• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 00:04
CET 06:04
KST 14:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1812Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises1Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion What monitor do you use for playing Remastered? (UMS) SWITCHEROO *New* /Destination Edit/ What are former legends up to these days?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB & LB Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 12 Days of Starcraft Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1250 users

The IdrA Fan Club - Page 1617

Forum Index > Fan Clubs
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1615 1616 1617 1618 1619 2897 Next
Personal attacks in this thread will draw a temp ban.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
January 03 2012 19:59 GMT
#32321
On January 04 2012 04:39 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 03:18 Micket wrote:
Boxer got 700K, not 70k! That's 3 times higher than any live stream ever!


I wouldn't bother if you hadn't said 'any live stream ever' but the Dota 2 International had more than one and a half million for the first game.

An oversight on my part. I was of course talking about sc2. When we bring the Chinese into the equation when talking about esports viewership, everything is blown out of the water.

As for Idra cheese, I tend to disagree with him being a 'macro cheeser'. He tends to tread a thin line between safety and greed but he doesn't regularly take a huge risk. I would define a macro cheese as this - 'if the entire map was revealed at the instant I made a decision to 'insert risky economical strategy', I would lose 100% of the time.' An example would be 15cc on xelnaga caverns. Zerg would win every game vs Terran if T went this build, even if Terran could see what Zerg was doing. An example that doesn't work is forge expand vs Z. As much as reddit scrubs like to say 'lol NaNiwa punished for greedy forge expand,' it is entirely safe.

I think Idra plays more like the second category, rather than the 15cc example. When I look at Idra's builds, I can see how he can hold off everything (cept ZvZ but we don't need to discuss that). Therefore he ain't a macro cheeser (most of the time).
Ravnemesteren
Profile Joined May 2011
224 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 20:10:30
January 03 2012 20:08 GMT
#32322
Yeah macro cheese works like cheese. Doing something very risky and hope it doesnt get scouted. Like double expanding vs T and hope you dont get attacked.

I can't see how anyone would call IdrA's builds for macro cheese... thats incredibly silly in my opinion. He tries to play very safe on 2 base for quite a while vs T, and he expands at a standard timing vs P. I don't get it.
arcane1129
Profile Joined January 2011
United States271 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 20:13:30
January 03 2012 20:11 GMT
#32323
Anyone who thinks Idra wins his games by just crossing his fingers and droning while hoping to not be attacked has no understanding of starcraft.
Golbat
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States499 Posts
January 03 2012 20:40 GMT
#32324
I feel like I would call what Idra does on occasion with being incredibly greedy "macro cheese". Isn't cheese a really nebulous term in itself anyways? But I love watching him do it, because when he pulls it off, he does it with style.
Like why do u use an oven instead of a fire? Coz its fucking better at cooking, that doesnt mean you want the shit to burn.
Evotroid
Profile Joined October 2011
Hungary176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 20:51:35
January 03 2012 20:50 GMT
#32325
On January 04 2012 05:08 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Yeah macro cheese works like cheese. Doing something very risky and hope it doesnt get scouted. Like double expanding vs T and hope you dont get attacked.

I can't see how anyone would call IdrA's builds for macro cheese... thats incredibly silly in my opinion. He tries to play very safe on 2 base for quite a while vs T, and he expands at a standard timing vs P. I don't get it.


Edit:Don't mind me I was stupid
I got nothing.
Makura
Profile Joined December 2010
United States317 Posts
January 03 2012 20:53 GMT
#32326
On January 04 2012 05:40 Golbat wrote:
I feel like I would call what Idra does on occasion with being incredibly greedy "macro cheese". Isn't cheese a really nebulous term in itself anyways? But I love watching him do it, because when he pulls it off, he does it with style.


The term can be applicable but much like the traditional cheese term, it is often overused.

I would classify the 15 hatch with an extremely late pool without drone scouting on a relatively small map to be a macro cheese but not like the reactive fast 3rd hatch when he sees ffe by a toss or something
SHOW THEM WHAT THE CATFISH COMBO IS ALL ABOUT!
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
January 03 2012 20:54 GMT
#32327
Yeah I dont think idra does "macro cheese". I think the reason he is caught off guard by early game aggressiveness is because his scouting could be better, not because he takes risks (although I guess not scouting is a risk?).
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
January 03 2012 20:57 GMT
#32328
Only in the IdrA fanclub can the posts become off topic for pages and turn into SRS BSNS about MVP vs Flash and SC2 vs BW. Without moderation.
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
LingBlingMuta
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States382 Posts
January 03 2012 20:57 GMT
#32329
On January 04 2012 05:40 Golbat wrote:
I feel like I would call what Idra does on occasion with being incredibly greedy "macro cheese". Isn't cheese a really nebulous term in itself anyways? But I love watching him do it, because when he pulls it off, he does it with style.



No because with proper control and decision making he can be safe from any attack.

Sure he loses to some sketch pushes etc. that doesnt mean it was because he was greedy 9 times out of 10 its because he either didnt wait long enough to *go for it* or he gets out micro'd.

Idra is one of the safest zergs as far as that goes. IMO Ret is way more greedy than Idra.
The Gracken shall be re-released... Soon
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
January 03 2012 21:00 GMT
#32330




Couple games uploaded by the IGN channel on youtube. I can't remember seeing these games >.< One of the casters is speaking of Anaheim like it was last weekend, so these are horribly old. Still, I'll post them ^^
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 21:22:08
January 03 2012 21:21 GMT
#32331
Can't wait to see the new and improved IdrA fight in the GSL

And stomp on foreigners afters ^_^
Fav Terran: forGG, aLive, Jinro ||| Fav Zerg: Moon, TLO, DRG ||| Fav Protoss: Genius, Grubby, ToD
Khazroul
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
January 03 2012 21:27 GMT
#32332
Hey Aocowns! Thanks for the links
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
January 03 2012 21:46 GMT
#32333
On January 04 2012 06:27 Khazroul wrote:
Hey Aocowns! Thanks for the links

Hey dude x)
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 22:44:48
January 03 2012 22:44 GMT
#32334
hmm... pretty though day on ladder today.
i wonder if idrA is experimenting stuff on ladder, or play seriously to measure his skill :/
EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
January 03 2012 23:05 GMT
#32335
Does anyone have the VOD of Idra post-interview after beating Hwangsin in the NASL playoffs? It was so hilarious when he was asked by Gretorp "What do you think beating Hwangsin means?" and Idra answering "Beating Hwangsin doesn't mean anything because he is terrible."
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
January 03 2012 23:11 GMT
#32336
On January 04 2012 08:05 Bleak wrote:
Does anyone have the VOD of Idra post-interview after beating Hwangsin in the NASL playoffs? It was so hilarious when he was asked by Gretorp "What do you think beating Hwangsin means?" and Idra answering "Beating Hwangsin doesn't mean anything because he is terrible."



Here you go.
"let your freak flag fly"
AliasO
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States61 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 23:58:26
January 03 2012 23:37 GMT
#32337
Hmm I thought someone would've mentioned this by now but "Building on the motto of "Yo Bitch, Inject' as intro'ed on last nights @KingsOfTin @idrajit is gonna weigh in while @djWHEAT plays!" (from itg twitter.)
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
January 03 2012 23:41 GMT
#32338
On January 04 2012 08:37 AliasO wrote:
Hmm I thought some would've mentioned this by now but "Building on the motto of "Yo Bitch, Inject' as intro'ed on last nights @KingsOfTin @idrajit is gonna weigh in while @djWHEAT plays!" (from itg twitter.)

So Idra is going to commentate, and help Wheat out while he plays? I AM WATCHING DAT SHIT.
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Golbat
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States499 Posts
January 03 2012 23:57 GMT
#32339
On January 04 2012 08:41 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 08:37 AliasO wrote:
Hmm I thought some would've mentioned this by now but "Building on the motto of "Yo Bitch, Inject' as intro'ed on last nights @KingsOfTin @idrajit is gonna weigh in while @djWHEAT plays!" (from itg twitter.)

So Idra is going to commentate, and help Wheat out while he plays? I AM WATCHING DAT SHIT.

Does it say when???
Like why do u use an oven instead of a fire? Coz its fucking better at cooking, that doesnt mean you want the shit to burn.
AliasO
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States61 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-04 00:28:43
January 03 2012 23:58 GMT
#32340
On January 04 2012 08:57 Golbat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 08:41 Aocowns wrote:
On January 04 2012 08:37 AliasO wrote:
Hmm I thought some would've mentioned this by now but "Building on the motto of "Yo Bitch, Inject' as intro'ed on last nights @KingsOfTin @idrajit is gonna weigh in while @djWHEAT plays!" (from itg twitter.)

So Idra is going to commentate, and help Wheat out while he plays? I AM WATCHING DAT SHIT.

Does it say when???

7 pm EST (or so it was supposed to be.) Ok, now I am really confused I guess miniwheat is doing tonight's itg.
Prev 1 1615 1616 1617 1618 1619 2897 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
21:15
Best Games of SC
SHIN vs sOs
Reynor vs Zoun
herO vs Classic
Solar vs Reynor
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 236
Nina 113
Ketroc 48
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 121
ZergMaN 61
Hm[arnc] 49
Noble 33
Icarus 6
Dota 2
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 696
C9.Mang0554
Counter-Strike
summit1g9675
tarik_tv5122
minikerr41
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1867
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1493
BasetradeTV26
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH232
• practicex 31
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki16
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra1125
Upcoming Events
OSC
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
OSC
3 days
IPSL
3 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
OSC
3 days
OSC
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Patches Events
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-12-29
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W2
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.