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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 28 2017 00:21 GMT
#123701
people in here tend to have an aversion for movies for some reason. Movies are great, more of them is always good so yeah I'll take movie over 2nd season as well but idk which one it'll be
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
November 28 2017 00:25 GMT
#123702
The reason people aren't keen on movies in general is because of how long it can take before it's actually available to watch for the average person

I like movies, i just don't like waiting for them to finally come out
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
November 28 2017 01:03 GMT
#123703
Well if they keep developing the western market we can get more and more movies showing and out faster.
Never Knows Best.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8657 Posts
November 28 2017 01:10 GMT
#123704
On November 28 2017 09:25 Unleashing wrote:
The reason people aren't keen on movies in general is because of how long it can take before it's actually available to watch for the average person

I like movies, i just don't like waiting for them to finally come out


This. I don't have problems with movies in general, especially not anime movies. Heck, like half of my 10/10's for anime are movies. However, the other reason is that, if a movie adapts some sort of source, it's often cutting stuff out to make it fit the length of a movie. What Lackbleeder said eases my mind quite a bit. If the next arc naturally fits movie length I'm fine with a movie as well.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-28 01:51:41
November 28 2017 01:38 GMT
#123705
in my experience movies are way better at adapting source material than single cour seasons. Yeah sure, 12x20 minutes (something like that because of 3minutes OP+ED I think?) makes for more runtime overall but movies have the advantage of being just one big thing without cuts or anything inbetween.
So I always get the feeling that the movie cuts less than a season would because they can just tell one, big story rather than be bound by that 12x20 minute formular
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
November 28 2017 01:57 GMT
#123706
My experience with anime movies is the exact opposite, with movie versions cutting out tons of shit that the anime version had
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 28 2017 02:00 GMT
#123707
I'm not a huge fan of movies either. Not sure why, might be because I actually prefer episodes to a full length movie even if the movie is still shorter overall than a single cour. Also, more time means higher possibility of adapting the source better (more scenes, less cuts etc...).
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-28 02:19:45
November 28 2017 02:19 GMT
#123708
Majority of the times when it comes to anime series, I just want to get the product now and on a weekly basis rather than deal with a movie that will ultimately barely affect what's happening in the story and just take a long ass time. I can tolerate koe no katachi, your name, perfect blue, and etc being just movies cause there isn't a series for them but when it comes to like Movies that already had a series that's based on some original source, I want product now. Also, series covers more part of the source than a movie.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8657 Posts
November 28 2017 02:24 GMT
#123709
On November 28 2017 10:57 Sentenal wrote:
My experience with anime movies is the exact opposite, with movie versions cutting out tons of shit that the anime version had


Yeah this. Anime shows tend to adapt more panel by panel compared to movies in my experience.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
November 28 2017 02:24 GMT
#123710
The only instances I can think of where the movie version is worth it are the original Gundam Trilogy (because its a 3 movies..., and even then IMO its only arguable that its better than the TV series), Nanoha the 1st Movie, and Break Blade (because again, 6 movies does a lot better than 12 episodes)
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 28 2017 02:34 GMT
#123711
i wouldn't watch a movie remake of a series that already aired some time ago (madoka movies 1-2 I never watched despite me loving it), movie 3 was pretty great though . Yes I know, it's anime-original. The point was on remakes vs anime-original.

I would agree that a 1-cour season covers more but like I said, at least in my experience the stuff it DOES cover is adapted worse due to constraints of 12x20minute. Weird cuts of source to fit everything into an episode rather than having the freedom to manage it reasonably elsewhere.

Also, the movie experience is obviously better than watching it at home if it's something you really like and actually went ahead to watch RL
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
November 28 2017 02:37 GMT
#123712
The only time movies do it better is either if the anime itself was light on content, or if its several movies. "Weird" cuts>>>>Content cut
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
November 28 2017 02:43 GMT
#123713
Yea when they cover a lot of content they can jam in a lot.

But doing lets say what they did with Kizu and Heaven's Feel where they are doing 3 movies it works pretty well.
Never Knows Best.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 28 2017 02:51 GMT
#123714
i mean, like I said. I don't think I can think of a movie that didn't work for me:

Madoka #3 was great because anime original. Arguably that might have also worked in series format but I liked it
Kizu1-3 was obviously amazing, especially if you watch it all in one go and have a good... what was it... 4 hours of movie?
NGNL recently fit the movie format so much better than a series ever could. That vol was basicly made for movie format with them being able to focus on just that, nice fights with jibril that had way more quality (not the ironic usage) than a series could ever deliver

so I haven't really had a bad experience with movies yet. Aside from that BL gundam movie
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8657 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-28 02:58:41
November 28 2017 02:52 GMT
#123715
On November 28 2017 11:34 Toadesstern wrote:
i wouldn't watch a movie remake of a series that already aired some time ago (madoka movies 1-2 I never watched despite me loving it), movie 3 was pretty great though . Yes I know, it's anime-original. The point was on remakes vs anime-original.

I would agree that a 1-cour season covers more but like I said, at least in my experience the stuff it DOES cover is adapted worse due to constraints of 12x20minute. Weird cuts of source to fit everything into an episode rather than having the freedom to manage it reasonably elsewhere.

Also, the movie experience is obviously better than watching it at home if it's something you really like and actually went ahead to watch RL


Funnily enough I thought Madoka's third movie was a lot worse than the series. I also agree with Sent that I prefer weird cuts over lots of content cuts. It takes a lot from the experience. Let's take Akira for example. It's a good movie but nothing more. Why? Because it left out the entire, arguably most interesting, middle part of the source... I think the movie was way better at presenting the story in a coherent manner but it doesn't help when it in turn leaves out lots of interesting world-building... I don't know if a 1-cour could have done it justice but it could have covered about double as much of the source, which would have helped quite a bit.

I'm not really a fan of theaters so the last point is moot for me.

//I just scanned through my MAL and realised that almost all of the movies I rated 8 and above are originals. The only ones that are adaptions are the ones that could adapt the whole thing without cutting anything: Nausicaä (obviously the manga was only written to enable Miyazaki to make a movie), Mimi wo Sumaseba (very short manga, I suppose lots of original content in the movie) and Kino no Tabi: Life goes on. I suppose the original Ghost in the Shell counts as an adaption but I would rather call it an interpretation if that makes sense?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-28 03:27:18
November 28 2017 03:13 GMT
#123716
my point was that in the movies I've seen so far it's both better in the movies

1) less weird cuts as well as
2) less content cuts

So imo movies are better in both since they tend to focus on just one thing. They cover less source overall but they do the thing they cover in more detail and better executed as long as we're not talking about recap movies or an already existing series made again into a movie.

I'd agree that the madoka movie was worse than the series but that was the nature of reviving a finished product rather than the format itself. The movie looked way better than the series, the plot was just shit
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
November 28 2017 03:45 GMT
#123717
Less content cuts is just objectively false, though. If you ever have an instance where there is an anime series of X, and also a movie verison of X, then the anime series will always have more content because even a paltry 12 episodes has more time than an 2 hour movie. The only exception to this is when you start stacking on multiple movies on top of each other, or if its Nanoha the 1st Movie (but thats more because Nanoha s1 was pretty meh)
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-28 04:34:09
November 28 2017 04:24 GMT
#123718
On November 28 2017 12:45 Sentenal wrote:
Less content cuts is just objectively false, though. If you ever have an instance where there is an anime series of X, and also a movie verison of X, then the anime series will always have more content because even a paltry 12 episodes has more time than an 2 hour movie. The only exception to this is when you start stacking on multiple movies on top of each other, or if its Nanoha the 1st Movie (but thats more because Nanoha s1 was pretty meh)

no, to make this as easy to understand as possible after having tried to explain this 3 times in a row already because what I mean with that apparently still hasn't gotten to you guys:

LN series adapted into series:
2-4 vols made into a 1cour series

LN series adapted into a movie:
1-2 vols made into one movie

that's been my experience so far with movies and what I mean with "movies do what they focus on more in detail".
Hell, Kizu was 3 movies for 1 vol
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8657 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-28 04:42:02
November 28 2017 04:41 GMT
#123719
No offense, but according to your MAL you watched like 10 movies. That's not a large sample size in my opinion. Especially when includes stuff like Kizumonogatari that fits Sents "The only exception to this is when you start stacking on multiple movies on top of each other"-point. Yes Monogatari might be a different story. Nobody was talking about production values like animation because its obvious that a movie will do better than a series.
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
November 28 2017 04:47 GMT
#123720
On November 28 2017 13:24 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2017 12:45 Sentenal wrote:
Less content cuts is just objectively false, though. If you ever have an instance where there is an anime series of X, and also a movie verison of X, then the anime series will always have more content because even a paltry 12 episodes has more time than an 2 hour movie. The only exception to this is when you start stacking on multiple movies on top of each other, or if its Nanoha the 1st Movie (but thats more because Nanoha s1 was pretty meh)

no, to make this as easy to understand as possible after having tried to explain this 3 times in a row already because what I mean with that apparently still hasn't gotten to you guys:

LN series adapted into series:
2-4 vols made into a 1cour series

LN series adapted into a movie:
1-2 vols made into one movie

that's been my experience so far with movies and what I mean with "movies do what they focus on more in detail".
Hell, Kizu was 3 movies for 1 vol

Sounds like, "the only 3 movies I've ever watched were very well paced and better in a movie format because 1. it was anime original so it was obviously paced for a movie, and 2. adapted 1 volume into 3 movies equivalent to a 1 cour season, and 3. idk, fuck ngnl."

In short, I basically agree with everyone else. Movies tend to suck because 1. they take forever to come out for the western world to see, 2. are usually just recap of an anime series, 3. depending on how they make it, can cut out a lot of shit, or drag it out so long you wonder how it's even a movie (ie: 6x 1hr movies released 3-6months apart). But mostly #1.
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