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DarkOptik

452 Posts

February 12 2011 18:09 GMT

#21821

On February 12 2011 21:53 ace246 wrote:

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Dude, getting no.1 in korean charts is merely about having the right timing executions, much like terran in starcraft 2. To be precise, releasing songs to get the maximum ranks is done when the groups from the big leagues stop promoting. Once the top idols leave the scene, the artist of the new song compete with a bunch of no-shows which isn't much of a hurdle so long as they produce mainstream genre. This method was popularised by SME a few years ago, when they realised snsd didn't stand a chance against wg.

Man, it never fails to amaze me. Every time there's any post that could be tied to SNSD in any way, ace246 comes in to spout some "SNSD sucks" in one form or another.

Your statement that idols have always been superior than singers truly baffles me when you then say that you've been around for the "good ol' days", when the period of time that ballad artists dominated the charts wasn't even that long ago (read: early 2000s). This new k-pop trend of idols is very recent relatively speaking.

Oh, and as a side note to correct more of your misinformation, SNSD had two #1 wins in the middle of "Tell Me" promotions so no, I don't think there was all that much of a dodge.

Netherlands12045 Posts

February 12 2011 18:12 GMT

#21822

On February 13 2011 02:26 LosingID8 wrote:
oh and back in the day it was actually very normal for a ballad singer like Lim Chang Jung to get 1st place on music shows. it was traditionally spring/summer = #1s for tons of idol groups and summer veterans like DJ DOC and Cool, while fall/winter = #1s for all those ballad artists.

you reminded me about those years where people got addicted to the MMO "Audition"... Old Kpop spread out the whole asian like a disease x)

strongly recomend: Aloha - COOL

Shindrah

United States74 Posts

February 12 2011 18:38 GMT

#21823

This song by E.via is amazing. Her and Nell have to be my favorite korean artists. I've only been into korean music for about 6 months so if people know anyone like them please mention there names!

jlim

Spain943 Posts

February 12 2011 19:25 GMT

#21824

On February 13 2011 02:18 LosingID8 wrote:
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On February 13 2011 00:21 jlim wrote:
What are you all talking about, idols have always had superiority in the rankings against singers since kpop was created. Idols used to be talented and not just pretty faces like nowadays but still they were idols and not singers. Some of them even composed their own songs but these songs were nevertheless bubblegum poppish songs or cheap techno-like songs whose main (and probably only) target was teenagers. There have been several singers featured in kpop music shows for a long time (not anymore I think) and having average to good sales but they've never been in the top of the sales ranks or anything, with only some very specific exceptions like Brown Eyes whose quality+hype+"i'm so good i'm not even doing promotions" have destroyed the charts.

This is pop music, which is all about marketing. ace246 is totally right about what he stated. If you are going to refuse that, please give examples, and good ones.

btw now it is easier for rookies to get to nº1 because there are many companies and groups, and not just your sm jyp yg dst. years ago a group like god would make 1m sales, while now 5 groups get 100k sales each (obviously not occurate, just a broad example)

and please forgive the broken english, I just can't write properly today

you make some very strong statements that i highly disagree with in your first paragraph. "idols have always had superiority in the rankings against singers since kpop was created"??? in what universe are you from?

ever heard of kim gun mo?
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this guy sold around 3 million copies of his album containing the hit song "wrongful meeting" back in the 90s. that's more than HOT, Sechs Kies, FinKL, SES, Shinhwa, g.o.d, etc.

this blog shows the top album sales from 2000-2007 (numbers were taken from MIAK). i'll translate the top 10 for each year to english

2000
1. Jo Sung Mo - 3rd album ~2million
2. Jo Sung Mo - Classic ~1.5 million
3. g.o.d - 3rd album ~1.5 million
4. Seo Taiji - 2nd album ~1.1 million
5. HOT - 5th album ~900k
(6-10: SES, Cool, DJ DOC, Turbo, g.o.d)

2001
1. Various Artists - Sonata ~1.7million
2. g.o.d - 4th album ~1.6million
3. Kim Gun Mo - 7th album ~1.4million
4. Jo Sung Mo - 4th album ~960k
5. Brown Eyes - 1st album ~640k
(6-10: Cool, Wax, Position, Kangta, JTL)

2002
1. Cool - 7th album ~650k
2. Brown Eyes - 2nd album ~620k
3. Wax - 3rd album ~570k
4. BoA - 2nd album ~540k
5. Koyote - 4th album ~510k
(6-10: Park Hyo Shin, Lee Soo Young, Sung Shi Kyung, Jang Nara, Shin Seung Hoon)

2003
1. Kim Gun Mo - 8th album ~530k
2. Lee Soo Young - 5th album ~435k
3. Jo Sung Mo - 5th album ~400k
4. Wheesung - 2nd album ~370k
5. BoA - 3rd album ~345k
(6-10: Big Mama, Koyote, Brown Eyed Soul, Lee Soo Young, Se7en)

2004
1. Seo Taiji - 7th album
2. Lee Soo Young - 5.5 album
3. Lee Seung Chul - 7th album
4. Lee Soo Young - 6th album
5. Shinhwa - 7th album
(6-10: Koyote, Shin Seung Hoon, DBSK, DBSK, Wheesung)

2005
1. SG Wannabe - 2nd album
2. Kim Jong Kook - 3rd album
3. Buzz - 2nd album
4. DBSK - 2nd album
5. Shin Hye Sung - 1st album
(6-10: Big Mama, Jo Sung Mo, Wheesung, SG Wannabe, Yoon Do Hyun)

2006
1. DBSK - 3rd album
2. SG Wannabe - 3rd album
3. Shinhwa - 8th album
4. Lee Soo Young - 8th album
5. Fly to the Sky - 6th album
(6-10: Buzz, Kim Jong Kook, Se7en, Rain, Sung Shi Kyung)

2007
1. SG Wannabe - 4th album
2. Super Junior - 1st album
3. Epik High - 4th album
4. Shin Hye Sung - 2nd album
5. See Ya - 2nd album
(6-10: FT Island, MC the MAX, Toy, SG Wannabe, SG Wannabe)

GG

Yeah I was expecting to be somewhat wrong but it turned out I was more wrong than I thought. You're mostly right. Note, however, that almost half the artists displayed in those lists (only looking at top 5) are idol groups/soloists (g.o.d, HOT, Cool, BoA, Koyote, Shinhwa, KJK, DBSK, FTTS, Suju). Then there are those few singers who always break the ranks because of the abovementioned reasons (Seo Tae Ji, Brown Eyes), and here's where I was totally wrong: I thought the likes of Lee Soo Young, Lee Seung Chul, Jung Sung Mo and Kim Gun Mo would have seldom reached the top 5 sales in any year. Oh well, never I've felt better about being wrong.

Anyways pop is what it is. Most people like better to listen to easy simple catchy tunes than to 4 minutes long vocal songs full of feelings and meaningful lyrics which require to pay attention, can't be sung along easily and most of the time disturb your heart and soul. We live in an era where everyone is stressed and racing against eachother, so people tend to favor things that are easy and meaningless instead of the difficult and enduring ones. It happens in every (developed?) country. I think that there's no point on complaining about "good music" not being ranked high in sales, that music is art and therefore everyone is supposed to listen to whatever they want. Of course, that's my point of view, and I think it's great that there's people out there who claim against the degradation of the overall music consumption, which is by all means not good.

Well, that's it.

btw, I'm a huge Kim Gun Mo fan. I know many songs of him, like, by heart. And imo his 3rd album is indeed his best album.

kakaman

United States1576 Posts

February 12 2011 23:48 GMT

#21825

Has anyone watched Urakara? This is the synopsis:

The premise of the show has KARA working for an underworld service as for-hires, but instead of killing their targets, their missions require them to make those men fall in love with them. Each week, a mysterious boss will give them their new target - from powerful politicians to kabuki actors to ordinary salarymen - and they will use any technique they can to accomplish their goal. But due to their inexperience with love, various problems come up during their missions.

Doesn't this sound like KARA being high priced prostitutes to powerful people?

DystopiaX

United States16236 Posts

February 13 2011 00:08 GMT

#21826

I saw a couple of episodes and that shit is mad Japanese. I love Kara but can't get behind it.

Kipsate

Netherlands45349 Posts

February 13 2011 00:17 GMT

#21827

The robot is terribly offputting.

candlejackisgonn

United States159 Posts

February 13 2011 02:36 GMT

#21828

I like it :3 Their acting isn't bad and it gives me something to watch while I wait for new T-ara subs to come out.

T.O.P.

Hong Kong4685 Posts

February 13 2011 02:50 GMT

#21829

On February 13 2011 08:48 kakaman wrote:
Has anyone watched Urakara? This is the synopsis:

The premise of the show has KARA working for an underworld service as for-hires, but instead of killing their targets, their missions require them to make those men fall in love with them. Each week, a mysterious boss will give them their new target - from powerful politicians to kabuki actors to ordinary salarymen - and they will use any technique they can to accomplish their goal. But due to their inexperience with love, various problems come up during their missions.

Doesn't this sound like KARA being high priced prostitutes to powerful people?

Completely creeps me out. Yet I watch it cause kara is in it. Skipped all the gyuri parts though.

Mi.rai

178 Posts

February 13 2011 03:06 GMT

#21830

Anyone here watches dream high kdrama?

I like their main theme song.

One of the episode where the group sings Tell Me Your Wish (Genie) .

edit:
oops i just realised its been posted before. anyway what do people think about the most recent episode?

Consolidate

United States829 Posts

February 13 2011 03:15 GMT

#21831

On February 13 2011 11:50 T.O.P. wrote:

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Completely creeps me out. Yet I watch it cause kara is in it. Skipped all the gyuri parts though.

What the hell did you expect? Everything about kpop is exploitative and creepy.

branespload

United States49 Posts

February 13 2011 03:17 GMT

#21832

I made a compilation of serenades/babby makin music.. this is to play for KBZs to get them in the mood (jk i have no idea)

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Tracklist and download here:

http://peasantstat.us/post/3262150287/peasantstatus-presents-3-download-mu

lokiM

United States3407 Posts

February 13 2011 03:49 GMT

#21833

thanx for baby makin muzic
LOL @ Boji Juseyeo Vol3

Kipsate

Netherlands45349 Posts

February 13 2011 04:41 GMT

#21834

So this girl idol(?) group with instruments(???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
had a debut concert today I believe.

They have like ~22 songs but I cba to post them all in spoilers, so just check the suggest box on Yt for the rest nvm lol, half the stuff in the suggest box is the same, reading comprehension fail.
Does not sound really bad, not bad at all.

T.O.P.

Hong Kong4685 Posts

February 13 2011 05:02 GMT

#21835

On February 13 2011 12:15 Consolidate wrote:

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What the hell did you expect? Everything about kpop is exploitative and creepy.

Why do you read the kpop thread? Seems like you hate kpop. Or are you still in the denial mode where you can't believe that you like kpop.

Kentor

United States5784 Posts

February 13 2011 05:55 GMT

#21836

On February 12 2011 14:59 SushilS wrote:

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But she was still so cute when she screwed up... I think her popularity actually rose after that. For one thing, it proved she wasn't resorting to any lip-sync or on-the-fly autotune shenanigans. Major props to her for that.

Props for not lip syncing. How sad

hyomin godtier

Canada367 Posts

February 13 2011 06:15 GMT

#21837

On February 13 2011 14:55 Kentor wrote:

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Props for not lip syncing. How sad

Editing a one liner. Equally sad.

Consolidate

United States829 Posts

February 13 2011 06:22 GMT

#21838

On February 13 2011 14:02 T.O.P. wrote:

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Why do you read the kpop thread? Seems like you hate kpop. Or are you still in the denial mode where you can't believe that you like kpop.

No denial here. I dig kpop. But it seems fairly obvious there are those in the industry who are literally whore'd out behind-the-scenes.

I just wonder why you are not creep'd out by the entire business?

Waffles

Romania605 Posts

February 13 2011 07:56 GMT

#21839

god damn. i have just noticed how much KPF has grown the past few months. god damn 8k viewers on stream.Should have been in KPF gang in the beginning so i could be a cool kid

branespload

United States49 Posts

February 13 2011 08:00 GMT

#21840

what is KPF

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