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Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
September 04 2011 19:02 GMT
#21701
This is how I feel about IdrA right now:
He is playing in these small tourneys to gauge his current skill level, and also to see how other foreigners are playing. I'm not suprised he forfeited after losing his first game to Nerchio (Nerchio's ZvZ is rediculous), because 1. He realized that he was probably not going to advance and 2. after playing that long he was probably tired as hell. People who say he has given up are deluding themselves. Have you even SEEN the effort he is putting into this game right now? 8 hours of practice a DAY, and when people are saying that he has given up when he rage quits or gets frustrated, that is just bullshit. When he gets frustrated, its because he cares about Starcraft. You don't get frustrated over something you don't care about. I feel that when he goes to Korea, is surrounded by the best in the world, and is putting in the effort he is putting in now, something is gonna happen.

My 2 cents.
"HotBid [11:45 AM]: i dunno i kinda like the big muta shooting smaller mutas out"
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
September 04 2011 19:04 GMT
#21702
He was never considered a particularly talented BW player, but persistence and hard work were his defining attributes as a player. Life in Korean BW pro houses wasn't pleasant for B teamers at all (sc2 houses can't even compare), so he outlasted any other foreigner to give Korean BW a try - that was an accomplishment on its own, and it allowed him to dominate (mostly amateur) foreign scene for a year or so.

Sadly over time his weaknesses and bad habits amplified and his strengths slowly went downhill once he got out of the pro house training environment. He had a good shot at joining on any Korean SC2 team after parting with CJ, but that one time he chose the easy route instead. Now he's down to being little more than EG's mascot and marketing tool.
Radook
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden326 Posts
September 04 2011 19:12 GMT
#21703
He had to forfeit since they where going out to party with some ladies!
Woop Woop!
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
September 04 2011 19:15 GMT
#21704
On September 05 2011 04:12 Radook wrote:
He had to forfeit since they where going out to party with some ladies!

Good, finally a light hearted comment. Everyone makes it seem like he has completely given up on pro gaming >.>
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
September 04 2011 19:19 GMT
#21705
On September 05 2011 04:04 Talin wrote:
He was never considered a particularly talented BW player, but persistence and hard work were his defining attributes as a player. Life in Korean BW pro houses wasn't pleasant for B teamers at all (sc2 houses can't even compare), so he outlasted any other foreigner to give Korean BW a try - that was an accomplishment on its own, and it allowed him to dominate (mostly amateur) foreign scene for a year or so.

Sadly over time his weaknesses and bad habits amplified and his strengths slowly went downhill once he got out of the pro house training environment. He had a good shot at joining on any Korean SC2 team after parting with CJ, but that one time he chose the easy route instead. Now he's down to being little more than EG's mascot and marketing tool.


He doesn't find SC2 fun apparently, he acts pretty much like people on the BW community forum do

If this is the case, he should just stream a lot and save up. He could make hundred of thousands with streaming + EG pay for a while and go to any university he wants.

Depends on if he wants to go back to serious korean practice or not later in the year
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
September 04 2011 20:04 GMT
#21706
I am fairly certain Idra is enjoying what he does. If he wanted a job where he would be payed a large sum of money even he did not enjoy, he would not be in esports. Being a professional in esports is the definition of self sacrifice and doing something you love and not for money. Someone with Idra's intelligence and diligence could easily make copious amounts of money elsewhere but he has stuck to gaming, because that is all he cares about (as well as his cat and machine).

He might find sc2 frustrating and non rewarding, but he had the same trouble as Terran in bw. Terran in bw was so slow, non versatile and vulnerable, you couldn't really do anything that might result in a free win. Terran had the worst cheese ( they did not have a build such as proxy gate or hydra bust), and were forced to defend early game with the thinnest of margins, relying purely on scan to scout everything. T required the most apm and was the most difficult army to manage. Part of Idra's hatred of Protoss in both bw and sc2 is that like it or not, they are the a-move race. Thtey require the least apm in both games and have powerful late game armies that have a very strong backbone. Regardless of Protoss imba or ba, whenever they win a game through death ball or forcefields, they will always look imba, because the Protoss didn't exactly so anything special.
LiGhtoftheSwaRm
Profile Joined September 2010
United States39 Posts
September 04 2011 20:09 GMT
#21707
On September 05 2011 05:04 Micket wrote:
He might find sc2 frustrating and non rewarding, but he had the same trouble as Terran in bw. Terran in bw was so slow, non versatile and vulnerable, you couldn't really do anything that might result in a free win. Terran had the worst cheese ( they did not have a build such as proxy gate or hydra bust), and were forced to defend early game with the thinnest of margins, relying purely on scan to scout everything. T required the most apm and was the most difficult army to manage. Part of Idra's hatred of Protoss in both bw and sc2 is that like it or not, they are the a-move race. Thtey require the least apm in both games and have powerful late game armies that have a very strong backbone. Regardless of Protoss imba or ba, whenever they win a game through death ball or forcefields, they will always look imba, because the Protoss didn't exactly so anything special.


Thank you. Thank you for proving I am not the only one who assesses IdrA in this way.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
September 04 2011 20:15 GMT
#21708
Now we stop talking like this, and keep going as usual, shall we?

The next tourny he's playing in is Valencia, correct?
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 20:22:04
September 04 2011 20:19 GMT
#21709
On September 05 2011 04:19 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 04:04 Talin wrote:
He was never considered a particularly talented BW player, but persistence and hard work were his defining attributes as a player. Life in Korean BW pro houses wasn't pleasant for B teamers at all (sc2 houses can't even compare), so he outlasted any other foreigner to give Korean BW a try - that was an accomplishment on its own, and it allowed him to dominate (mostly amateur) foreign scene for a year or so.

Sadly over time his weaknesses and bad habits amplified and his strengths slowly went downhill once he got out of the pro house training environment. He had a good shot at joining on any Korean SC2 team after parting with CJ, but that one time he chose the easy route instead. Now he's down to being little more than EG's mascot and marketing tool.


He doesn't find SC2 fun apparently, he acts pretty much like people on the BW community forum do

If this is the case, he should just stream a lot and save up. He could make hundred of thousands with streaming + EG pay for a while and go to any university he wants.

Depends on if he wants to go back to serious korean practice or not later in the year



Explain how you have any knowledge pertaining to what universities he can/ cannot get into. Also please explain where you got the ridiculous number of "hundreds of thousands" off streaming.


On September 05 2011 05:04 Micket wrote:
I am fairly certain Idra is enjoying what he does. If he wanted a job where he would be payed a large sum of money even he did not enjoy, he would not be in esports. Being a professional in esports is the definition of self sacrifice and doing something you love and not for money. Someone with Idra's intelligence and diligence could easily make copious amounts of money elsewhere but he has stuck to gaming, because that is all he cares about (as well as his cat and machine).

He might find sc2 frustrating and non rewarding, but he had the same trouble as Terran in bw. Terran in bw was so slow, non versatile and vulnerable, you couldn't really do anything that might result in a free win. Terran had the worst cheese ( they did not have a build such as proxy gate or hydra bust), and were forced to defend early game with the thinnest of margins, relying purely on scan to scout everything. T required the most apm and was the most difficult army to manage. Part of Idra's hatred of Protoss in both bw and sc2 is that like it or not, they are the a-move race. Thtey require the least apm in both games and have powerful late game armies that have a very strong backbone. Regardless of Protoss imba or ba, whenever they win a game through death ball or forcefields, they will always look imba, because the Protoss didn't exactly so anything special.


What about having to have perfect forcefields, good storms? Keeping your zealots in front to tank? Blink micro? Hardly an "A move" race.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 20:25:45
September 04 2011 20:24 GMT
#21710
IdrA graduated high school right before he moved to Korea to live in the eSTRO house. He made an agreement with his college that he can come back and attend the school if progaming does not work out. IdrA is a smart guy, so he has a backup plan at least.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
September 04 2011 20:32 GMT
#21711
On September 05 2011 05:19 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 04:19 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On September 05 2011 04:04 Talin wrote:
He was never considered a particularly talented BW player, but persistence and hard work were his defining attributes as a player. Life in Korean BW pro houses wasn't pleasant for B teamers at all (sc2 houses can't even compare), so he outlasted any other foreigner to give Korean BW a try - that was an accomplishment on its own, and it allowed him to dominate (mostly amateur) foreign scene for a year or so.

Sadly over time his weaknesses and bad habits amplified and his strengths slowly went downhill once he got out of the pro house training environment. He had a good shot at joining on any Korean SC2 team after parting with CJ, but that one time he chose the easy route instead. Now he's down to being little more than EG's mascot and marketing tool.


He doesn't find SC2 fun apparently, he acts pretty much like people on the BW community forum do

If this is the case, he should just stream a lot and save up. He could make hundred of thousands with streaming + EG pay for a while and go to any university he wants.

Depends on if he wants to go back to serious korean practice or not later in the year



Explain how you have any knowledge pertaining to what universities he can/ cannot get into. Also please explain where you got the ridiculous number of "hundreds of thousands" off streaming.


Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 05:04 Micket wrote:
I am fairly certain Idra is enjoying what he does. If he wanted a job where he would be payed a large sum of money even he did not enjoy, he would not be in esports. Being a professional in esports is the definition of self sacrifice and doing something you love and not for money. Someone with Idra's intelligence and diligence could easily make copious amounts of money elsewhere but he has stuck to gaming, because that is all he cares about (as well as his cat and machine).

He might find sc2 frustrating and non rewarding, but he had the same trouble as Terran in bw. Terran in bw was so slow, non versatile and vulnerable, you couldn't really do anything that might result in a free win. Terran had the worst cheese ( they did not have a build such as proxy gate or hydra bust), and were forced to defend early game with the thinnest of margins, relying purely on scan to scout everything. T required the most apm and was the most difficult army to manage. Part of Idra's hatred of Protoss in both bw and sc2 is that like it or not, they are the a-move race. Thtey require the least apm in both games and have powerful late game armies that have a very strong backbone. Regardless of Protoss imba or ba, whenever they win a game through death ball or forcefields, they will always look imba, because the Protoss didn't exactly so anything special.


What about having to have perfect forcefields, good storms? Keeping your zealots in front to tank? Blink micro? Hardly an "A move" race.

I think we've heard eneough from you, k? Please f*** off

User was temp banned for this post.
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Facedriller
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden275 Posts
September 04 2011 20:37 GMT
#21712
On September 05 2011 05:32 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 05:19 Apollo_Shards wrote:
On September 05 2011 04:19 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On September 05 2011 04:04 Talin wrote:
He was never considered a particularly talented BW player, but persistence and hard work were his defining attributes as a player. Life in Korean BW pro houses wasn't pleasant for B teamers at all (sc2 houses can't even compare), so he outlasted any other foreigner to give Korean BW a try - that was an accomplishment on its own, and it allowed him to dominate (mostly amateur) foreign scene for a year or so.

Sadly over time his weaknesses and bad habits amplified and his strengths slowly went downhill once he got out of the pro house training environment. He had a good shot at joining on any Korean SC2 team after parting with CJ, but that one time he chose the easy route instead. Now he's down to being little more than EG's mascot and marketing tool.


He doesn't find SC2 fun apparently, he acts pretty much like people on the BW community forum do

If this is the case, he should just stream a lot and save up. He could make hundred of thousands with streaming + EG pay for a while and go to any university he wants.

Depends on if he wants to go back to serious korean practice or not later in the year



Explain how you have any knowledge pertaining to what universities he can/ cannot get into. Also please explain where you got the ridiculous number of "hundreds of thousands" off streaming.


On September 05 2011 05:04 Micket wrote:
I am fairly certain Idra is enjoying what he does. If he wanted a job where he would be payed a large sum of money even he did not enjoy, he would not be in esports. Being a professional in esports is the definition of self sacrifice and doing something you love and not for money. Someone with Idra's intelligence and diligence could easily make copious amounts of money elsewhere but he has stuck to gaming, because that is all he cares about (as well as his cat and machine).

He might find sc2 frustrating and non rewarding, but he had the same trouble as Terran in bw. Terran in bw was so slow, non versatile and vulnerable, you couldn't really do anything that might result in a free win. Terran had the worst cheese ( they did not have a build such as proxy gate or hydra bust), and were forced to defend early game with the thinnest of margins, relying purely on scan to scout everything. T required the most apm and was the most difficult army to manage. Part of Idra's hatred of Protoss in both bw and sc2 is that like it or not, they are the a-move race. Thtey require the least apm in both games and have powerful late game armies that have a very strong backbone. Regardless of Protoss imba or ba, whenever they win a game through death ball or forcefields, they will always look imba, because the Protoss didn't exactly so anything special.


What about having to have perfect forcefields, good storms? Keeping your zealots in front to tank? Blink micro? Hardly an "A move" race.

I think we've heard eneough from you, k? Please f*** off


Yeah, indeed.
A Marine walks into a bar and says: "Where's the counter?"
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
September 04 2011 20:37 GMT
#21713
On September 05 2011 05:19 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 04:19 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On September 05 2011 04:04 Talin wrote:
He was never considered a particularly talented BW player, but persistence and hard work were his defining attributes as a player. Life in Korean BW pro houses wasn't pleasant for B teamers at all (sc2 houses can't even compare), so he outlasted any other foreigner to give Korean BW a try - that was an accomplishment on its own, and it allowed him to dominate (mostly amateur) foreign scene for a year or so.

Sadly over time his weaknesses and bad habits amplified and his strengths slowly went downhill once he got out of the pro house training environment. He had a good shot at joining on any Korean SC2 team after parting with CJ, but that one time he chose the easy route instead. Now he's down to being little more than EG's mascot and marketing tool.


He doesn't find SC2 fun apparently, he acts pretty much like people on the BW community forum do

If this is the case, he should just stream a lot and save up. He could make hundred of thousands with streaming + EG pay for a while and go to any university he wants.

Depends on if he wants to go back to serious korean practice or not later in the year



Explain how you have any knowledge pertaining to what universities he can/ cannot get into. Also please explain where you got the ridiculous number of "hundreds of thousands" off streaming.


Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 05:04 Micket wrote:
I am fairly certain Idra is enjoying what he does. If he wanted a job where he would be payed a large sum of money even he did not enjoy, he would not be in esports. Being a professional in esports is the definition of self sacrifice and doing something you love and not for money. Someone with Idra's intelligence and diligence could easily make copious amounts of money elsewhere but he has stuck to gaming, because that is all he cares about (as well as his cat and machine).

He might find sc2 frustrating and non rewarding, but he had the same trouble as Terran in bw. Terran in bw was so slow, non versatile and vulnerable, you couldn't really do anything that might result in a free win. Terran had the worst cheese ( they did not have a build such as proxy gate or hydra bust), and were forced to defend early game with the thinnest of margins, relying purely on scan to scout everything. T required the most apm and was the most difficult army to manage. Part of Idra's hatred of Protoss in both bw and sc2 is that like it or not, they are the a-move race. Thtey require the least apm in both games and have powerful late game armies that have a very strong backbone. Regardless of Protoss imba or ba, whenever they win a game through death ball or forcefields, they will always look imba, because the Protoss didn't exactly so anything special.


What about having to have perfect forcefields, good storms? Keeping your zealots in front to tank? Blink micro? Hardly an "A move" race.

Idra got into a good uni to study theoretical physics, he is a bright chum.

And my 'a move race' was more talking about where if Z or T had a completely wrong composition vs Protoss, P could literally a move his ball across the map and win regardless of how many bases the opponent is on. Yes, it's not imba because T and Z have to mess up to lose to such a strategy, but it makes Protoss seem awfully strong. You can't say Cruncher was very skillful when his laser toss a moved across the map.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
September 04 2011 20:45 GMT
#21714
University might be a back-up plan, but just because you can pass the entrance tests doesn't mean you're already finished or that you will. It's a long period of no work and insecurity, I can see why he prefers pro-gaming.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
September 04 2011 21:02 GMT
#21715
On September 05 2011 05:32 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 05:19 Apollo_Shards wrote:
On September 05 2011 04:19 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On September 05 2011 04:04 Talin wrote:
He was never considered a particularly talented BW player, but persistence and hard work were his defining attributes as a player. Life in Korean BW pro houses wasn't pleasant for B teamers at all (sc2 houses can't even compare), so he outlasted any other foreigner to give Korean BW a try - that was an accomplishment on its own, and it allowed him to dominate (mostly amateur) foreign scene for a year or so.

Sadly over time his weaknesses and bad habits amplified and his strengths slowly went downhill once he got out of the pro house training environment. He had a good shot at joining on any Korean SC2 team after parting with CJ, but that one time he chose the easy route instead. Now he's down to being little more than EG's mascot and marketing tool.


He doesn't find SC2 fun apparently, he acts pretty much like people on the BW community forum do

If this is the case, he should just stream a lot and save up. He could make hundred of thousands with streaming + EG pay for a while and go to any university he wants.

Depends on if he wants to go back to serious korean practice or not later in the year



Explain how you have any knowledge pertaining to what universities he can/ cannot get into. Also please explain where you got the ridiculous number of "hundreds of thousands" off streaming.


On September 05 2011 05:04 Micket wrote:
I am fairly certain Idra is enjoying what he does. If he wanted a job where he would be payed a large sum of money even he did not enjoy, he would not be in esports. Being a professional in esports is the definition of self sacrifice and doing something you love and not for money. Someone with Idra's intelligence and diligence could easily make copious amounts of money elsewhere but he has stuck to gaming, because that is all he cares about (as well as his cat and machine).

He might find sc2 frustrating and non rewarding, but he had the same trouble as Terran in bw. Terran in bw was so slow, non versatile and vulnerable, you couldn't really do anything that might result in a free win. Terran had the worst cheese ( they did not have a build such as proxy gate or hydra bust), and were forced to defend early game with the thinnest of margins, relying purely on scan to scout everything. T required the most apm and was the most difficult army to manage. Part of Idra's hatred of Protoss in both bw and sc2 is that like it or not, they are the a-move race. Thtey require the least apm in both games and have powerful late game armies that have a very strong backbone. Regardless of Protoss imba or ba, whenever they win a game through death ball or forcefields, they will always look imba, because the Protoss didn't exactly so anything special.


What about having to have perfect forcefields, good storms? Keeping your zealots in front to tank? Blink micro? Hardly an "A move" race.

I think we've heard eneough from you, k? Please f*** off

User was temp banned for this post.

Finally, I was so tired of that guy acting like he owns this fanclub.

As for Idras recent performance dip, I think its because he has discovered there is more to life than Starcraft. Its obvious just by looking at the guy and how he has changed in the last year or so.

He needs to get some of that passion back if he wants to become a top foreigner again. Going back to Korea signifies to me that he is willing to fight for it, but the competition is heating up, so it won't get any easier.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
September 04 2011 21:04 GMT
#21716
i cant believe theres so many trolls in here and people just hating on him.
Im sorry but Jinro or ret lost earlier in a tournament then they should have and people went into their fanclubs saying how bad he is and calling him names and whatever, they'd get bans or at least warnings -_-

cant wait for next SOTG/ITG im sure geoff will use it to rag on idra

still, what he did was not cool at all -_-
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 21:42:13
September 04 2011 21:35 GMT
#21717
On September 05 2011 04:02 Antimatterz wrote:
This is how I feel about IdrA right now:
He is playing in these small tourneys to gauge his current skill level, and also to see how other foreigners are playing. I'm not suprised he forfeited after losing his first game to Nerchio (Nerchio's ZvZ is rediculous), because 1. He realized that he was probably not going to advance and 2. after playing that long he was probably tired as hell. People who say he has given up are deluding themselves. Have you even SEEN the effort he is putting into this game right now? 8 hours of practice a DAY, and when people are saying that he has given up when he rage quits or gets frustrated, that is just bullshit. When he gets frustrated, its because he cares about Starcraft. You don't get frustrated over something you don't care about. I feel that when he goes to Korea, is surrounded by the best in the world, and is putting in the effort he is putting in now, something is gonna happen.

My 2 cents.


This should get some light. As I feel it's correct. He went into the tournament to gauge his skill. Koreans show up might as well gauge it against some Code B Koreans as well.

Nerchio has the best ZvZ outside Korea, I'm sure Idra knows that. He played the first game to gauge his chances, get an idea of where his ZvZ is. He got destroyed.

What do you do to beat someone who's vastly superior than you? You Cheese.

Doesn't look good if the guy who is adamantly against cheese, cheeses a whole series. I'm not justifying it, or his mindset I'm just saying I can follow the logic especially of someone so commited against cheese, to become that what he hates most. Maybe he could of attempted to play out a legit series but Idra plays to win every game and the best chance to win in that situation must of been to cheese.

Maybe I have it wrong but like the guy above said, my 2 cents.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 22:24:45
September 04 2011 21:48 GMT
#21718
On September 05 2011 06:35 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 04:02 Antimatterz wrote:
This is how I feel about IdrA right now:
He is playing in these small tourneys to gauge his current skill level, and also to see how other foreigners are playing. I'm not suprised he forfeited after losing his first game to Nerchio (Nerchio's ZvZ is rediculous), because 1. He realized that he was probably not going to advance and 2. after playing that long he was probably tired as hell. People who say he has given up are deluding themselves. Have you even SEEN the effort he is putting into this game right now? 8 hours of practice a DAY, and when people are saying that he has given up when he rage quits or gets frustrated, that is just bullshit. When he gets frustrated, its because he cares about Starcraft. You don't get frustrated over something you don't care about. I feel that when he goes to Korea, is surrounded by the best in the world, and is putting in the effort he is putting in now, something is gonna happen.

My 2 cents.


This should get some light. As I feel it's correct. He went into the tournament to gauge his skill. Koreans show up might as well gauge it against some Code B Koreans as well.

Nerchio has the best ZvZ outside Korea, I'm sure Idra knows that. He played the first game to gauge his chances, get an idea of where his ZvZ is. He got destroyed.

What do you do to beat someone who's vastly superior than you? You Cheese.

Doesn't look good if the guy who is adamantly against cheese, cheeses a whole series. I'm not justifying it, or his mindset I'm just saying I can follow the logic especially of someone so commited against cheese, to become that what he hates most. Maybe he could of attempted to play out a legit series but Idra plays to win every game and the best chance to win in that situation must of been to cheese.

Maybe I have it wrong but like the guy above said, my 2 cents.

Idra lost a seven minute ZvZ. That does not classify as 'getting destroyed', much less prove Nerchio is the better player. Idra isn't Batman: "you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" sounded cool in the movie, but I doubt Idra had some fanciful thought about refusing to cheese to preserve personal integrity or something.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
September 04 2011 22:17 GMT
#21719
On September 05 2011 06:35 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 04:02 Antimatterz wrote:
This is how I feel about IdrA right now:
He is playing in these small tourneys to gauge his current skill level, and also to see how other foreigners are playing. I'm not suprised he forfeited after losing his first game to Nerchio (Nerchio's ZvZ is rediculous), because 1. He realized that he was probably not going to advance and 2. after playing that long he was probably tired as hell. People who say he has given up are deluding themselves. Have you even SEEN the effort he is putting into this game right now? 8 hours of practice a DAY, and when people are saying that he has given up when he rage quits or gets frustrated, that is just bullshit. When he gets frustrated, its because he cares about Starcraft. You don't get frustrated over something you don't care about. I feel that when he goes to Korea, is surrounded by the best in the world, and is putting in the effort he is putting in now, something is gonna happen.

My 2 cents.


This should get some light. As I feel it's correct. He went into the tournament to gauge his skill. Koreans show up might as well gauge it against some Code B Koreans as well.

Nerchio has the best ZvZ outside Korea, I'm sure Idra knows that. He played the first game to gauge his chances, get an idea of where his ZvZ is. He got destroyed.

What do you do to beat someone who's vastly superior than you? You Cheese.

Doesn't look good if the guy who is adamantly against cheese, cheeses a whole series. I'm not justifying it, or his mindset I'm just saying I can follow the logic especially of someone so commited against cheese, to become that what he hates most. Maybe he could of attempted to play out a legit series but Idra plays to win every game and the best chance to win in that situation must of been to cheese.

Maybe I have it wrong but like the guy above said, my 2 cents.


What i don't understand is why he just couldn't play the remaining games against Nericho and just treat them as regular ladder games? At least then he loses without the hassle of a walkover and saves face for both himself, his teams and the tournament. Apologists seem to find the weirdest excuses to defend their hero.
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
September 04 2011 22:27 GMT
#21720
On September 05 2011 07:17 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 06:35 Denzil wrote:
On September 05 2011 04:02 Antimatterz wrote:
This is how I feel about IdrA right now:
He is playing in these small tourneys to gauge his current skill level, and also to see how other foreigners are playing. I'm not suprised he forfeited after losing his first game to Nerchio (Nerchio's ZvZ is rediculous), because 1. He realized that he was probably not going to advance and 2. after playing that long he was probably tired as hell. People who say he has given up are deluding themselves. Have you even SEEN the effort he is putting into this game right now? 8 hours of practice a DAY, and when people are saying that he has given up when he rage quits or gets frustrated, that is just bullshit. When he gets frustrated, its because he cares about Starcraft. You don't get frustrated over something you don't care about. I feel that when he goes to Korea, is surrounded by the best in the world, and is putting in the effort he is putting in now, something is gonna happen.

My 2 cents.


This should get some light. As I feel it's correct. He went into the tournament to gauge his skill. Koreans show up might as well gauge it against some Code B Koreans as well.

Nerchio has the best ZvZ outside Korea, I'm sure Idra knows that. He played the first game to gauge his chances, get an idea of where his ZvZ is. He got destroyed.

What do you do to beat someone who's vastly superior than you? You Cheese.

Doesn't look good if the guy who is adamantly against cheese, cheeses a whole series. I'm not justifying it, or his mindset I'm just saying I can follow the logic especially of someone so commited against cheese, to become that what he hates most. Maybe he could of attempted to play out a legit series but Idra plays to win every game and the best chance to win in that situation must of been to cheese.

Maybe I have it wrong but like the guy above said, my 2 cents.


What i don't understand is why he just couldn't play the remaining games against Nericho and just treat them as regular ladder games? At least then he loses without the hassle of a walkover and saves face for both himself, his teams and the tournament. Apologists seem to find the weirdest excuses to defend their hero.


Because he didn't want to.

He doesn't care about "face", and if his team cares, they will tell him, it's not your concern. It is also TL's concern if they want to warn him about it or not, again, not randoms on forums.


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