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I think you do have a point about sports and shounen series.
Let's just say sports anime (or manga) is easily the genre I hate the most out of all the genres I could think of. I really can't watch or read that kind of stuff. Most of the "typical" shounen stuff I really can't stand either. Yeah I know it's not a genre but when people talk about HxH oder Boku No Hero Academia I don't get excited either because generally speaking, I really don't like those kind of shows.
So perhaps my take on it is just different because clearly I don't appreciate any of the things people who actually like sports manga/anime are looking for.
I honestly don't care about what is ruining the series for you and wether or not there's any real threat behind what's going on. For me it's just all about the characters, seeing them in those fights and outside of them and I'm happy about getting to see more of that than ever.
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On June 25 2018 08:13 Sentenal wrote:
Also Goku loses from time to time
The problem with later parts of dragon ball is that they just keep finding ways to wish everyone back and undo anything bad that happened, anything past namek is imo pretty awful and i wasn't even really a fan of the namek arc to begin with
I believe an actual editor who worked on the series said that it was a mistake to continue to the series past namek and that it truly was just done for money reason, lol
On June 25 2018 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:
I think you do have a point about sports and shounen series.
Let's just say sports anime (or manga) is easily the genre I hate the most out of all the genres I could think of. I really can't watch or read that kind of stuff. Most of the "typical" shounen stuff I really can't stand either. Yeah I know it's not a genre but when people talk about HxH oder Boku No Hero Academia I don't get excited either because I generally speaking, really don't like those kind of shows.
So perhaps my take on it is just different because clearly I don't appreciate any of the things people who actually like sports manga/anime are looking for.
I honestly don't care about what is ruining the series for you and wether or not there's any real threat behind what's going on. For me it's just all about the characters, seeing them in those fights and outside of them and I'm happy about getting to see more of that than ever.
Once again convinced that i should just avoid shows you like and watch stuff you dislike.
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On June 23 2018 06:39 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Made In Abyss. I'd rec Gintama, but that is an acquired taste. Hmmm...Shadow Skill. Cowboy Bebop is a must. Akame Ga Kill. God Eater. Kiznaiver. If you want, I can DM my current list to you and you can sift through it.
No to God Eater and Kidsnaiver as well. Both are very bad and have lots of anime in them.
From all recommendations I agree with Made in Abyss and Black Lagoon. Probably Cowboy Bebop as well but I haven't seen it.
Recommendations from me: Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Monster, Ergo Proxy
On June 24 2018 10:39 BigFan wrote:
Should visit the football thread. You guys lucked out big time there. Sweden played too defensive even after the red. Lol at the burgers.
That's football for you. The sport sucks. The sweden burger is hilarious though.
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Sounds to me like you don't care as much about story, in the sense that you just want to see the characters perform. From that perspective, whether a story went to shit or not doesn't matter since the characters you like are still making appearances for various reasons.
Edit: football is great Miragee, you just have shit taste! haha.
PS I do like the sport ^^
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Diveball is as bad as Handegg
I refuse to watch any sport anime focusing on either of the two, which sucks because i'd have loved to check out eyeshield 21 since murata worked on it, but handegg is a snoozefest
Handball is the real superior ball based sport
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The two best sports are Tanks and Keijo
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On June 25 2018 08:19 Unleashing wrote:
Diveball is as bad as Handegg
I refuse to watch any sport anime focusing on either of the two, which sucks because i'd have loved to check out eyeshield 21 since murata worked on it, but handegg is a snoozefest
Handball is the real superior ball based sport
This man knows his shit.
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On June 25 2018 08:16 Unleashing wrote:The problem with later parts of dragon ball is that they just keep finding ways to wish everyone back and undo anything bad that happened, anything past namek is imo pretty awful and i wasn't even really a fan of the namek arc to begin with I believe an actual editor who worked on the series said that it was a mistake to continue to the series past namek and that it truly was just done for money reason, lol Show nested quote +On June 25 2018 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:
I think you do have a point about sports and shounen series.
Let's just say sports anime (or manga) is easily the genre I hate the most out of all the genres I could think of. I really can't watch or read that kind of stuff. Most of the "typical" shounen stuff I really can't stand either. Yeah I know it's not a genre but when people talk about HxH oder Boku No Hero Academia I don't get excited either because I generally speaking, really don't like those kind of shows.
So perhaps my take on it is just different because clearly I don't appreciate any of the things people who actually like sports manga/anime are looking for.
I honestly don't care about what is ruining the series for you and wether or not there's any real threat behind what's going on. For me it's just all about the characters, seeing them in those fights and outside of them and I'm happy about getting to see more of that than ever. Once again convinced that i should just avoid shows you like and watch stuff you dislike.
lol, calm down a little. People can like shows for different reasons. I'm more into the characters and seeing the battles in Souma than into why they're having the battles and you want a good story out of it. That's fine.
I mean I'm pretty sure we can find shows we both consider to be good.
What's your take on 3gatsu? Yuru Camp? Shirobako? Overlord (pretty sure you liked it although we also disagreed on what parts of it are more enjoyable)? All shows that are shit because I liked them? This is ridiculous
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The best sports show is Saki.
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idk man, if we're talking about shows that went to shit while being decent before Saki would be one of those I mention.
I just didn't need to see those girls in bikinis or swimsuits. I really didn't
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I thought Souma went downhill during the Election arc, but the Stagiaire arc turned out to be legitimately good. The moon banquet was forgettable. Then came Central, which was garbage. It's truly baffling that they thought Azami was a good direction for the story to go in. It didn't help that the arc took forever to resolve.
My biggest gripe is how they trivialized the entire cast. Literally nobody except Souma and Erina matter. Takumi was supposed to be a rival but he just became a jobber for no apparent reason. Hayama was kind of a rival until he became evil and got written out of the story in a handful of chapters. Megumi is probably the only character aside from the main duo who gets regular screentime, but even her parts became pretty irrelevant.
The outcome of these kinds of stories is often known far in advance. The MC will inevitably win 95% of the time. The trick is to present it in such a way that the battle is the focus, not the outcome. This is why rivalries work so well - it's about two parties trying to surpass each other, not about getting expelled or whatever bullshit the editor comes up with. Just look at Haikyuu - the real highlight of an arc isn't the victory, it's personal growth.
Dragon Ball has the same problem except it's even worse since they keep retreading the same ground.
As for Saki, it was good. Then Achiga murdered the story and Ritz got lazy with the art.
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On June 24 2018 00:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
This episode of BnHA had me in my feelings.
Last two eps were so good tbh.
Also did anyone else burst out laughing when + Show Spoiler + All Might yelled “United States of Smash”
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Imo that was anything but lame
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guys clear winner of the season is Megalobox
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Binged Kids on the Slope. Liked it. Opening song by yuki is amazing
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On June 25 2018 13:45 Spazer wrote:
I thought Souma went downhill during the Election arc, but the Stagiaire arc turned out to be legitimately good. The moon banquet was forgettable. Then came Central, which was garbage. It's truly baffling that they thought Azami was a good direction for the story to go in. It didn't help that the arc took forever to resolve.
My biggest gripe is how they trivialized the entire cast. Literally nobody except Souma and Erina matter. Takumi was supposed to be a rival but he just became a jobber for no apparent reason. Hayama was kind of a rival until he became evil and got written out of the story in a handful of chapters. Megumi is probably the only character aside from the main duo who gets regular screentime, but even her parts became pretty irrelevant.
The outcome of these kinds of stories is often known far in advance. The MC will inevitably win 95% of the time. The trick is to present it in such a way that the battle is the focus, not the outcome. This is why rivalries work so well - it's about two parties trying to surpass each other, not about getting expelled or whatever bullshit the editor comes up with. Just look at Haikyuu - the real highlight of an arc isn't the victory, it's personal growth.
Dragon Ball has the same problem except it's even worse since they keep retreading the same ground.
As for Saki, it was good. Then Achiga murdered the story and Ritz got lazy with the art.
I think you really hit the nail on the head there. Stagiarie arc worked so dam well partly because it wasn't about some victory over an external force but instead about personal growth. Getting to a point where he can create something that he couldn't before.
Haikyuu is great in that noone is really "evil". There are no bad guys to win over, it's all about different people trying their hardest to be the best. You can't help but feel a part of you rooting for the opposition at times, wanting them to achieve their goals.
It kind of saddens me that people actually enjoy this direction more than previously. I guess having cute girls really does make up for shit storytelling in most peoples eyes.
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On June 25 2018 22:34 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2018 13:45 Spazer wrote:
I thought Souma went downhill during the Election arc, but the Stagiaire arc turned out to be legitimately good. The moon banquet was forgettable. Then came Central, which was garbage. It's truly baffling that they thought Azami was a good direction for the story to go in. It didn't help that the arc took forever to resolve.
My biggest gripe is how they trivialized the entire cast. Literally nobody except Souma and Erina matter. Takumi was supposed to be a rival but he just became a jobber for no apparent reason. Hayama was kind of a rival until he became evil and got written out of the story in a handful of chapters. Megumi is probably the only character aside from the main duo who gets regular screentime, but even her parts became pretty irrelevant.
The outcome of these kinds of stories is often known far in advance. The MC will inevitably win 95% of the time. The trick is to present it in such a way that the battle is the focus, not the outcome. This is why rivalries work so well - it's about two parties trying to surpass each other, not about getting expelled or whatever bullshit the editor comes up with. Just look at Haikyuu - the real highlight of an arc isn't the victory, it's personal growth.
Dragon Ball has the same problem except it's even worse since they keep retreading the same ground.
As for Saki, it was good. Then Achiga murdered the story and Ritz got lazy with the art. I think you really hit the nail on the head there. Stagiarie arc worked so dam well partly because it wasn't about some victory over an external force but instead about personal growth. Getting to a point where he can create something that he couldn't before. Haikyuu is great in that noone is really "evil". There are no bad guys to win over, it's all about different people trying their hardest to be the best. You can't help but feel a part of you rooting for the opposition at times, wanting them to achieve their goals. It kind of saddens me that people actually enjoy this direction more than previously. I guess having cute girls really does make up for shit storytelling in most peoples eyes.
but this line
The outcome of these kinds of stories is often known far in advance. The MC will inevitably win 95% of the time. The trick is to present it in such a way that the battle is the focus, not the outcome.
is in essence exactly why I don't mind the current arc all that much despite Azami being garbage. The above is exactly what I meant. Sure Azami is garbage, there was absolutly no need for him and he's almost comically evil to the point that you just can't take him/the story seriously.
But I don't think a lot of people go into this because the story is such a mystery and "oh my god what will happen next". I at least got hooked on it exactly because I liked the battles, no matter how clear it was that they didn't matter because there's no way the MC is going to get killed/expelled and if he does they're going to gather the dragonballs and unexpell him.
The earlier notion that it just can't be fun because the viewer knows in advance that the MC will win because of the stakes and that it's impossible for the show to make the MC lose is just silly in my mind.
We all watched Keijo, we all watched One Punch Man and enjoyed those shows not because we went into them each week wondering "oh man, I wonder if Saitama loses against this evolution-beetle thingie" but because the fights were entertaining nontheless. Nothing else.
In that sense Azami and why they're having those fights is utterly irrelevant to me.
Now, if Spazer says that the other characters get even less screentime that's a big no-no for me. Idk if that's talking about the manga in the future or if that's his take on the current season but if it focuses more on (only) Souma that would be a severe downgrade for me. Like I said, the fact that they started using more of the characters right now and everyone getting screentime is what I like about it right now.
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I haven't watched the anime. I read the manga but dropped it roughly halfway through the regiment.
Azami sucks because he keeps showing up and wasting time. Every time a character loses he has to show his face and gloat about how they're expelled or whatever. Like holy shit, you can stop reminding me you're bad and evil, I got it the first time.
It's similar to the bad guy of the week killing a Z fighter in Dragon Ball. Everyone makes shocked faces for the hundredth time before Goku grimaces and says he has to win so that the dragon balls can revive everyone. Again.
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That didn't happen in the anime I think? Or maybe it's yet to come? Idk
+ Show Spoiler +basicly, the guy got introduced, obviously got some screentime in that episode and the flashback explaining the situation between Souma's dad and the other guys at the dorm during that time, which includes Azami. The students that did get expelled midtrip got expelled offscreen and we were told they lost and that's it. Now that we're in the Shokugeki itself Azami basicly gets like 5 seconds per episode for whatever vs the 20 minutes of Shokugeki. Like I said, I'm fine with that  It probably feels worse in the Manga in terms of "timewaste" simply because he would be getting an entire panel or even an entire page just to make that statement which is a lot more of the overall "pagespace" if you compare it to a 20minute anime series?
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