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On December 09 2011 14:02 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:59 Seldentar wrote:
How can you be a fan of IdrA when he acts so lame? He will never stop gg'ing early, he just left the game 2 times in a row against fOrGG before having lost. The first one was semi OKAY because it was very unlikely he could hold but the 2nd game he just gg'd when he saw 2 rax...
I used to be fan but now I lost respect :/
Call me a troll and BM me all you like but he'll never change Apparently you don't play zerg, or even have gold level knowledge of SC2. He went hatch first against proxy 11/11. It's a complete build order loss, there is no defending it. Also, bye.
Well if that were true you would never hatch first then as every terran would do that  . It is possible but I believe he went gas before pool in that last game.
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On December 09 2011 14:04 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:02 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 09 2011 13:59 Seldentar wrote:
How can you be a fan of IdrA when he acts so lame? He will never stop gg'ing early, he just left the game 2 times in a row against fOrGG before having lost. The first one was semi OKAY because it was very unlikely he could hold but the 2nd game he just gg'd when he saw 2 rax...
I used to be fan but now I lost respect :/
Call me a troll and BM me all you like but he'll never change Apparently you don't play zerg, or even have gold level knowledge of SC2. He went hatch first against proxy 11/11. It's a complete build order loss, there is no defending it. Also, bye. Well if that were true you would never hatch first then as every terran would do that . It is possible but I believe he went gas before pool in that last game.
It is true, do you even play sc2?
The reason terrans don't do it all the time is because on large maps, they will be far behind if the zerg gas pools and crushes their rush and they can't always know what the zerg is going to do before starting the proxy raxes. Welcome to the fun world of TvZ openings, where Z just tries to stay alive to mid-game.
I know you hate the word cheese, but that's exactly what he is doing.
Actually keeping the raxes at home and walling off with them, while doing a marine bunker pressure to force zergling is not, however.
Idra was dead that game, he had no units, no spines, no defense. Unless you think drones counter marines now or smthing.
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On December 09 2011 13:59 ThaZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:45 blooblooblahblah wrote:On December 09 2011 13:28 ThaZenith wrote:
Stop feeding the trolls, jeez. Not every zerg on the KR ladder is an IdrA smurf. It is Idra and it's been confirmed so many times. Interesting, although I've never seen it confirmed before. In that case, people should stop spazzing about IdrA losing on the ladder. ^^ (not necessarily aimed at this fanclub or any posts in it) Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:59 Seldentar wrote:
How can you be a fan of IdrA when he acts so lame? He will never stop gg'ing early, he just left the game 2 times in a row against fOrGG before having lost. The first one was semi OKAY because it was very unlikely he could hold but the 2nd game he just gg'd when he saw 2 rax...
I used to be fan but now I lost respect :/ How can you dis IdrA in the IdrA Fanclub thread and think you're being intelligent in the slightest?
Edit: Roommate got on my computer to troll apparently >.>
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On December 09 2011 14:09 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:04 blade55555 wrote:On December 09 2011 14:02 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 09 2011 13:59 Seldentar wrote:
How can you be a fan of IdrA when he acts so lame? He will never stop gg'ing early, he just left the game 2 times in a row against fOrGG before having lost. The first one was semi OKAY because it was very unlikely he could hold but the 2nd game he just gg'd when he saw 2 rax...
I used to be fan but now I lost respect :/
Call me a troll and BM me all you like but he'll never change Apparently you don't play zerg, or even have gold level knowledge of SC2. He went hatch first against proxy 11/11. It's a complete build order loss, there is no defending it. Also, bye. Well if that were true you would never hatch first then as every terran would do that . It is possible but I believe he went gas before pool in that last game. It is true, do you even play sc2? The reason terrans don't do it all the time is because on large maps, they will be far behind if the zerg gas pools and crushes their rush and they can't always know what the zerg is going to do before starting the proxy raxes. Welcome to the fun world of TvZ openings, where Z just tries to stay alive to mid-game. I know you hate the word cheese, but that's exactly what he is doing. Actually keeping the raxes at home and walling off with them, while doing a marine bunker pressure to force zergling is not, however. Idra was dead that game, he had no units, no spines, no defense. Unless you think drones counter marines now or smthing.
I know its cheese but I have seen zergs hold it.... Yes I play starcraft 2 rofl so because I disagree with you I don't play sc2?
If you do 14 hatch, 13 pool, or 15 hatch, 14 pool you can hold. Hell july did it in the GSL vs a terran (can't remember who) but he made a later pool at like 16 or 17 and held but was super behind but if he hadn't gotten his pool so late (he literally did 15 hatch, 16 gas, 16 pool) he would have held it a lot easier then he did and with not as many drone losses. So it is possible it is not guaranteed loss but it is really hard to hold off.
Shouldn't need to insult someone because of a differing opinion. I was grandmaster on NA, and am mid-high masters on the korean server fyi.
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Well his record was a lot worse with puma like 30-5 or something first day when he showed up at the eg house then it kinda evened out. Shame I really feel he needs a top level zerg to work with on eg coca also would have helped. I really question the management of EG sometimes. GL Learn to hold those two builds idra cezanne showed its very possible.
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On December 09 2011 14:23 TheTrigun wrote:
Well his record was a lot worse with puma like 30-5 or something first day when he showed up at the eg house then it kinda evened out. Shame I really feel he needs a top level zerg to work with on eg coca also would have helped. I really question the management of EG sometimes. GL Learn to hold those two builds idra cezanne showed its very possible.
Well,Cezanne knows the forGG style much better than Idra.That build that forGG did is very tight and need good execution to pull it off.
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a serious question:
if IdrA keep leaving against 11/11 rax like forGG did,how he can improve himself? because IdrA's biggest weakness is agressive plays like 11/11.
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On December 09 2011 14:25 MuK_x wrote:
a serious question:
if IdrA keep leaving against 11/11 rax like forGG did,how he can improve himself? because IdrA's biggest weakness is agressive plays like 11/11.
Yeah I was thinking the same. He can't just leave to every "bullshit" build he runs into on the korean ladder. He really needs to see these games as opportunities to practise something he is bad at. Early game aggression has always been his weakness, why not take the chance to play against it now?
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On December 09 2011 14:25 MuK_x wrote:
a serious question:
if IdrA keep leaving against 11/11 rax like forGG did,how he can improve himself? because IdrA's biggest weakness is agressive plays like 11/11.
Well he does now have plenty of terran practice partners to go against...
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On December 09 2011 14:25 MuK_x wrote:
a serious question:
if IdrA keep leaving against 11/11 rax like forGG did,how he can improve himself? because IdrA's biggest weakness is agressive plays like 11/11.
If he is laddering, it is likely to kill time, see trends, and to get general practice. If someone cheeses him, he doesn't really gain anything.
And IdrA doesn't have as much trouble vs 11/11 rax and super early cheeses as much as people think. The 1-2 base all-ins that are hard to scout are usually the stuff that gets him.
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On December 09 2011 14:36 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:25 MuK_x wrote:
a serious question:
if IdrA keep leaving against 11/11 rax like forGG did,how he can improve himself? because IdrA's biggest weakness is agressive plays like 11/11. If he is laddering, it is likely to kill time, see trends, and to get general practice. If someone cheeses him, he doesn't really gain anything.
Well what did he gain by leaving the game? The knowledge that terrans can still proxy rax and he can still leave against cheeses? That's great use of his time indeed.
Going up to 20 supply only to leave the game doesn't give him any practice, any new knowledge, nothing.
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On December 09 2011 14:14 blade55555 wrote:
lol its cool that after like 3600 posts that guy still doesn't know who you are and actually asked if you played sc2 ahahahah
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On December 09 2011 14:40 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:36 Whole wrote:On December 09 2011 14:25 MuK_x wrote:
a serious question:
if IdrA keep leaving against 11/11 rax like forGG did,how he can improve himself? because IdrA's biggest weakness is agressive plays like 11/11. If he is laddering, it is likely to kill time, see trends, and to get general practice. If someone cheeses him, he doesn't really gain anything. Well what did he gain by leaving the game? The knowledge that terrans can still proxy rax and he can still leave against cheeses? That's great use of his time indeed. Going up to 20 supply only to leave the game doesn't give him any practice, any new knowledge, nothing.
not saying i agree with IdrA's decisions
but he would say that he is not wasting time playing out a game where he is inevitably going to lose. better to leave and save the 20 minutes that he would have to played just to lose and move on to the next game and a fresh start than waste practice time.
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On December 09 2011 14:09 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:04 blade55555 wrote:On December 09 2011 14:02 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 09 2011 13:59 Seldentar wrote:
How can you be a fan of IdrA when he acts so lame? He will never stop gg'ing early, he just left the game 2 times in a row against fOrGG before having lost. The first one was semi OKAY because it was very unlikely he could hold but the 2nd game he just gg'd when he saw 2 rax...
I used to be fan but now I lost respect :/
Call me a troll and BM me all you like but he'll never change Apparently you don't play zerg, or even have gold level knowledge of SC2. He went hatch first against proxy 11/11. It's a complete build order loss, there is no defending it. Also, bye. Well if that were true you would never hatch first then as every terran would do that . It is possible but I believe he went gas before pool in that last game.
It is true, do you even play sc2?The reason terrans don't do it all the time is because on large maps, they will be far behind if the zerg gas pools and crushes their rush and they can't always know what the zerg is going to do before starting the proxy raxes. Welcome to the fun world of TvZ openings, where Z just tries to stay alive to mid-game. I know you hate the word cheese, but that's exactly what he is doing. Actually keeping the raxes at home and walling off with them, while doing a marine bunker pressure to force zergling is not, however. Idra was dead that game, he had no units, no spines, no defense. Unless you think drones counter marines now or smthing.
You're fucking kidding me, right? Sorry blade -_-;;
Apparently, fOrGG rolled IdrA pretty handily tonight, 5-0. Anybody know what happened? I heard they were different All Ins. (sigh)
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On December 09 2011 15:31 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:09 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 09 2011 14:04 blade55555 wrote:On December 09 2011 14:02 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 09 2011 13:59 Seldentar wrote:
How can you be a fan of IdrA when he acts so lame? He will never stop gg'ing early, he just left the game 2 times in a row against fOrGG before having lost. The first one was semi OKAY because it was very unlikely he could hold but the 2nd game he just gg'd when he saw 2 rax...
I used to be fan but now I lost respect :/
Call me a troll and BM me all you like but he'll never change Apparently you don't play zerg, or even have gold level knowledge of SC2. He went hatch first against proxy 11/11. It's a complete build order loss, there is no defending it. Also, bye. Well if that were true you would never hatch first then as every terran would do that . It is possible but I believe he went gas before pool in that last game.
It is true, do you even play sc2?The reason terrans don't do it all the time is because on large maps, they will be far behind if the zerg gas pools and crushes their rush and they can't always know what the zerg is going to do before starting the proxy raxes. Welcome to the fun world of TvZ openings, where Z just tries to stay alive to mid-game. I know you hate the word cheese, but that's exactly what he is doing. Actually keeping the raxes at home and walling off with them, while doing a marine bunker pressure to force zergling is not, however. Idra was dead that game, he had no units, no spines, no defense. Unless you think drones counter marines now or smthing. You're fucking kidding me, right? Sorry blade -_-;; Apparently, fOrGG rolled IdrA pretty handily tonight, 5-0. Anybody know what happened? I heard they were different All Ins. (sigh)
I'm not sure which ones were idra, he played some zergs from ogs a couple times.
But his builds were really just plain awesome. Most seemed to be early cloaked banshees into hellion/hellion drops into thor/scv pushes. While expanding and stuff.
Was fun to watch.
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On December 09 2011 15:31 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:09 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 09 2011 14:04 blade55555 wrote:On December 09 2011 14:02 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 09 2011 13:59 Seldentar wrote:
How can you be a fan of IdrA when he acts so lame? He will never stop gg'ing early, he just left the game 2 times in a row against fOrGG before having lost. The first one was semi OKAY because it was very unlikely he could hold but the 2nd game he just gg'd when he saw 2 rax...
I used to be fan but now I lost respect :/
Call me a troll and BM me all you like but he'll never change Apparently you don't play zerg, or even have gold level knowledge of SC2. He went hatch first against proxy 11/11. It's a complete build order loss, there is no defending it. Also, bye. Well if that were true you would never hatch first then as every terran would do that . It is possible but I believe he went gas before pool in that last game.
It is true, do you even play sc2?The reason terrans don't do it all the time is because on large maps, they will be far behind if the zerg gas pools and crushes their rush and they can't always know what the zerg is going to do before starting the proxy raxes. Welcome to the fun world of TvZ openings, where Z just tries to stay alive to mid-game. I know you hate the word cheese, but that's exactly what he is doing. Actually keeping the raxes at home and walling off with them, while doing a marine bunker pressure to force zergling is not, however. Idra was dead that game, he had no units, no spines, no defense. Unless you think drones counter marines now or smthing. You're fucking kidding me, right? Sorry blade -_-;; Apparently, fOrGG rolled IdrA pretty handily tonight, 5-0. Anybody know what happened? I heard they were different All Ins. (sigh)
Well from what I saw and read he did the same 2-3 all ins tvz all day that I saw today and the 3 vs idra.
proxy 2 rax on shattered 2 times, idra stayed for a little bit on the first one, quit instant on the second one (I believe he gas before pool though when I saw the scan could be wrong), cloaked banshee beat him once, cloaked banshee thor/hellion push beat him and I don't know the other.
But forgg in general did those same 3 builds everytime I watched him play xD.
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forgg is crazy good, this is only the beginning
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Leaving the game early save him practice time which he can use to find the secret of the Zerg race.
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