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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9062 Posts
June 23 2018 15:21 GMT
#126201
This episode of BnHA had me in my feelings.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 23 2018 17:01 GMT
#126202
Every BnHA ep gets the feels going lately it seems.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 23 2018 18:36 GMT
#126203
Toad, where you at bro?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/fifa-world-cup-2018/534499-group-f?page=22#429
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 23 2018 20:37 GMT
#126204
Danmachi 11 so far has been really good. About 2/3 of the way through it.
Never Knows Best.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 23 2018 22:21 GMT
#126205
On June 24 2018 03:36 BigFan wrote:
Toad, where you at bro?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/fifa-world-cup-2018/534499-group-f?page=22#429


on discord~

Elem - Yesterday at 7:23 PM
time to duke it out @Toad
Toad - Yesterday at 7:46 PM
indeed
@Elem
our McDonalds in Germany has special burgers for Korea, Mexico and Sweden right now. Look at this shit they made for sweden:
[image loading]

like... I get that you want to put some kind of fish on it because sweden but wtf is that. How are you even supposed to eat that
Elem - Yesterday at 7:49 PM
wtf lol
the other two look so fucking good
why does our suck lmfao
Toad - Yesterday at 7:49 PM
i have no idea lol
spazer - Yesterday at 7:56 PM
lmao
Toad - Yesterday at 8:32 PM
rip
Elem - Yesterday at 8:34 PM
YEEEEE
Toad - Yesterday at 9:06 PM
:AstolfoWink:
Neuer getting the ball pretty much at the center line
:3
rip indeed
we're basicly dead if it ends 1-1 because mexico is already 1st anyways and as long as sweden manages a tie vs them we're out :frowning:
Elem - Yesterday at 9:47 PM
#rigged
Toad - Yesterday at 9:49 PM
are you fucking kidding me
Elem - Yesterday at 9:50 PM
holy sxhit
Toad - Yesterday at 9:52 PM
FUCK YES
OMG
what a goal
Elem - Yesterday at 9:53 PM
FUCK
Toad - Yesterday at 10:21 PM
oh, guy has a broken nose oO
idr who it was
Rudy
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 24 2018 01:39 GMT
#126206
Should visit the football thread. You guys lucked out big time there. Sweden played too defensive even after the red. Lol at the burgers.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-24 02:05:00
June 24 2018 02:01 GMT
#126207
On June 24 2018 10:39 BigFan wrote:
Should visit the football thread. You guys lucked out big time there. Sweden played too defensive even after the red. Lol at the burgers.

We lucked out? 🤔
The goalpost almost saved them again

I'd call that pretty even if we're just talking luck here.

(Also I'm actually half ger half swe so I pretty much got into it neutral and would be happy no matter who won as long as Korea doesn't get out of the group)
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-24 20:50:37
June 24 2018 20:49 GMT
#126208
Shokugeki no Souma singlehandedly saving this shit season. What a show.
Sadly no splitcour confirmed just yet (or if they did they cut it out in the version I got)
[image loading]

I mean, this needs a continuation. I haven't checked out the manga yet because even after asking in here about it earlier I figured I'd at least wait out this season but already some weeks ago it became really obvious, even to those that don't know the source, that the season would have to stop mid-shokugeki unless they really rush it out.
So I honestly almost was expecting that split-season announcement at the end of this episode. Let's see if there's more info on that later on.
If there won't be any information I'm going to start to worry about this. With the new VA for Erina stating that she's leaving Japan to study abroad for some time it's getting tricky. Obviously Taneda Risa is back now so there's always the option to bring her back (PLEEEEEEASE) but I don't see that happening unless it gets announced soonish.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-24 21:51:58
June 24 2018 21:51 GMT
#126209
How can it be show of the season when the content it cover is literal garbage? The stuff that follows azami's introduction is literal garbage and turned a great series into something below mediocre

Do cute girls make your brain ignore how shit everything else became?
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 24 2018 21:53 GMT
#126210
On June 24 2018 11:01 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2018 10:39 BigFan wrote:
Should visit the football thread. You guys lucked out big time there. Sweden played too defensive even after the red. Lol at the burgers.

We lucked out? 🤔
The goalpost almost saved them again

I'd call that pretty even if we're just talking luck here.

(Also I'm actually half ger half swe so I pretty much got into it neutral and would be happy no matter who won as long as Korea doesn't get out of the group)

hehe fair enough. + Show Spoiler +
Meant the free kick right before the game was about to finish.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 24 2018 21:58 GMT
#126211
On June 25 2018 06:51 Unleashing wrote:
How can it be show of the season when the content it cover is literal garbage? The stuff that follows azami's introduction is literal garbage and turned a great series into something below mediocre

Do cute girls make your brain ignore how shit everything else became?

Yes
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-24 22:25:16
June 24 2018 22:23 GMT
#126212
On June 25 2018 06:51 Unleashing wrote:
How can it be show of the season when the content it cover is literal garbage? The stuff that follows azami's introduction is literal garbage and turned a great series into something below mediocre

Do cute girls make your brain ignore how shit everything else became?

I've had this discussion with Numy already. I agree that azami as a character is shit and that he's absolutely unneeded and thus the reason why they're having that shokugeki is just stupid.
But the battle itself is still hype as fuck, even if you don't like why they're having it in the first place. I'm getting to see all those characters I've only heard about finally step inside the ring themselves (isshiki last episode still best).
I'm just happy to see them fight against the elite ten and in a team battle with shittons of fanservice to boot. Both the lewd (duh) as well as the non-lewd (Erina meeting Souma's dad and her reaction to all that for example).
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-24 22:29:34
June 24 2018 22:29 GMT
#126213
On June 25 2018 06:51 Unleashing wrote:
How can it be show of the season when the content it cover is literal garbage? The stuff that follows azami's introduction is literal garbage and turned a great series into something below mediocre

Do cute girls make your brain ignore how shit everything else became?


+ Show Spoiler +
But.. but...we havent even gotten to Onsen Ryorii Tantei Souma yet..
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 24 2018 22:30 GMT
#126214
This season is was great. FMP carries it
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-24 22:43:53
June 24 2018 22:35 GMT
#126215
On June 25 2018 07:23 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2018 06:51 Unleashing wrote:
How can it be show of the season when the content it cover is literal garbage? The stuff that follows azami's introduction is literal garbage and turned a great series into something below mediocre

Do cute girls make your brain ignore how shit everything else became?

I've had this discussion with Numy already. I agree that azami as a character is shit and that he's absolutely unneeded and thus the reason why they're having that shokugeki is just stupid.
But the battle itself is still hype as fuck, even if you don't like why they're having it in the first place. I'm getting to see all those characters I've only heard about finally step inside the ring themselves (isshiki last episode still best).
I'm just happy to see them fight against the elite ten and in a team battle with shittons of fanservice to boot. Both the lewd (duh) as well as the non-lewd (Erina meeting Souma's dad and her reaction to all that for example).

How can the battles be hype as fuck when the show is so predictable that you know how every match ends before it begins? Of course a story is typically not gonna have the main characters lose if the loss means that the story ends, however despite this fact being predictable you can still have high risk battles in a story as long as you don't overuse it. But when you have 2 yers worth of chapters back to back where basically every chapter is "OH MY GOD IF THE GOOD GUYS LOSE THE STORY ENDS, WILL THEY WIN?" it becomes so fucking boring. It has nothing to do with not liking why they're happening, the battles themselves aren't good or interesting because the show does a piss poor job making anything that happens exciting.

The stakes have been too high for too long to the point where nothing about what's happening is exciting or even moderately interesting. The best part of the show was a tournament where nothing in particular was at stake.

Souma after azami is a horrible mess and this arc that came after the azami arc is looking to continue being shit. I was really hoping the series was gonna become good again but i'm guessing the author just ran out of ideas of how to make the story interesting.

Edit: if i come across as angry it's because i am angry about this series, i really fucking loved this series and i'm angry about how much it went to shit
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-24 22:46:04
June 24 2018 22:44 GMT
#126216
I think my main problem was that it shifted from improving at cooking as the main goal to some other random "these guys are evil!!!". That just drastically lowered quality of everything. Characters become bland one dimensional due to this change. It's a pity. He didn't need to do any of this, there were perfectly valid motivations for all the characters before that point with good points of tension. I wonder if it was the editors forcing the change more than author. Sounds like classic shounen must have bad guys mantra.

It sucks since I really enjoyed Souma but just completely lost interest in it after it shifted. Tonal shifts can work well in a series but they have to elevate it with a purpose in mind. This just made it so much more generic.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
June 24 2018 22:52 GMT
#126217
It doesn't get better numy, the new arc's bad guy is + Show Spoiler +
literally someone who is the equivalent of a part of the mafia, working for people that literally kill eachother if their cooking isn't up to par or actually enslave people that lose to them

it's so fucking idiotic
gone is the story about becoming a better chef and here is a story about kids fighting evil with the power of cooking
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-24 22:56:33
June 24 2018 22:52 GMT
#126218
On June 25 2018 07:35 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2018 07:23 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 25 2018 06:51 Unleashing wrote:
How can it be show of the season when the content it cover is literal garbage? The stuff that follows azami's introduction is literal garbage and turned a great series into something below mediocre

Do cute girls make your brain ignore how shit everything else became?

I've had this discussion with Numy already. I agree that azami as a character is shit and that he's absolutely unneeded and thus the reason why they're having that shokugeki is just stupid.
But the battle itself is still hype as fuck, even if you don't like why they're having it in the first place. I'm getting to see all those characters I've only heard about finally step inside the ring themselves (isshiki last episode still best).
I'm just happy to see them fight against the elite ten and in a team battle with shittons of fanservice to boot. Both the lewd (duh) as well as the non-lewd (Erina meeting Souma's dad and her reaction to all that for example).

How can the battles be hype as fuck when the show is so predictable that you know how every match ends before it begins? Of course a story is typically not gonna have the main characters lose if the loss means that the story ends, however despite this fact being predictable you can still have high risk battles in a story as long as you don't overuse it. But when you have 2 yers worth of chapters back to back where basically every chapter is "OH MY GOD IF THE GOOD GUYS LOSE THE STORY ENDS, WILL THEY WIN?" it becomes so fucking boring. It has nothing to do with not liking why they're happening, the battles themselves aren't good or interesting because the show does a piss poor job making anything that happens exciting.

The stakes have been too high for too long to the point where nothing about what's happening is exciting or even moderately interesting. The best part of the show was a tournament where nothing in particular was at stake.

Souma after azami is a horrible mess and this arc that came after the azami arc is looking to continue being shit. I was really hoping the series was gonna become good again but i'm guessing the author just ran out of ideas of how to make the story interesting.


isn't that basicly saying that most shounen shows should not work? I know there are exceptions but if Goku loses (or his son if we think Cell-arc) the world/the galaxy/the universe will be destroyed and all is over. We all know that that it's not going to end with him dead and a "The End" and yet there are people who enjoy those shows.
I just picked Dragonball randomly but we can name a hundred shows that are like that and you know it yourself.
The difference certainly is in how those battles are done themselves and not how believeable they are. And I just don't see that going downhill so far.

The cast is really good and seeing them all get screentime now is a plus for me. Season1+2 was basicly just Souma getting better and fighting by himself while we're having these people presented to us and being told "yeah sure, he might stand a chance vs these other first-years but these guys here are in a completly different league" or something along those lines.
It's become much more of a show where everyone ends up with some screentime and some moment to shine whereas previously it just wasn't that for me at all despite me liking most if not all of the characters.
So yeah, I still agree that Azami is shit but I'm liking where it's going.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-24 23:09:52
June 24 2018 23:04 GMT
#126219
On June 25 2018 07:52 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2018 07:35 Unleashing wrote:
On June 25 2018 07:23 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 25 2018 06:51 Unleashing wrote:
How can it be show of the season when the content it cover is literal garbage? The stuff that follows azami's introduction is literal garbage and turned a great series into something below mediocre

Do cute girls make your brain ignore how shit everything else became?

I've had this discussion with Numy already. I agree that azami as a character is shit and that he's absolutely unneeded and thus the reason why they're having that shokugeki is just stupid.
But the battle itself is still hype as fuck, even if you don't like why they're having it in the first place. I'm getting to see all those characters I've only heard about finally step inside the ring themselves (isshiki last episode still best).
I'm just happy to see them fight against the elite ten and in a team battle with shittons of fanservice to boot. Both the lewd (duh) as well as the non-lewd (Erina meeting Souma's dad and her reaction to all that for example).

How can the battles be hype as fuck when the show is so predictable that you know how every match ends before it begins? Of course a story is typically not gonna have the main characters lose if the loss means that the story ends, however despite this fact being predictable you can still have high risk battles in a story as long as you don't overuse it. But when you have 2 yers worth of chapters back to back where basically every chapter is "OH MY GOD IF THE GOOD GUYS LOSE THE STORY ENDS, WILL THEY WIN?" it becomes so fucking boring. It has nothing to do with not liking why they're happening, the battles themselves aren't good or interesting because the show does a piss poor job making anything that happens exciting.

The stakes have been too high for too long to the point where nothing about what's happening is exciting or even moderately interesting. The best part of the show was a tournament where nothing in particular was at stake.

Souma after azami is a horrible mess and this arc that came after the azami arc is looking to continue being shit. I was really hoping the series was gonna become good again but i'm guessing the author just ran out of ideas of how to make the story interesting.


isn't that basicly saying that most shounen shows should not work? I know there are exceptions but if Goku loses (or his son if we think Cell-arc) the world/the galaxy/the universe will be destroyed and all is over. We all know that that it's not going to end with him dead and a "The End" and yet there are people who enjoy those shows.
I just picked Dragonball randomly but we can name a hundred shows that are like that and you know it yourself.
The difference certainly is in how those battles are done themselves and not how believeable they are. And I just don't see that going downhill so far.

The cast is really good and seeing them all get screentime now is a plus for me. Season1+2 was basicly just Souma getting better and fighting by himself while we're having these people presented to us and being told "yeah sure, he might stand a chance vs these other first-years but these guys here are in a completly different league" or something along those lines.
It's become much more of a show where everyone ends up with some screentime and some moment to shine whereas previously it just wasn't that for me at all.
So yeah, I still agree that Azami is shit but I'm liking where it's going.

Plenty of stories are about high-stake events, and yeah that's very common in shounen stories too. However you also need to be able to handle said high stake events well, the souma author definitely isn't able to do that.
Originally the show started out with often using the being expelled condition but it handled it decently well to begin with and also had parts of its story that weren't about this (the tournament or the lectures). This is an important and key part of making those following battles feel engaging.
However for the entirety of the azami arc this is no longer true, there isn't any coming back from a loss, the story as numy puts it changed its tone entirely. If they lose the story ends and someone who's comically evil wins and there's no going back from there.
Hell there aren't even any consequences in this souma arc, if the main characters win there are no consequences, there are no potential losses. Often in high stakes stories there are character deaths, there are various things that could be lost even if the good guy wins. But as long as souma and friends keep winning, as they have to because the story demands it, literally everything bad that could happen to them is not something that could even happen. When they win they can reverse anything bad that might've happened along the way (like some people getting expelled).
You picked dragon ball and that's fine for me, because it's a great example of the same thing. Early dragon ball didn't always have high stakes for everything that happened, things used to be of a smaller scale and wasn't constantly world-ending high stakes but eventually developed into specifically that. And i think that turned the series into shit there as well. Early dragonball is to me pretty great while later parts of dragon ball are boring, dull and unengaging.

Souma is essentially a sports manga using cooking as its sport. Look at haikyuu to have a sports anime to compare it to and you can see a series that has high stakes on a character-personal level where things feel exciting and things can go wrong for the main characters. Recent souma has been 2+ years of predictably trite shit that is anything but interesting.

Basically: High stakes storytelling needs to be handled well if you want it to engage your readers. Souma was anything but engaging or interesting for the past 2 years. Seeing characters get screentime isn't somehow gonna undo how fucking garbage the story is. All the more personal stuff and character motivations kind of went out the fucking window so that our main characters could fight food-satan. It's such a shitty tonal shift.

For another shounen story you can look to hero academia which just had some super high stakes stuff happening in its anime but manages to actually handle it well.

People would literally accurately predict the events of souma chapters months ahead of it happening consistently for the past few years. How fucking exciting.
The fact that you're enjoying this part of the souma series seemingly more than what came before makes me more confident that if you're calling a season shit then it truly must be a great season.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 24 2018 23:13 GMT
#126220
Also Goku loses from time to time
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
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