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On January 04 2012 00:25 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 00:20 cavalier117 wrote:On January 03 2012 23:30 drlame wrote:On January 03 2012 19:57 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 19:42 LingBlingMuta wrote:On January 03 2012 19:12 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 15:21 isleyofthenorth wrote:
MVP is an overrated cheesy terran. He's still the best terran probably, sadly MVP is like the least cheesy player that exists, and also is like one of the best players in the world. He's like the Flash of SC2. I... dont know what to say to that... are you joking? The Flash of SC2? really? Apparently nobody has ever heard of hyperbole. Flash wins a lot, MVP is currently the most dominant player in SC2, I don't see how, with a little imagination, you can't make the connection. I still think Idra is going to beat both him and Nestea, but you people need to calm down. I agree, it's hyperbole. On the other hand, MVP is not the Flash of SC2. Also comparing prize-money between the two games doesn't make sense. i understand what you're implying, but on the other hand it still makes perfect sense. when success is measured in gold medals and prize money, they are easily comparable. i would also be bold enough to make the statement that MVP also has more fans than flash due to the fact that BW is dead where SC2 is booming. however, if flask does switch, its safe to say Flash would begin to take over again in every area. BW ain't dead man. In Korea, it is way bigger than western esports. Did you know that 700000 people watched boxers first GSL game live? Where has that audience gone? Back to BW. Sc2 is gonna got huge soon in Korea but not ATM.
i can tell you clearly dont look at the spectator numbers bc BW IS dead... one country with a relatively small population doesnt compare to an entire world watching SC2. (seriously, its not even remotely close)
another thing... Boxer getting 70k viewers in GSL.... where to start...
A: Boxer, not Flash
B:wasnt even a BW game....
C: where do you get the idea exactly that they went back to watching BW? you're just making shit up at this point.
i dont understand why people think Koreans actually make up a majority of overall viewers in SC2(comparing to the rest of the world), because they dont... not even close.
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On January 04 2012 01:44 MrDudeMan wrote:
Seriously, someone should start giving out warnings for off topic discussions. The number of them in this thread is ridiculous.
Lol you just did it yourself xD
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On January 03 2012 19:23 Sqorpion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 19:12 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 15:21 isleyofthenorth wrote:
MVP is an overrated cheesy terran. He's still the best terran probably, sadly MVP is like the least cheesy player that exists, and also is like one of the best players in the world. He's like the Flash of SC2. wait a minute, let me get this straight. I don't want to take anything away from Mvp, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut... You're in the IdrA fanclub, and you say Mvp is the least cheesy player? I lol'd, IdrA is by far the least cheesy player in the world. I dare even say on all ladders, I doubt there are many who are as straight up players as IdrA. Sorry, bro. And as I said, I don't wanna take anything away from Mvp, he's a fucking god, but the least cheesy player he is not.
I would say idra is a kind a cheesy player as he do "MacroCheese" and is often very greedy.
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On January 04 2012 01:53 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 00:25 Micket wrote:On January 04 2012 00:20 cavalier117 wrote:On January 03 2012 23:30 drlame wrote:On January 03 2012 19:57 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 19:42 LingBlingMuta wrote:On January 03 2012 19:12 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 15:21 isleyofthenorth wrote:
MVP is an overrated cheesy terran. He's still the best terran probably, sadly MVP is like the least cheesy player that exists, and also is like one of the best players in the world. He's like the Flash of SC2. I... dont know what to say to that... are you joking? The Flash of SC2? really? Apparently nobody has ever heard of hyperbole. Flash wins a lot, MVP is currently the most dominant player in SC2, I don't see how, with a little imagination, you can't make the connection. I still think Idra is going to beat both him and Nestea, but you people need to calm down. I agree, it's hyperbole. On the other hand, MVP is not the Flash of SC2. Also comparing prize-money between the two games doesn't make sense. i understand what you're implying, but on the other hand it still makes perfect sense. when success is measured in gold medals and prize money, they are easily comparable. i would also be bold enough to make the statement that MVP also has more fans than flash due to the fact that BW is dead where SC2 is booming. however, if flask does switch, its safe to say Flash would begin to take over again in every area. BW ain't dead man. In Korea, it is way bigger than western esports. Did you know that 700000 people watched boxers first GSL game live? Where has that audience gone? Back to BW. Sc2 is gonna got huge soon in Korea but not ATM. i can tell you clearly dont look at the spectator numbers bc BW IS dead... one country with a relatively small population doesnt compare to an entire world watching SC2. (seriously, its not even remotely close) another thing... Boxer getting 70k viewers in GSL.... where to start... A: Boxer, not Flash B:wasnt even a BW game.... C: where do you get the idea exactly that they went back to watching BW? you're just making shit up at this point. i dont understand why people think Koreans actually make up a majority of overall viewers in SC2(comparing to the rest of the world), because they dont... not even close.
Broodwar is far from dead. The last osl had more viewers than any of the sc2 tournament we have had.
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On January 04 2012 00:20 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 23:30 drlame wrote:On January 03 2012 19:57 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 19:42 LingBlingMuta wrote:On January 03 2012 19:12 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 15:21 isleyofthenorth wrote:
MVP is an overrated cheesy terran. He's still the best terran probably, sadly MVP is like the least cheesy player that exists, and also is like one of the best players in the world. He's like the Flash of SC2. I... dont know what to say to that... are you joking? The Flash of SC2? really? Apparently nobody has ever heard of hyperbole. Flash wins a lot, MVP is currently the most dominant player in SC2, I don't see how, with a little imagination, you can't make the connection. I still think Idra is going to beat both him and Nestea, but you people need to calm down. I agree, it's hyperbole. On the other hand, MVP is not the Flash of SC2. Also comparing prize-money between the two games doesn't make sense. i understand what you're implying, but on the other hand it still makes perfect sense. when success is measured in gold medals and prize money, they are easily comparable. i would also be bold enough to make the statement that MVP also has more fans than flash due to the fact that BW is dead where SC2 is booming. however, if flask does switch, its safe to say Flash would begin to take over again in every area.
As I said, comparing prizemoney between the games doesn't make any sense at all. You can't really compare medals either. Not all the best players in the world are in the GSL.
You're also being very, very bold with your statement that MVP has more fans than Flash. Considering BW still has a larger fanbase than SC2 has in korea (yes I'm pulling facts out of my ass exactly the same way you do).
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On January 04 2012 01:53 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 00:25 Micket wrote:On January 04 2012 00:20 cavalier117 wrote:On January 03 2012 23:30 drlame wrote:On January 03 2012 19:57 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 19:42 LingBlingMuta wrote:On January 03 2012 19:12 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 15:21 isleyofthenorth wrote:
MVP is an overrated cheesy terran. He's still the best terran probably, sadly MVP is like the least cheesy player that exists, and also is like one of the best players in the world. He's like the Flash of SC2. I... dont know what to say to that... are you joking? The Flash of SC2? really? Apparently nobody has ever heard of hyperbole. Flash wins a lot, MVP is currently the most dominant player in SC2, I don't see how, with a little imagination, you can't make the connection. I still think Idra is going to beat both him and Nestea, but you people need to calm down. I agree, it's hyperbole. On the other hand, MVP is not the Flash of SC2. Also comparing prize-money between the two games doesn't make sense. i understand what you're implying, but on the other hand it still makes perfect sense. when success is measured in gold medals and prize money, they are easily comparable. i would also be bold enough to make the statement that MVP also has more fans than flash due to the fact that BW is dead where SC2 is booming. however, if flask does switch, its safe to say Flash would begin to take over again in every area. BW ain't dead man. In Korea, it is way bigger than western esports. Did you know that 700000 people watched boxers first GSL game live? Where has that audience gone? Back to BW. Sc2 is gonna got huge soon in Korea but not ATM. i can tell you clearly dont look at the spectator numbers bc BW IS dead... one country with a relatively small population doesnt compare to an entire world watching SC2. (seriously, its not even remotely close) another thing... Boxer getting 70k viewers in GSL.... where to start... A: Boxer, not Flash B:wasnt even a BW game.... C: where do you get the idea exactly that they went back to watching BW? you're just making shit up at this point. i dont understand why people think Koreans actually make up a majority of overall viewers in SC2(comparing to the rest of the world), because they dont... not even close.
I wouldn't call 50 million "relatively small population". BW still has higher viewers numbers than SC2 and it still attracts more sponsorship money than SC2.
But anyway, that's irrelevant... The whole argument is ridiculous. As per usual, people are talking about different things. The skill level of SC2 is still not high enough for such comparissons (and it will take a while for this to change, even if SC2 starts attracting bigger audiences overnight) - but in terms of dominance Mvp's year is similar to what Flash has achieved throughout his career.
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On January 04 2012 02:42 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 01:53 cavalier117 wrote:On January 04 2012 00:25 Micket wrote:On January 04 2012 00:20 cavalier117 wrote:On January 03 2012 23:30 drlame wrote:On January 03 2012 19:57 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 19:42 LingBlingMuta wrote:On January 03 2012 19:12 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 15:21 isleyofthenorth wrote:
MVP is an overrated cheesy terran. He's still the best terran probably, sadly MVP is like the least cheesy player that exists, and also is like one of the best players in the world. He's like the Flash of SC2. I... dont know what to say to that... are you joking? The Flash of SC2? really? Apparently nobody has ever heard of hyperbole. Flash wins a lot, MVP is currently the most dominant player in SC2, I don't see how, with a little imagination, you can't make the connection. I still think Idra is going to beat both him and Nestea, but you people need to calm down. I agree, it's hyperbole. On the other hand, MVP is not the Flash of SC2. Also comparing prize-money between the two games doesn't make sense. i understand what you're implying, but on the other hand it still makes perfect sense. when success is measured in gold medals and prize money, they are easily comparable. i would also be bold enough to make the statement that MVP also has more fans than flash due to the fact that BW is dead where SC2 is booming. however, if flask does switch, its safe to say Flash would begin to take over again in every area. BW ain't dead man. In Korea, it is way bigger than western esports. Did you know that 700000 people watched boxers first GSL game live? Where has that audience gone? Back to BW. Sc2 is gonna got huge soon in Korea but not ATM. i can tell you clearly dont look at the spectator numbers bc BW IS dead... one country with a relatively small population doesnt compare to an entire world watching SC2. (seriously, its not even remotely close) another thing... Boxer getting 70k viewers in GSL.... where to start... A: Boxer, not Flash B:wasnt even a BW game.... C: where do you get the idea exactly that they went back to watching BW? you're just making shit up at this point. i dont understand why people think Koreans actually make up a majority of overall viewers in SC2(comparing to the rest of the world), because they dont... not even close. I wouldn't call 50 million "relatively small population". BW still has higher viewers numbers than SC2 and it still attracts more sponsorship money than SC2. But anyway, that's irrelevant... The whole argument is ridiculous. As per usual, people are talking about different things. The skill level of SC2 is still not high enough for such comparissons (and it will take a while for this to change, even if SC2 starts attracting bigger audiences overnight) - but in terms of dominance Mvp's year is similar to what Flash has achieved throughout his career.
I dunno, MVP flopped pretty hard at MLG, Haypro had him beat
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I dunno, MVP flopped pretty hard at MLG, Haypro had him beat
Let's not compare MVP to Flash since SC2 is still so new. But to say MVP flopped at MLG is pretty ridiculous consider he went through the open bracket and placed 4th. In comparison, Idra was seeded #1 way up in the bracket and placed 8th.
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Good old grack. Can't wait for him to play in gsl.
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On January 04 2012 01:53 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 00:25 Micket wrote:On January 04 2012 00:20 cavalier117 wrote:On January 03 2012 23:30 drlame wrote:On January 03 2012 19:57 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 19:42 LingBlingMuta wrote:On January 03 2012 19:12 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 15:21 isleyofthenorth wrote:
MVP is an overrated cheesy terran. He's still the best terran probably, sadly MVP is like the least cheesy player that exists, and also is like one of the best players in the world. He's like the Flash of SC2. I... dont know what to say to that... are you joking? The Flash of SC2? really? Apparently nobody has ever heard of hyperbole. Flash wins a lot, MVP is currently the most dominant player in SC2, I don't see how, with a little imagination, you can't make the connection. I still think Idra is going to beat both him and Nestea, but you people need to calm down. I agree, it's hyperbole. On the other hand, MVP is not the Flash of SC2. Also comparing prize-money between the two games doesn't make sense. i understand what you're implying, but on the other hand it still makes perfect sense. when success is measured in gold medals and prize money, they are easily comparable. i would also be bold enough to make the statement that MVP also has more fans than flash due to the fact that BW is dead where SC2 is booming. however, if flask does switch, its safe to say Flash would begin to take over again in every area. BW ain't dead man. In Korea, it is way bigger than western esports. Did you know that 700000 people watched boxers first GSL game live? Where has that audience gone? Back to BW. Sc2 is gonna got huge soon in Korea but not ATM. i can tell you clearly dont look at the spectator numbers bc BW IS dead... one country with a relatively small population doesnt compare to an entire world watching SC2. (seriously, its not even remotely close) another thing... Boxer getting 70k viewers in GSL.... where to start... A: Boxer, not Flash B:wasnt even a BW game.... C: where do you get the idea exactly that they went back to watching BW? you're just making shit up at this point. i dont understand why people think Koreans actually make up a majority of overall viewers in SC2(comparing to the rest of the world), because they dont... not even close.
Boxer got 700K, not 70k! That's 3 times higher than any live stream ever! Stuff like MLG, Dreamhack, IPL, NASL had less live viewers for their finals COMBINED. 700k people watched Boxer play sc2 live on the Korean gom stream. This is unparalleled in terms of numbers for any tournament and it was simply a Ro64 GSL game. Give me a plausible explanation of how this happened that isn't 'the Korean BW audience decided to watch sc2 for a change'. The pro league finals had millions watching. Until MLG has 2 million live viewers instead of 100k, then we can talk about sc2 being the bigger esport.
Source http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161872
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Guys please don't let Idra's fanclub turn into a BW vs SC2.. They are equally awesome in their own rights.
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On January 04 2012 03:18 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 01:53 cavalier117 wrote:On January 04 2012 00:25 Micket wrote:On January 04 2012 00:20 cavalier117 wrote:On January 03 2012 23:30 drlame wrote:On January 03 2012 19:57 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 19:42 LingBlingMuta wrote:On January 03 2012 19:12 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 15:21 isleyofthenorth wrote:
MVP is an overrated cheesy terran. He's still the best terran probably, sadly MVP is like the least cheesy player that exists, and also is like one of the best players in the world. He's like the Flash of SC2. I... dont know what to say to that... are you joking? The Flash of SC2? really? Apparently nobody has ever heard of hyperbole. Flash wins a lot, MVP is currently the most dominant player in SC2, I don't see how, with a little imagination, you can't make the connection. I still think Idra is going to beat both him and Nestea, but you people need to calm down. I agree, it's hyperbole. On the other hand, MVP is not the Flash of SC2. Also comparing prize-money between the two games doesn't make sense. i understand what you're implying, but on the other hand it still makes perfect sense. when success is measured in gold medals and prize money, they are easily comparable. i would also be bold enough to make the statement that MVP also has more fans than flash due to the fact that BW is dead where SC2 is booming. however, if flask does switch, its safe to say Flash would begin to take over again in every area. BW ain't dead man. In Korea, it is way bigger than western esports. Did you know that 700000 people watched boxers first GSL game live? Where has that audience gone? Back to BW. Sc2 is gonna got huge soon in Korea but not ATM. i can tell you clearly dont look at the spectator numbers bc BW IS dead... one country with a relatively small population doesnt compare to an entire world watching SC2. (seriously, its not even remotely close) another thing... Boxer getting 70k viewers in GSL.... where to start... A: Boxer, not Flash B:wasnt even a BW game.... C: where do you get the idea exactly that they went back to watching BW? you're just making shit up at this point. i dont understand why people think Koreans actually make up a majority of overall viewers in SC2(comparing to the rest of the world), because they dont... not even close. Boxer got 700K, not 70k! That's 3 times higher than any live stream ever! Stuff like MLG, Dreamhack, IPL, NASL had less live viewers for their finals COMBINED. 700k people watched Boxer play sc2 live on the Korean gom stream. This is unparalleled in terms of numbers for any tournament and it was simply a Ro64 GSL game. Give me a plausible explanation of how this happened that isn't 'the Korean BW audience decided to watch sc2 for a change'. The pro league finals had millions watching. Until MLG has 2 million live viewers instead of 100k, then we can talk about sc2 being the bigger esport. Source http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161872
um yea... about that.....MLG providence had 3.5million unique viewers,so what about which being a bigger esport? the actual numbers of the finals werent released, but considering its the marquee match... with 241k average online over 3 days. not just one single match
source: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-delivers-the-largest-season-in-esports-history
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On January 04 2012 04:08 StiX wrote:
Guys please don't let Idra's fanclub turn into a BW vs SC2.. They are equally awesome in their own rights.
Well both games are awesome, but saying SC2 is equal to BW is just incorrect. BW is much more dynamic/skillful/balanced game.
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On January 03 2012 19:23 Sqorpion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 19:12 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 15:21 isleyofthenorth wrote:
MVP is an overrated cheesy terran. He's still the best terran probably, sadly MVP is like the least cheesy player that exists, and also is like one of the best players in the world. He's like the Flash of SC2. wait a minute, let me get this straight. I don't want to take anything away from Mvp, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut... You're in the IdrA fanclub, and you say Mvp is the least cheesy player? I lol'd, IdrA is by far the least cheesy player in the world. I dare even say on all ladders, I doubt there are many who are as straight up players as IdrA. Sorry, bro. And as I said, I don't wanna take anything away from Mvp, he's a fucking god, but the least cheesy player he is not.
Greed or macro cheese is just as bad as 6 pooling. Idra is a cheeser he is just on the other side of the spectrum of cheesers.
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On January 04 2012 03:18 Micket wrote:
Boxer got 700K, not 70k! That's 3 times higher than any live stream ever!
I wouldn't bother if you hadn't said 'any live stream ever' but the Dota 2 International had more than one and a half million for the first game.
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He´s gonna be so good now that he's in Korea :D Awesoome
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On January 04 2012 04:32 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 19:23 Sqorpion wrote:On January 03 2012 19:12 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 15:21 isleyofthenorth wrote:
MVP is an overrated cheesy terran. He's still the best terran probably, sadly MVP is like the least cheesy player that exists, and also is like one of the best players in the world. He's like the Flash of SC2. wait a minute, let me get this straight. I don't want to take anything away from Mvp, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut... You're in the IdrA fanclub, and you say Mvp is the least cheesy player? I lol'd, IdrA is by far the least cheesy player in the world. I dare even say on all ladders, I doubt there are many who are as straight up players as IdrA. Sorry, bro. And as I said, I don't wanna take anything away from Mvp, he's a fucking god, but the least cheesy player he is not. Greed or macro cheese is just as bad as 6 pooling. Idra is a cheeser he is just on the other side of the spectrum of cheesers.
Wtf? Greedy macro isn't cheese
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He was not afraid to ban, brave brave brave sir Motbob.
He was not afraid to make fans cry, brave brave brave brave sir Motbob.
To ban them for outrageous claims.
Or to warn them because they can't behave.
For ruining his peaceful days.
Brave brave brave brave sir Motbob.
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People don't understand the term "cheese" lol. Macro cheese is an oxymoron. "Cheese" is not interchangeable with "risk."
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On January 04 2012 04:45 sAfuRos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 04:32 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On January 03 2012 19:23 Sqorpion wrote:On January 03 2012 19:12 Golbat wrote:On January 03 2012 15:21 isleyofthenorth wrote:
MVP is an overrated cheesy terran. He's still the best terran probably, sadly MVP is like the least cheesy player that exists, and also is like one of the best players in the world. He's like the Flash of SC2. wait a minute, let me get this straight. I don't want to take anything away from Mvp, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut... You're in the IdrA fanclub, and you say Mvp is the least cheesy player? I lol'd, IdrA is by far the least cheesy player in the world. I dare even say on all ladders, I doubt there are many who are as straight up players as IdrA. Sorry, bro. And as I said, I don't wanna take anything away from Mvp, he's a fucking god, but the least cheesy player he is not. Greed or macro cheese is just as bad as 6 pooling. Idra is a cheeser he is just on the other side of the spectrum of cheesers. Wtf? Greedy macro isn't cheese
Really? So taking three bases while teching is not as risky as blindly 6 pooling? Do you even watch idra play? Many of his loses are because he doesn't stop droning until tanks are at his doorstep seiging his natural. Macro cheese takes more skill to perform and is more beneficial but is just as risky.
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