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On September 06 2011 00:36 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 23:03 Velr wrote:On September 05 2011 13:55 BandonBanshee wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2011 13:25 moralis wrote:
the reason why he didn't play a 2nd game vs nerchio was becuz he knew exactly how everyone would trash talk this up if he would have lost 2:0. everyone on the forums would give nerchio so much credit and in the same sentence say: "wow this idra guy is so bad! bla fucking bla"
nerchio plays a rly bs style. he goes for pool first even when he could easialy go hatch1st since he sees everything idra does with his overlord, but his strategy was to get early map control with speedling to keep his opponent in the dark and be able make an early cheesy attack with 4 banelings or something in that fassion which idra cannot scout with lings, just guess. if he would sacrifice an overlord he would have a disadvantage if nerchio just droned up hardcore. if he would have made roaches just to defend an unexpected cheese attack, he would've fallen behind also. nerchios attack was very risky, if he would have lost all his stuff without killing drones he would have lost the game in the long run cuz he would have a strong disadvantage going into the late game wasting so many resources. nerchio has no reason to assume idra wouldnt hold it, i dont get why he did this attack, and idra didnt either. in that sence it was random and gay. a very stupid style to play zvz and flip coins much. (banelings also came in too fast to position both queens.)
idra didnt want to play a 2nd game getting retard coinflipped in the face by that kid and also he forfeit to say "fuck you!" to all the haters and the ppl who would talk him down and take stuff away from him. his zvz isnt bad rofl, what are you guys even talking about.
and yes, he's the foreigner with the best talent. sc2 is just so random that i can understand that everyone falls apart at some point. just watch him rise from the ashes that haters and pissed off fans create, to wittness the rebirth of the best foreigner of all time
my 2 cents also. sry for terrible english Its crazy how you rationalize things. Its pretty simple, Idra stopped mining gas. You cant have just lings without some sort of tech (roach or bane). + Show Spoiler +
Such posts are really mindboggling to me, your points "for" Nerchios build are:
1: He goes for pool first even when he could easialy go hatch1st since he sees everything idra does
Why not just call it save, he could hold of everything with it and therefore is eliminating a "coinflip" scenario.
2.: but his strategy was to get early map control with speedling to keep his opponent in the dark.
Ahm, sounds like a bloody good reason to play like he did?
3.: and be able make an early cheesy attack with 4 banelings or something in that fassion which idra cannot scout with lings, just guess.
So, Nerchio does a build which forces Idra to "guess"... Where is the coinflip on Nerchios part here? NOWHERE. Idra, by going hatch first, is deciding to go into a position where he has to guess. Idra is willingly taking the coinflip, Nerchio is not flipping any coins here.
4.: If he would sacrifice an overlord he would have a disadvantage if nerchio just droned up hardcore.
Still, this just sounds like Nerchios build is WAY superior in any way. Idras build gives him a theoretical BO advantage if both players would decide to just drone up, but well, SC2 does not work like that. Still no coinflip on Nerchios part.
5.: if he would have made roaches just to defend an unexpected cheese attack, he would've fallen behind also.
Again, where is the coinflip on Nerchios part?
6.: nerchios attack was very risky, if he would have lost all his stuff without killing drones he would have lost the game in the long run cuz he would have a strong disadvantage going into the late game wasting so many resources. nerchio has no reason to assume idra wouldnt hold it, i dont get why he did this attack, and idra didnt either. in that sence it was random and gay. a very stupid style to play zvz and flip coins much. (banelings also came in too fast to position both queens.)
So... Now it is Nerchio coinflipping when Idra playing totally blind dies to an attack by a clearly superior force? Nerchio could also just have settled for harassment of the Natural, but Idra didn't defend his main and died due to playing completely blind "hoping" Nerchio would also drone up.
In short:
Idra was coinflipping hard that game, Nerchio wasn't.
Idra did not take the save route at ANY point in that game. He did not have his queens ready to block the ramp because it could lead to a disadvantage for him. He did not go Roaches because it could lead to a disadvantage for him. He did not go for early Blings because it could have lead to a disadvantage for him. He did not sacrifice a scouting overlord because it could/would have lead to a disadvantage for him...
He was sitting there betting on Nerchio going into a macro game which didn't happen... Then Nerchio attacked with a superior army and Idra wasn't prepared for it in any way (no rampblock, no roaches, no banes....).
I also would like to add, that Nerchio was actually able to scout/saw what Idra was doing due to his early pool and therefore probably knew pretty well what he was up against. Even if he would have seen that his attack won't do anything, what would have stopped him from just hanging back and playing from behind for a bit and eventually win anyway (which happens OFTEN in SC2... If you are not playing the game with Idra's mindset...).
Why would you post a wall of text dissing Idra in his fanclub? If you want to argue with people about how great your fav. player Nerchio is, do it somewhere else. To anyone else feeling like guessing Idra's reasons for forfeiting, how about you wait until he explains himself. Every theory so far has been so implausible as to be worthless. Back to supporting Idra! I think Idra now has 151 points in the TSL3 rankings, which was enough for TLO to get first rank last TSL. I doubt we'll see him in any more qualifiers...
He aint dissing Idra he is just explaining to all the fan-boys why that ZvZ wasn't a coin flip and as soon Idra and his fans realise that the only way to get better is to analyse why you lost and try to improve from there.
However it seems sometimes that Idra and his fan-boys would rather just blame it on 3rd factors like coin flip, unbalance, Strange weather phenomenon, sleep deprivation etc. it really doesn't help Idra at all. All it does its make Idra worse.
I was a huge Idra fan when he was a Korea, however the last 3-4months has gone downhill so fast its not even funny. when I look at other zergs like Stephano,Nerchio, just to name a few. They just seems miles ahead of Idra atm.
And why is that I don't believe they train harder then Idra but i do believe it has something to-do with his attitude.
To quote White-ra:
No GG, no skill. What exactly does it mean? Well he also say more GG more skill. So basically what he says if you don't understand why you lost then you cant improve. but if you understand why you lose then the more you lose the better you will become.
I really like that quote and attitude from White-ra and I think it is Idra biggest problem. If he thinks the game is unbalance or coin-flip etc. then he cant really improve can he. No GG no skill.
And the sooner Idra and his fan boys realise this Idra will be back in his old shape
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IdrA is the best ZvZ teacher I've ever listened to. This muta vs muta ZvZ is so informative.
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wow idra streaming with webcam and commentary........why?
to make up for TL open?
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On September 06 2011 03:59 ThatGuy89 wrote:
wow idra streaming with webcam and commentary........why?
to make up for TL open?
Cause people can enjoy it more? o.O
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Awesome, looking forward to the stream. ^__^
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THANK YOU IDRA FOR STREAMING WITH COMMENTARY!!!!!!!!!
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On September 06 2011 04:06 tGFuRy wrote:
Y did he stop streaming?
He is trying to fix his stream - he'll be back.
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On September 06 2011 03:55 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:36 Ghanburighan wrote:On September 05 2011 23:03 Velr wrote:On September 05 2011 13:55 BandonBanshee wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2011 13:25 moralis wrote:
the reason why he didn't play a 2nd game vs nerchio was becuz he knew exactly how everyone would trash talk this up if he would have lost 2:0. everyone on the forums would give nerchio so much credit and in the same sentence say: "wow this idra guy is so bad! bla fucking bla"
nerchio plays a rly bs style. he goes for pool first even when he could easialy go hatch1st since he sees everything idra does with his overlord, but his strategy was to get early map control with speedling to keep his opponent in the dark and be able make an early cheesy attack with 4 banelings or something in that fassion which idra cannot scout with lings, just guess. if he would sacrifice an overlord he would have a disadvantage if nerchio just droned up hardcore. if he would have made roaches just to defend an unexpected cheese attack, he would've fallen behind also. nerchios attack was very risky, if he would have lost all his stuff without killing drones he would have lost the game in the long run cuz he would have a strong disadvantage going into the late game wasting so many resources. nerchio has no reason to assume idra wouldnt hold it, i dont get why he did this attack, and idra didnt either. in that sence it was random and gay. a very stupid style to play zvz and flip coins much. (banelings also came in too fast to position both queens.)
idra didnt want to play a 2nd game getting retard coinflipped in the face by that kid and also he forfeit to say "fuck you!" to all the haters and the ppl who would talk him down and take stuff away from him. his zvz isnt bad rofl, what are you guys even talking about.
and yes, he's the foreigner with the best talent. sc2 is just so random that i can understand that everyone falls apart at some point. just watch him rise from the ashes that haters and pissed off fans create, to wittness the rebirth of the best foreigner of all time
my 2 cents also. sry for terrible english Its crazy how you rationalize things. Its pretty simple, Idra stopped mining gas. You cant have just lings without some sort of tech (roach or bane). + Show Spoiler +
Such posts are really mindboggling to me, your points "for" Nerchios build are:
1: He goes for pool first even when he could easialy go hatch1st since he sees everything idra does
Why not just call it save, he could hold of everything with it and therefore is eliminating a "coinflip" scenario.
2.: but his strategy was to get early map control with speedling to keep his opponent in the dark.
Ahm, sounds like a bloody good reason to play like he did?
3.: and be able make an early cheesy attack with 4 banelings or something in that fassion which idra cannot scout with lings, just guess.
So, Nerchio does a build which forces Idra to "guess"... Where is the coinflip on Nerchios part here? NOWHERE. Idra, by going hatch first, is deciding to go into a position where he has to guess. Idra is willingly taking the coinflip, Nerchio is not flipping any coins here.
4.: If he would sacrifice an overlord he would have a disadvantage if nerchio just droned up hardcore.
Still, this just sounds like Nerchios build is WAY superior in any way. Idras build gives him a theoretical BO advantage if both players would decide to just drone up, but well, SC2 does not work like that. Still no coinflip on Nerchios part.
5.: if he would have made roaches just to defend an unexpected cheese attack, he would've fallen behind also.
Again, where is the coinflip on Nerchios part?
6.: nerchios attack was very risky, if he would have lost all his stuff without killing drones he would have lost the game in the long run cuz he would have a strong disadvantage going into the late game wasting so many resources. nerchio has no reason to assume idra wouldnt hold it, i dont get why he did this attack, and idra didnt either. in that sence it was random and gay. a very stupid style to play zvz and flip coins much. (banelings also came in too fast to position both queens.)
So... Now it is Nerchio coinflipping when Idra playing totally blind dies to an attack by a clearly superior force? Nerchio could also just have settled for harassment of the Natural, but Idra didn't defend his main and died due to playing completely blind "hoping" Nerchio would also drone up.
In short:
Idra was coinflipping hard that game, Nerchio wasn't.
Idra did not take the save route at ANY point in that game. He did not have his queens ready to block the ramp because it could lead to a disadvantage for him. He did not go Roaches because it could lead to a disadvantage for him. He did not go for early Blings because it could have lead to a disadvantage for him. He did not sacrifice a scouting overlord because it could/would have lead to a disadvantage for him...
He was sitting there betting on Nerchio going into a macro game which didn't happen... Then Nerchio attacked with a superior army and Idra wasn't prepared for it in any way (no rampblock, no roaches, no banes....).
I also would like to add, that Nerchio was actually able to scout/saw what Idra was doing due to his early pool and therefore probably knew pretty well what he was up against. Even if he would have seen that his attack won't do anything, what would have stopped him from just hanging back and playing from behind for a bit and eventually win anyway (which happens OFTEN in SC2... If you are not playing the game with Idra's mindset...).
Why would you post a wall of text dissing Idra in his fanclub? If you want to argue with people about how great your fav. player Nerchio is, do it somewhere else. To anyone else feeling like guessing Idra's reasons for forfeiting, how about you wait until he explains himself. Every theory so far has been so implausible as to be worthless. Back to supporting Idra! I think Idra now has 151 points in the TSL3 rankings, which was enough for TLO to get first rank last TSL. I doubt we'll see him in any more qualifiers... He aint dissing Idra he is just explaining to all the fan-boys why that ZvZ wasn't a coin flip and as soon Idra and his fans realise that the only way to get better is to analyse why you lost and try to improve from there. However it seems sometimes that Idra and his fan-boys would rather just blame it on 3rd factors like coin flip, unbalance, Strange weather phenomenon, sleep deprivation etc. it really doesn't help Idra at all. All it does its make Idra worse. I was a huge Idra fan when he was a Korea, however the last 3-4months has gone downhill so fast its not even funny. when I look at other zergs like Stephano,Nerchio, just to name a few. They just seems miles ahead of Idra atm. And why is that I don't believe they train harder then Idra but i do believe it has something to-do with his attitude. To quote White-ra: No GG, no skill. What exactly does it mean? Well he also say more GG more skill. So basically what he says if you don't understand why you lost then you cant improve. but if you understand why you lose then the more you lose the better you will become. I really like that quote and attitude from White-ra and I think it is Idra biggest problem. If he thinks the game is unbalance or coin-flip etc. then he cant really improve can he. No GG no skill. And the sooner Idra and his fan boys realise this Idra will be back in his old shape
Hmm, yeah, damn those IdrA fanboys saying stuff in his fanclub that isn't 100% accurate. Must correct them immediately or the world will certainly implode. IdrA has some pretty loud opinions on balance, but if you watch any postgame interview you can tell he's his own worst critic.
Please stop the "IdrA's biggest problem is his attitude" spam. We get it, his mechanics are good, but he psyches himself out and has weak mentalstamina, blah blah blah. Can we please just try and be fans and support him whether he's no. 1 or no. 256 without resorting to pocket-psychology and what-not?
I used to mostly read this thread when on TL, but lately it's just, well, not at all been enjoyable. Even the people that are testifying to being fans are ending their sentences with "but [random other good zerg] is better than him". Who the hell cares, just leave us to our fanboyism, please.
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I might not like GunRun's casting, but he is a godsend to streamers.
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How is the weather in the eg house when idra streams?
warmwarmwarmwarmwarm
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He should just go to low settings, most people who watch streams are used to it anyway
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The secret to IdrA's macro?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Qk2Is.png)
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Keyboard view! Yay!
edit: it is his handsome face again
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His stream is too laggy and random to watch and no moderaters in chat 
Such a shame considering he was commentating his own games, but at least there is always the Vods.
P.S. Medium Shaders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Low Shaders + High Lighting, Physics, Terrain, Effects etc.
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what kind of computer takes this long to restart -_-
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That game vs slush was awsome, very well played, stream is perfect quality
Muta spliting was so awsome... then going roaches cuz slush spent all his energy is pretty smart
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Impressive Game vs slush whilst commentating gg
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Incontrol on Grantiere:
"wtf
I didn't call him retarded and idra didn't "call me out" he said "that's surprising he is generally cool"
Shut the fuck up"
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Idra : "Your all retarded"
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EPT
