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ToyOmnibus
Zimbabwe139 Posts
I wish him luck for the future. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10949 Posts
On September 05 2011 13:55 BandonBanshee wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 05 2011 13:25 moralis wrote: the reason why he didn't play a 2nd game vs nerchio was becuz he knew exactly how everyone would trash talk this up if he would have lost 2:0. everyone on the forums would give nerchio so much credit and in the same sentence say: "wow this idra guy is so bad! bla fucking bla" nerchio plays a rly bs style. he goes for pool first even when he could easialy go hatch1st since he sees everything idra does with his overlord, but his strategy was to get early map control with speedling to keep his opponent in the dark and be able make an early cheesy attack with 4 banelings or something in that fassion which idra cannot scout with lings, just guess. if he would sacrifice an overlord he would have a disadvantage if nerchio just droned up hardcore. if he would have made roaches just to defend an unexpected cheese attack, he would've fallen behind also. nerchios attack was very risky, if he would have lost all his stuff without killing drones he would have lost the game in the long run cuz he would have a strong disadvantage going into the late game wasting so many resources. nerchio has no reason to assume idra wouldnt hold it, i dont get why he did this attack, and idra didnt either. in that sence it was random and gay. a very stupid style to play zvz and flip coins much. (banelings also came in too fast to position both queens.) idra didnt want to play a 2nd game getting retard coinflipped in the face by that kid and also he forfeit to say "fuck you!" to all the haters and the ppl who would talk him down and take stuff away from him. his zvz isnt bad rofl, what are you guys even talking about. and yes, he's the foreigner with the best talent. sc2 is just so random that i can understand that everyone falls apart at some point. just watch him rise from the ashes that haters and pissed off fans create, to wittness the rebirth of the best foreigner of all time my 2 cents also. sry for terrible english Its crazy how you rationalize things. Its pretty simple, Idra stopped mining gas. You cant have just lings without some sort of tech (roach or bane). Such posts are really mindboggling to me, your points "for" Nerchios build are: 1: He goes for pool first even when he could easialy go hatch1st since he sees everything idra does Why not just call it save, he could hold of everything with it and therefore is eliminating a "coinflip" scenario. 2.: but his strategy was to get early map control with speedling to keep his opponent in the dark. Ahm, sounds like a bloody good reason to play like he did? 3.: and be able make an early cheesy attack with 4 banelings or something in that fassion which idra cannot scout with lings, just guess. So, Nerchio does a build which forces Idra to "guess"... Where is the coinflip on Nerchios part here? NOWHERE. Idra, by going hatch first, is deciding to go into a position where he has to guess. Idra is willingly taking the coinflip, Nerchio is not flipping any coins here. 4.: If he would sacrifice an overlord he would have a disadvantage if nerchio just droned up hardcore. Still, this just sounds like Nerchios build is WAY superior in any way. Idras build gives him a theoretical BO advantage if both players would decide to just drone up, but well, SC2 does not work like that. Still no coinflip on Nerchios part. 5.: if he would have made roaches just to defend an unexpected cheese attack, he would've fallen behind also. Again, where is the coinflip on Nerchios part? 6.: nerchios attack was very risky, if he would have lost all his stuff without killing drones he would have lost the game in the long run cuz he would have a strong disadvantage going into the late game wasting so many resources. nerchio has no reason to assume idra wouldnt hold it, i dont get why he did this attack, and idra didnt either. in that sence it was random and gay. a very stupid style to play zvz and flip coins much. (banelings also came in too fast to position both queens.) So... Now it is Nerchio coinflipping when Idra playing totally blind dies to an attack by a clearly superior force? Nerchio could also just have settled for harassment of the Natural, but Idra didn't defend his main and died due to playing completely blind "hoping" Nerchio would also drone up. In short: Idra was coinflipping hard that game, Nerchio wasn't. Idra did not take the save route at ANY point in that game. He did not have his queens ready to block the ramp because it could lead to a disadvantage for him. He did not go Roaches because it could lead to a disadvantage for him. He did not go for early Blings because it could have lead to a disadvantage for him. He did not sacrifice a scouting overlord because it could/would have lead to a disadvantage for him... He was sitting there betting on Nerchio going into a macro game which didn't happen... Then Nerchio attacked with a superior army and Idra wasn't prepared for it in any way (no rampblock, no roaches, no banes....). I also would like to add, that Nerchio was actually able to scout/saw what Idra was doing due to his early pool and therefore probably knew pretty well what he was up against. Even if he would have seen that his attack won't do anything, what would have stopped him from just hanging back and playing from behind for a bit and eventually win anyway (which happens OFTEN in SC2... If you are not playing the game with Idra's mindset...). | ||
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On September 05 2011 23:03 Velr wrote: + Show Spoiler + Such posts are really mindboggling to me, your points "for" Nerchios build are: 1: He goes for pool first even when he could easialy go hatch1st since he sees everything idra does Why not just call it save, he could hold of everything with it and therefore is eliminating a "coinflip" scenario. 2.: but his strategy was to get early map control with speedling to keep his opponent in the dark. Ahm, sounds like a bloody good reason to play like he did? 3.: and be able make an early cheesy attack with 4 banelings or something in that fassion which idra cannot scout with lings, just guess. So, Nerchio does a build which forces Idra to "guess"... Where is the coinflip on Nerchios part here? NOWHERE. Idra, by going hatch first, is deciding to go into a position where he has to guess. Idra is willingly taking the coinflip, Nerchio is not flipping any coins here. 4.: If he would sacrifice an overlord he would have a disadvantage if nerchio just droned up hardcore. Still, this just sounds like Nerchios build is WAY superior in any way. Idras build gives him a theoretical BO advantage if both players would decide to just drone up, but well, SC2 does not work like that. Still no coinflip on Nerchios part. 5.: if he would have made roaches just to defend an unexpected cheese attack, he would've fallen behind also. Again, where is the coinflip on Nerchios part? 6.: nerchios attack was very risky, if he would have lost all his stuff without killing drones he would have lost the game in the long run cuz he would have a strong disadvantage going into the late game wasting so many resources. nerchio has no reason to assume idra wouldnt hold it, i dont get why he did this attack, and idra didnt either. in that sence it was random and gay. a very stupid style to play zvz and flip coins much. (banelings also came in too fast to position both queens.) So... Now it is Nerchio coinflipping when Idra playing totally blind dies to an attack by a clearly superior force? Nerchio could also just have settled for harassment of the Natural, but Idra didn't defend his main and died due to playing completely blind "hoping" Nerchio would also drone up. In short: Idra was coinflipping hard that game, Nerchio wasn't. Idra did not take the save route at ANY point in that game. He did not have his queens ready to block the ramp because it could lead to a disadvantage for him. He did not go Roaches because it could lead to a disadvantage for him. He did not go for early Blings because it could have lead to a disadvantage for him. He did not sacrifice a scouting overlord because it could/would have lead to a disadvantage for him... He was sitting there betting on Nerchio going into a macro game which didn't happen... Then Nerchio attacked with a superior army and Idra wasn't prepared for it in any way (no rampblock, no roaches, no banes....). I also would like to add, that Nerchio was actually able to scout/saw what Idra was doing due to his early pool and therefore probably knew pretty well what he was up against. Even if he would have seen that his attack won't do anything, what would have stopped him from just hanging back and playing from behind for a bit and eventually win anyway (which happens OFTEN in SC2... If you are not playing the game with Idra's mindset...). Why would you post a wall of text dissing Idra in his fanclub? If you want to argue with people about how great your fav. player Nerchio is, do it somewhere else. To anyone else feeling like guessing Idra's reasons for forfeiting, how about you wait until he explains himself. Every theory so far has been so implausible as to be worthless. Back to supporting Idra! I think Idra now has 151 points in the TSL3 rankings, which was enough for TLO to get first rank last TSL. I doubt we'll see him in any more qualifiers... | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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Khazroul
United Kingdom206 Posts
However I would generally recommend that IdrA had made some roaches as he can get a drone lead hatch first while getting 3 roaches and then check what's up when ling speed finishes. | ||
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moralis
Germany4 Posts
im not gonna argue anymore on this. you got some valid points about idra playing insecure but as i mention its the current metagame (amongst players who are willing to play a macro game), it was a bo3 so you are allowed to cut corners since u get at least a 2nd chance. greg decided not to play it out tho, curious what his exact reason was. luckily there's ITG tomorrow. again sorry for bad english | ||
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slayers_gracken
Canada10 Posts
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Pieismyign
United States176 Posts
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trikshun
United States437 Posts
On September 06 2011 00:36 Ghanburighan wrote: Why would you post a wall of text dissing Idra in his fanclub? If you want to argue with people about how great your fav. player Nerchio is, do it somewhere else. To anyone else feeling like guessing Idra's reasons for forfeiting, how about you wait until he explains himself. Every theory so far has been so implausible as to be worthless. Back to supporting Idra! I think Idra now has 151 points in the TSL3 rankings, which was enough for TLO to get first rank last TSL. I doubt we'll see him in any more qualifiers... Its not for TSL | ||
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trikshun
United States437 Posts
will be streaming with commentary and a webcam at 11:30 am pdt/2:30 pm edt on idrajit.tv 2 minutes ago YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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MountainGoat
United States508 Posts
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On September 06 2011 02:29 trikshun wrote: idrajit Greg Fields will be streaming with commentary and a webcam at 11:30 am pdt/2:30 pm edt on idrajit.tv 2 minutes ago YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is this 8:30 pm for central europe? sweet | ||
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trikshun
United States437 Posts
On September 06 2011 02:31 Hardigan wrote: is this 8:30 pm for central europe? sweet Idk about that but its in an hour | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
On September 06 2011 02:29 trikshun wrote: idrajit Greg Fields will be streaming with commentary and a webcam at 11:30 am pdt/2:30 pm edt on idrajit.tv 2 minutes ago YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ssssaaaaaweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet stuff right there!! Thx for posting it, would have missed it otherwise I think! | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
last time we had to earn it by giving idra 20k views in sotg, maybe idra is teasing us before he gives us another task xD IdrA Fighting !!! | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10949 Posts
On September 06 2011 00:36 Ghanburighan wrote: Why would you post a wall of text dissing Idra in his fanclub? If you want to argue with people about how great your fav. player Nerchio is, do it somewhere else. To anyone else feeling like guessing Idra's reasons for forfeiting, how about you wait until he explains himself. Every theory so far has been so implausible as to be worthless. Back to supporting Idra! I think Idra now has 151 points in the TSL3 rankings, which was enough for TLO to get first rank last TSL. I doubt we'll see him in any more qualifiers... I wasn't bashing Idra. I was calling out some obvious uberfanboy that called the player that beat Idra a "coinflipping retard" (thats what he sais when you sum up his post) just because Idra lost. Idra made gamble (coinflip, whatever you want to call it), Idra lost because his gamble was called --> GG. Sometimes you should play a little saver even if it will give you a small disadvantage (ie. go fast Roaches or quick Banelings even if it could mean to be behind on Drones a little). @Khrazoul I agree, i just don't see Nerchio in this position to "coinflip" big time, i think he could (and obviously did) judge pretty good what idra was up too). You also never will get 100% information in SC2 so there will allways be "minor" coinflips. The one that Idra made was just HUGE, i doubt even Nerchio getting deflected would have resulted in a guaranteed lose  . Thats why i don't like it when someone calls Nerchio out for "coinflipping hard" that game.@Moralis Nerchio is at a 100% winrate against Idra (afaik in tournament/important games at least)... I doubt he's afraid in any way of him... But ok, let it rest .I hope Idra will finally get his shit together and own something, i'm not a big fan but i like seeing good Zergs play good more than anythign else and wish him best of luck ... Sadly Idra is not playing that good recently (well, sometimes when the game runs according to his plan he looks damn strong, but thats just not often the case against other top foreigners, at least not in the games i recently saw from him). | ||
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trikshun
United States437 Posts
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United States6046 Posts
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ENM_Alexb
United States129 Posts
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Bulgaria2443 Posts
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