from which idra COULDNT defend....
my brain hurts.
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Stop taking the term 'perfect' too literally. It is thrown around all the time in this context by even the most prominent casters.
IdrA knows why he lost, he is probably one of the best at analysis in this game, if he doesn't feel the need to let everyone else know why he lost or he doesn't feel the need to point out in a 30 seconds 'loser' interview why he lost then there's nothing wrong with that.
More often then not IdrA subtly hints at why he lost but covers it up by saying negative things about his opponent (which are most of the time justified and completely correct)
Stop hating on him, this is his fan club thread and nowadays its full of people who take pleasure in watching IdrA fail or evoking negative responses in his actual fans
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On February 05 2012 18:08 cydial wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 00:24 Megabuster123 wrote:On February 03 2012 23:42 cydial wrote:On February 03 2012 23:16 Junichi wrote:On February 03 2012 21:46 cydial wrote:On February 03 2012 18:35 AidoS wrote:http://www.own3d.tv/Destiny#/watch/431475there ya go, destiny analysing idra vs avenge, says why greg lost everyone should watch, he says some importend stuff starts after 60 min + Show Spoiler +Destiny is wrong. Why do people say stupid shit like, "He played so perfectly, but there was nothing he could do?"
That makes no fucking sense. If you lose a game it's YOUR fault. It doesn't matter if you're a pro or not, what you've done in the past has no bearing on what is happening in the game NOW.
When idra saw the robo, saw the gateways, saw the lack of probe production, he knew it was coming.
Why oh why do zerg insist on trying to defend an all in like this AT THEIR BASE? If you lose the fight mid map then at least you have the chance to remax and start up static defense. If you lose the fight at your doorstep? It's over.
Idra should've started making units as soon as he saw what the build was, especially one that is an all in. Engage the army at one of the watch towers and force force fields from the protoss away from his base. The lack of energy on the sentries will allow for a much stronger defense of his natural / main when the 2nd wave of protoss units come with sentries next to dry on energy. Funny how you start with "Destiny is wrong." and then proceed to point out what Destiny himself said IdrA could have done better in his opinion. Imo, you are right, as is Destiny, in that that could have helped, but no one knows for sure. If you read my post you'd see the quote. Destiny said he played so perfectly and I'm disagreeing because Idra actually played poorly. Game one he basically played perfectly. What did he do wrong other than let the protoss get perfect positioning? And game 2 he made the mistake of going muta instead of anticipating another all-in. I don't understand how you think Destiny's wrong..>_> You just said it yourself... he said he played perfectly, and I say he didn't play perfectly and that there was a lot he could've done different. And you said it again.... he let the protoss get into a position from which idra COULDNT defend.... my brain hurts.
He made one mistake. Only one. So no, there's not a lot he could have done differently. He played perfectly except that he let P get into a position where P auto-wins thanks to force fields (which are honestly a retarded design feature). That is one mistake. One. Not a lot of mistakes. One.
I can understand your brain hurts if you're having trouble comprehending something as simple as counting from more than one.
PS: Having an auto-win if you can get into Z's base with x amount of sentries and y amount of stalkers is really just poor design.
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Instead of people saying that Idra was wrong in saying that he played perfect. Tell us what he could've done better. Like Incognoto above me says, Idra didn't make many mistakes he made one mistake and he lost because of it. I wouldn't even call it a mistake if it was another race, it's just that when protoss gets that positioning they can abuse forcefield until the opponent dies.
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IdrA just played KawaiiRice on KR's stream. I think IdrA has gotten more aggressive in ZvT. Really weird seeing him initiate fights.
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Idra such a baller
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On February 05 2012 18:53 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 18:08 cydial wrote:On February 04 2012 00:24 Megabuster123 wrote:On February 03 2012 23:42 cydial wrote:On February 03 2012 23:16 Junichi wrote:On February 03 2012 21:46 cydial wrote:On February 03 2012 18:35 AidoS wrote:http://www.own3d.tv/Destiny#/watch/431475there ya go, destiny analysing idra vs avenge, says why greg lost everyone should watch, he says some importend stuff starts after 60 min + Show Spoiler +Destiny is wrong. Why do people say stupid shit like, "He played so perfectly, but there was nothing he could do?"
That makes no fucking sense. If you lose a game it's YOUR fault. It doesn't matter if you're a pro or not, what you've done in the past has no bearing on what is happening in the game NOW.
When idra saw the robo, saw the gateways, saw the lack of probe production, he knew it was coming.
Why oh why do zerg insist on trying to defend an all in like this AT THEIR BASE? If you lose the fight mid map then at least you have the chance to remax and start up static defense. If you lose the fight at your doorstep? It's over.
Idra should've started making units as soon as he saw what the build was, especially one that is an all in. Engage the army at one of the watch towers and force force fields from the protoss away from his base. The lack of energy on the sentries will allow for a much stronger defense of his natural / main when the 2nd wave of protoss units come with sentries next to dry on energy. Funny how you start with "Destiny is wrong." and then proceed to point out what Destiny himself said IdrA could have done better in his opinion. Imo, you are right, as is Destiny, in that that could have helped, but no one knows for sure. If you read my post you'd see the quote. Destiny said he played so perfectly and I'm disagreeing because Idra actually played poorly. Game one he basically played perfectly. What did he do wrong other than let the protoss get perfect positioning? And game 2 he made the mistake of going muta instead of anticipating another all-in. I don't understand how you think Destiny's wrong..>_> You just said it yourself... he said he played perfectly, and I say he didn't play perfectly and that there was a lot he could've done different. And you said it again.... he let the protoss get into a position from which idra COULDNT defend.... my brain hurts. He made one mistake. Only one. So no, there's not a lot he could have done differently. He played perfectly except that he let P get into a position where P auto-wins thanks to force fields (which are honestly a retarded design feature). That is one mistake. One. Not a lot of mistakes. One. I can understand your brain hurts if you're having trouble comprehending something as simple as counting from more than one. PS: Having an auto-win if you can get into Z's base with x amount of sentries and y amount of stalkers is really just poor design.
Ahah. You guys are whining even more than IdrA now !
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On February 05 2012 20:03 Eshra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 18:53 Incognoto wrote:On February 05 2012 18:08 cydial wrote:On February 04 2012 00:24 Megabuster123 wrote:On February 03 2012 23:42 cydial wrote:On February 03 2012 23:16 Junichi wrote:On February 03 2012 21:46 cydial wrote:On February 03 2012 18:35 AidoS wrote:http://www.own3d.tv/Destiny#/watch/431475there ya go, destiny analysing idra vs avenge, says why greg lost everyone should watch, he says some importend stuff starts after 60 min + Show Spoiler +Destiny is wrong. Why do people say stupid shit like, "He played so perfectly, but there was nothing he could do?"
That makes no fucking sense. If you lose a game it's YOUR fault. It doesn't matter if you're a pro or not, what you've done in the past has no bearing on what is happening in the game NOW.
When idra saw the robo, saw the gateways, saw the lack of probe production, he knew it was coming.
Why oh why do zerg insist on trying to defend an all in like this AT THEIR BASE? If you lose the fight mid map then at least you have the chance to remax and start up static defense. If you lose the fight at your doorstep? It's over.
Idra should've started making units as soon as he saw what the build was, especially one that is an all in. Engage the army at one of the watch towers and force force fields from the protoss away from his base. The lack of energy on the sentries will allow for a much stronger defense of his natural / main when the 2nd wave of protoss units come with sentries next to dry on energy. Funny how you start with "Destiny is wrong." and then proceed to point out what Destiny himself said IdrA could have done better in his opinion. Imo, you are right, as is Destiny, in that that could have helped, but no one knows for sure. If you read my post you'd see the quote. Destiny said he played so perfectly and I'm disagreeing because Idra actually played poorly. Game one he basically played perfectly. What did he do wrong other than let the protoss get perfect positioning? And game 2 he made the mistake of going muta instead of anticipating another all-in. I don't understand how you think Destiny's wrong..>_> You just said it yourself... he said he played perfectly, and I say he didn't play perfectly and that there was a lot he could've done different. And you said it again.... he let the protoss get into a position from which idra COULDNT defend.... my brain hurts. He made one mistake. Only one. So no, there's not a lot he could have done differently. He played perfectly except that he let P get into a position where P auto-wins thanks to force fields (which are honestly a retarded design feature). That is one mistake. One. Not a lot of mistakes. One. I can understand your brain hurts if you're having trouble comprehending something as simple as counting from more than one. PS: Having an auto-win if you can get into Z's base with x amount of sentries and y amount of stalkers is really just poor design. Ahah. You guys are whining even more than IdrA now !
Whining? I am not whining. I am explaining. Do you want to hear whining? This is whining.
Avenge is a faggot.
Protoss should be nerrrrfed.
Why don't Muta counter Stalkers?
How come Blizzard hates Zerg?
Why does GSL conspire against foreigners?
Protoss players are such poor sports.
You're probably gay.
Edit: Oh btw, I know this is unlikely, but does anyone know where to find some recent Idra replays?
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there isn't :/ apart from the gsl vods, the most recent replays are from the dreamhack/eswc/nasl cluster of games.
he does have some lengthy replays from his stream in the past 2 days though.
if you mean replays and not vods then not many can help you :/
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