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Nice outfit, now if only they could convince Jiyeon, Hyomin or someone like that to wear that
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Just me or does most asians in asian look more "mature/older" then asians here in the North America o_O I live in Canada and dayum, a lot of the girls here that are 17 look way younger then 17 year olds in asian.
Nice outfit, now if only they could convince Jiyeon, Hyomin or someone like that to wear that
.
Just me or does most asians in asian look more "mature/older" then asians here in the North America o_O I live in Canada and dayum, a lot of the girls here that are 17 look way younger then 17 year olds in asian.
I'd have to say no? I'm a male though, but I look older than my counterparts in Asia apparently. Mainly due to my height I think.
I don't feel that girls here look younger. It's probably the style of clothing and makeup (or lack of it) that makes them look younger; if they do that is.
On June 15 2011 11:22 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Not sure if this has come up previously, not in the last few pages, but I watched a BBC news vid and noticed that of the top 10 watched videos, 2 were on K-pop.
Dissapointing how the dark side article didn't go into the psychological and social fuckery the poor girls have to go through.
Thanks for sharing. At least it's a start to exposing the slave contracts.
Also some Jisook gif potential in that there second video.
Just shows why everyone's so damn eager to get into Japan, because even if they flop popularity wise they'll still make as much or more money in Japan as the do in Korea. I read somewhere the average salary for idols is like 23k/yr, which is like minimum wage...Japan market is so much bigger it doesn't matter if they don't top charts 2pm/Big Bang/SNSD/KARA style, they'll still make so much more money.
You cannot really compare to the US... where money means everything, and everyone is richer. I can't imagine Korea is as materialistic. If they aren't making much, they obviously don't care or they would do something else... Unless every occupation in Korea is as low, in which case it doesn't matter.
To hear Korean people talk on this forum, Korea is every bit as much or more materialistic than the US is. If you have reason to say otherwise I'd be interested to know. The reason they do it is cause they make on par with office workers, which isn't bad, and I'd imagine that years of staying up until 3am to train and skip school means they don't have much of a future in education either. You also have to remember that not all groups make it big initially; KARA spent 2 years in obscurity before becoming popular, and now they're arguably the number 2 or 3 girl group in Korea today, and certainly the top Korean girl group in Japan. Wanting to be famous proabbly also is a factor; why make slightly more in a dead end job where you can make almost as much and be famous?
Yes, exactly. They must feel it's worth it for something other than the money, which seems to counteract the idea that they are materialistic. Fame is a big factor, and of course some people care more about money than others, within the same culture. But those who do it feel it is worth it, so I don't see where the downside is.
Nice outfit, now if only they could convince Jiyeon, Hyomin or someone like that to wear that
.
Just me or does most asians in asian look more "mature/older" then asians here in the North America o_O I live in Canada and dayum, a lot of the girls here that are 17 look way younger then 17 year olds in asian.
I'd have to say no? I'm a male though, but I look older than my counterparts in Asia apparently. Mainly due to my height I think.
I don't feel that girls here look younger. It's probably the style of clothing and makeup (or lack of it) that makes them look younger; if they do that is.
I think the young idols are often made up to look older.
On June 15 2011 11:22 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Not sure if this has come up previously, not in the last few pages, but I watched a BBC news vid and noticed that of the top 10 watched videos, 2 were on K-pop.
Dissapointing how the dark side article didn't go into the psychological and social fuckery the poor girls have to go through.
Thanks for sharing. At least it's a start to exposing the slave contracts.
Also some Jisook gif potential in that there second video.
Just shows why everyone's so damn eager to get into Japan, because even if they flop popularity wise they'll still make as much or more money in Japan as the do in Korea. I read somewhere the average salary for idols is like 23k/yr, which is like minimum wage...Japan market is so much bigger it doesn't matter if they don't top charts 2pm/Big Bang/SNSD/KARA style, they'll still make so much more money.
You cannot really compare to the US... where money means everything, and everyone is richer. I can't imagine Korea is as materialistic. If they aren't making much, they obviously don't care or they would do something else... Unless every occupation in Korea is as low, in which case it doesn't matter.
To hear Korean people talk on this forum, Korea is every bit as much or more materialistic than the US is. If you have reason to say otherwise I'd be interested to know. The reason they do it is cause they make on par with office workers, which isn't bad, and I'd imagine that years of staying up until 3am to train and skip school means they don't have much of a future in education either. You also have to remember that not all groups make it big initially; KARA spent 2 years in obscurity before becoming popular, and now they're arguably the number 2 or 3 girl group in Korea today, and certainly the top Korean girl group in Japan. Wanting to be famous proabbly also is a factor; why make slightly more in a dead end job where you can make almost as much and be famous?
Yes, exactly. They must feel it's worth it for something other than the money, which seems to counteract the idea that they are materialistic. Fame is a big factor, and of course some people care more about money than others, within the same culture. But those who do it feel it is worth it, so I don't see where the downside is.
Fame still isn't the primary motivating factor though; from what I can tell it just makes it more palatable. Although anything more said by us is just pure conjecture. Maybe materialistic wasn't the best term, should have said individualistic but w/e. As for how Asians look, I disagree. I have to say they look older here than they do in Asia. I think diet has a lot to do with it; to hear my parents talk Asians here (US) are much taller/larger due to "proper" diets or more dairy (midwest lol) or whatever, and the fact that "Aegyo" or looking cute probably has something to do with it. In the US as far as I can tell girls start dressing like whores at 13, which goes a long way towards making them look "mature"
edit- behavior probably has something to do with it for the original conception as well...if all you see are kidols dancing all sexy and wearing formalwear, and being really polite in all appearances cause that's how it's done, then they're going to appear much more mature than someone of the same age you know casually here, cause they'd tend to dress more age-appropriate and be a lot less formal or mature. Just appearance wise though I'd have to say the exact opposite.
On June 15 2011 11:22 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Not sure if this has come up previously, not in the last few pages, but I watched a BBC news vid and noticed that of the top 10 watched videos, 2 were on K-pop.
Dissapointing how the dark side article didn't go into the psychological and social fuckery the poor girls have to go through.
Thanks for sharing. At least it's a start to exposing the slave contracts.
Also some Jisook gif potential in that there second video.
Just shows why everyone's so damn eager to get into Japan, because even if they flop popularity wise they'll still make as much or more money in Japan as the do in Korea. I read somewhere the average salary for idols is like 23k/yr, which is like minimum wage...Japan market is so much bigger it doesn't matter if they don't top charts 2pm/Big Bang/SNSD/KARA style, they'll still make so much more money.
You cannot really compare to the US... where money means everything, and everyone is richer. I can't imagine Korea is as materialistic. If they aren't making much, they obviously don't care or they would do something else... Unless every occupation in Korea is as low, in which case it doesn't matter.
To hear Korean people talk on this forum, Korea is every bit as much or more materialistic than the US is. If you have reason to say otherwise I'd be interested to know. The reason they do it is cause they make on par with office workers, which isn't bad, and I'd imagine that years of staying up until 3am to train and skip school means they don't have much of a future in education either. You also have to remember that not all groups make it big initially; KARA spent 2 years in obscurity before becoming popular, and now they're arguably the number 2 or 3 girl group in Korea today, and certainly the top Korean girl group in Japan. Wanting to be famous proabbly also is a factor; why make slightly more in a dead end job where you can make almost as much and be famous?
Yes, exactly. They must feel it's worth it for something other than the money, which seems to counteract the idea that they are materialistic. Fame is a big factor, and of course some people care more about money than others, within the same culture. But those who do it feel it is worth it, so I don't see where the downside is.
Nice outfit, now if only they could convince Jiyeon, Hyomin or someone like that to wear that
.
Just me or does most asians in asian look more "mature/older" then asians here in the North America o_O I live in Canada and dayum, a lot of the girls here that are 17 look way younger then 17 year olds in asian.
I'd have to say no? I'm a male though, but I look older than my counterparts in Asia apparently. Mainly due to my height I think.
I don't feel that girls here look younger. It's probably the style of clothing and makeup (or lack of it) that makes them look younger; if they do that is.
I think the young idols are often made up to look older.
I don't know if people are aware of this, but Asian culture is sooo much more materialistic than American culture, to the point where how much a person has comes close to defining who they are.
Anyone who's lived in an East Asian culture should notice this. It's not uncommon to spend half of what you make on designer clothes . . . .
On June 15 2011 11:22 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Not sure if this has come up previously, not in the last few pages, but I watched a BBC news vid and noticed that of the top 10 watched videos, 2 were on K-pop.
Dissapointing how the dark side article didn't go into the psychological and social fuckery the poor girls have to go through.
Thanks for sharing. At least it's a start to exposing the slave contracts.
Also some Jisook gif potential in that there second video.
Just shows why everyone's so damn eager to get into Japan, because even if they flop popularity wise they'll still make as much or more money in Japan as the do in Korea. I read somewhere the average salary for idols is like 23k/yr, which is like minimum wage...Japan market is so much bigger it doesn't matter if they don't top charts 2pm/Big Bang/SNSD/KARA style, they'll still make so much more money.
You cannot really compare to the US... where money means everything, and everyone is richer. I can't imagine Korea is as materialistic. If they aren't making much, they obviously don't care or they would do something else... Unless every occupation in Korea is as low, in which case it doesn't matter.
To hear Korean people talk on this forum, Korea is every bit as much or more materialistic than the US is. If you have reason to say otherwise I'd be interested to know. The reason they do it is cause they make on par with office workers, which isn't bad, and I'd imagine that years of staying up until 3am to train and skip school means they don't have much of a future in education either. You also have to remember that not all groups make it big initially; KARA spent 2 years in obscurity before becoming popular, and now they're arguably the number 2 or 3 girl group in Korea today, and certainly the top Korean girl group in Japan. Wanting to be famous proabbly also is a factor; why make slightly more in a dead end job where you can make almost as much and be famous?
Yes, exactly. They must feel it's worth it for something other than the money, which seems to counteract the idea that they are materialistic. Fame is a big factor, and of course some people care more about money than others, within the same culture. But those who do it feel it is worth it, so I don't see where the downside is.
Nice outfit, now if only they could convince Jiyeon, Hyomin or someone like that to wear that
.
Just me or does most asians in asian look more "mature/older" then asians here in the North America o_O I live in Canada and dayum, a lot of the girls here that are 17 look way younger then 17 year olds in asian.
I'd have to say no? I'm a male though, but I look older than my counterparts in Asia apparently. Mainly due to my height I think.
I don't feel that girls here look younger. It's probably the style of clothing and makeup (or lack of it) that makes them look younger; if they do that is.
I think the young idols are often made up to look older.
I don't know if people are aware of this, but Asian culture is sooo much more materialistic than American culture, to the point where how much a person has comes close to defining who they are.
Anyone who's lived in an East Asian culture should notice this. It's not uncommon to spend half of what you make on designer clothes . . . .
More like you save 80% of your income and spend a extremely small portion of your money on designer clothing. If you still can't then you buy them second hand or buy clones.
Prestige and pride is manifested in materialism. We don't get money for the hell of money like Americans. We get money to say "I got more money than you, peasant."
On June 15 2011 11:22 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Not sure if this has come up previously, not in the last few pages, but I watched a BBC news vid and noticed that of the top 10 watched videos, 2 were on K-pop.
Dissapointing how the dark side article didn't go into the psychological and social fuckery the poor girls have to go through.
Thanks for sharing. At least it's a start to exposing the slave contracts.
Also some Jisook gif potential in that there second video.
Just shows why everyone's so damn eager to get into Japan, because even if they flop popularity wise they'll still make as much or more money in Japan as the do in Korea. I read somewhere the average salary for idols is like 23k/yr, which is like minimum wage...Japan market is so much bigger it doesn't matter if they don't top charts 2pm/Big Bang/SNSD/KARA style, they'll still make so much more money.
You cannot really compare to the US... where money means everything, and everyone is richer. I can't imagine Korea is as materialistic. If they aren't making much, they obviously don't care or they would do something else... Unless every occupation in Korea is as low, in which case it doesn't matter.
To hear Korean people talk on this forum, Korea is every bit as much or more materialistic than the US is. If you have reason to say otherwise I'd be interested to know. The reason they do it is cause they make on par with office workers, which isn't bad, and I'd imagine that years of staying up until 3am to train and skip school means they don't have much of a future in education either. You also have to remember that not all groups make it big initially; KARA spent 2 years in obscurity before becoming popular, and now they're arguably the number 2 or 3 girl group in Korea today, and certainly the top Korean girl group in Japan. Wanting to be famous proabbly also is a factor; why make slightly more in a dead end job where you can make almost as much and be famous?
Yes, exactly. They must feel it's worth it for something other than the money, which seems to counteract the idea that they are materialistic. Fame is a big factor, and of course some people care more about money than others, within the same culture. But those who do it feel it is worth it, so I don't see where the downside is.
Nice outfit, now if only they could convince Jiyeon, Hyomin or someone like that to wear that
.
Just me or does most asians in asian look more "mature/older" then asians here in the North America o_O I live in Canada and dayum, a lot of the girls here that are 17 look way younger then 17 year olds in asian.
I'd have to say no? I'm a male though, but I look older than my counterparts in Asia apparently. Mainly due to my height I think.
I don't feel that girls here look younger. It's probably the style of clothing and makeup (or lack of it) that makes them look younger; if they do that is.
I think the young idols are often made up to look older.
I don't know if people are aware of this, but Asian culture is sooo much more materialistic than American culture, to the point where how much a person has comes close to defining who they are.
Anyone who's lived in an East Asian culture should notice this. It's not uncommon to spend half of what you make on designer clothes . . . .
Yeah, I was thinking of all of MightyAtom's blogs (where's he been lol) where he talks about how you have to marry someone of a similar economic status otherwise people will think you've fucked up, even if the poorer person is really nice or smoking hot or whatever. My Korean friends who've moved here also say that the University you go to matters a lot; if you don't go to College people will think you're a failure and really stupid, and you'll be locked out of a lot of high paying jobs since entrepreneurship isn't a thing that is looked well upon or happens a lot there.
edit- ^ your location confused me for a second lol. At first I was like "wait he's Canadian", before figuring out what I needed to to understand your statment lol
Nice outfit, now if only they could convince Jiyeon, Hyomin or someone like that to wear that
.
Just me or does most asians in asian look more "mature/older" then asians here in the North America o_O I live in Canada and dayum, a lot of the girls here that are 17 look way younger then 17 year olds in asian.
Nice outfit, now if only they could convince Jiyeon, Hyomin or someone like that to wear that
.
Just me or does most asians in asian look more "mature/older" then asians here in the North America o_O I live in Canada and dayum, a lot of the girls here that are 17 look way younger then 17 year olds in asian.
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