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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
On December 12 2011 12:30 WolfintheSheep wrote: Otherwise, everyone knows one of the first signs of the apocalypse is the Gracken showing courtesy to random players. hohoohho IdrA's stream today was awesome, hope he does it more often in korea. I'd love to see some practice games vs some Slayers players but I can understand if that is asking too much D: | ||
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Hazuc
Canada471 Posts
By the way, who is he sitting between?^^ | ||
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epicdemic
Netherlands137 Posts
On December 12 2011 12:45 blade55555 wrote: But he's right, most koreans would rather do a lot of custom games especially when preparing for a tournament. Its been known that Stephano doesn't like customs because he might face them in a tournament (remember reading an interview of him saying this) so he uses only ladder as practice. A lot of koreans use their team and that is why in general koreans are a tier above foreigners is because they practice in a house and against each other a ton. They don't put that much into ladder like you seem to think. Look at makaprime he's #1 korean GM and what are his tournament results? His last time he played was in september where he lost to sjow in code A. Laddering doesn't show how good you are, but there are the exceptions. Whooo, I never said anything about what is the best way to practice. And I'm not at all going to argue about that because I have no idea. But the assumption the very best don't have a winrate higher than 50 on ladder is simply wrong. I'd rather see MVP as the exception. Nestea: 62% DRG: 75% Polt: 72% Curious: 68% MC: 66% | ||
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Thrax
Canada1755 Posts
http://www.own3d.tv/StartaleBomber#/watch/332889 It's right at the beginning. Enjoy! | ||
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Hazuc
Canada471 Posts
On December 12 2011 13:02 Thrax wrote: The VOD with IdrA's game against Bomber just showed up on own3d.tv: http://www.own3d.tv/StartaleBomber#/watch/332889 It's right at the beginning. Enjoy! Thank you!  | ||
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monXikk
Poland742 Posts
No hard feelings it seems. | ||
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cvt
United States192 Posts
On December 12 2011 13:02 Thrax wrote: The VOD with IdrA's game against Bomber just showed up on own3d.tv: http://www.own3d.tv/StartaleBomber#/watch/332889 It's right at the beginning. Enjoy! Thanks! Bomber dancing that marine and typing faces at the end.. why? | ||
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EsMuyVien
United States408 Posts
On December 12 2011 13:01 epicdemic wrote: Whooo, I never said anything about what is the best way to practice. And I'm not at all going to argue about that because I have no idea. But the assumption the very best don't have a winrate higher than 50 on ladder is simply wrong. I'd rather see MVP as the exception. Nestea: 62% DRG: 75% Polt: 72% Curious: 68% MC: 66% You're arguing against something I never even claimed. I merely said that a record near .500 does not indicate that a player is not doing well. I never said that great players don't have good ladder records. Learn to read - there's a difference. | ||
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epicdemic
Netherlands137 Posts
"but the very best don't try to just ladder to ladder." That statement is wrong. Out of the players you listed only MVP has a ladder record around 50%. Actually, most of the very best have a record significantly higher than that. You make it sound like it is a bad thing to have a high %, which it is not. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On December 12 2011 12:45 blade55555 wrote: But he's right, most koreans would rather do a lot of custom games especially when preparing for a tournament. Its been known that Stephano doesn't like customs because he might face them in a tournament (remember reading an interview of him saying this) so he uses only ladder as practice. A lot of koreans use their team and that is why in general koreans are a tier above foreigners is because they practice in a house and against each other a ton. They don't put that much into ladder like you seem to think. Look at makaprime he's #1 korean GM and what are his tournament results? His last time he played was in september where he lost to sjow in code A. Laddering doesn't show how good you are, but there are the exceptions. You underestimate how close it is at the top. MaKa might very well be as good if not better than MVP online but simply not have the mental strength to win offline events. | ||
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EsMuyVien
United States408 Posts
And I restate what I said before. Great players can have great records. Most of them do... but you're wrong if you think that great players actually spend time trying to top the ladder. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On December 12 2011 15:13 EsMuyVien wrote: No, I don't. I make it seem like having a record around .500 is NOT A BAD thing. And I restate what I said before. Great players can have great records. Most of them do... but you're wrong if you think that great players actually spend time trying to top the ladder. Considering Idra is used to using ladder as primary source of practice i would say he is not doing well. Whether his back on life tilt or just adjusting to korean environment im definitely not expecting any good results from idra for at least a bit. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 12 2011 15:17 Sfydjklm wrote: Considering Idra is used to using ladder as primary source of practice i would say he is not doing well. Whether his back on life tilt or just adjusting to korean environment im definitely not expecting any good results from idra for at least a bit. Did you know when Idra was in korea in beginning of sc2 he had a 50% win rate on ladder as well? But he did decent/good in all the GSL's he has played in. Him being at 50% doesn't matter you are looking to much into his ladder ranking. | ||
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epicdemic
Netherlands137 Posts
On December 12 2011 15:13 EsMuyVien wrote: No, I don't. I make it seem like having a record around .500 is NOT A BAD thing. And I restate what I said before. Great players can have great records. Most of them do... but you're wrong if you think that great players actually spend time trying to top the ladder. And you know this how? This is a really stupid assumption, especially with the Korean mindset regarding competition in mind. Koreans want to be the best, every player that is playing on ladder is trying their best. Also, part of being a great player means that you have to have motivation. If you don't have motivation (like LiquidTyler had some motivational issues for example) you simply will not be able to deliver quality results. | ||
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walklightwhat
Australia752 Posts
Let him adjust, do what he's there for (y'know, PRACTICE) and then see where he is at on the other side, rather than turning his ladder record into something worth creating drama and stupid arguments over. | ||
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EsMuyVien
United States408 Posts
On December 12 2011 15:40 epicdemic wrote: And you know this how? This is a really stupid assumption, especially with the Korean mindset regarding competition in mind. Koreans want to be the best, every player that is playing on ladder is trying their best. Also, part of being a great player means that you have to have motivation. If you don't have motivation (like LiquidTyler had some motivational issues for example) you simply will not be able to deliver quality results. Because the best players (including even Idra) wouldn't do something as arbitrary as play only to win online, ladder points? Playing to ladder and playing to get better are two different things, man (though you can get better by laddering). And by your rationale, having motivation would mean doing the most to become a better player - ie practicing in a more productive way than just beating fools on ladder. | ||
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On December 12 2011 16:04 EsMuyVien wrote: Because the best players (including even Idra) wouldn't do something as arbitrary as play only to win online, ladder points? Playing to ladder and playing to get better are two different things, man (though you can get better by laddering). And by your rationale, having motivation would mean doing the most to become a better player - ie practicing in a more productive way than just beating fools on ladder. He's doing both Ladder and Customs... so I don't see your point. | ||
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Sqorpion
Denmark384 Posts
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
=D Edit: Eating with HuK: http://www.twitch.tv/eghuk | ||
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