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On July 04 2017 19:34 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2017 16:26 felisconcolori wrote:
Strange. I'm reading the Vertical released translation of Bakemonogatari, and although its all English, I'm "hearing" the voices as if they are the same VAs as in the anime. Pretty standard when you read a book after watching adaption of it. Most prominent I've experienced is lord of the rings. Just can't not see and hear all the actors. Some say it distorts the enjoyment of a read as you have preconceived ideas of the characters but I'm a bit more up in the air on it.
What seem strange to me, though, is the English/Japanese crossover. I've never heard those VAs speaking English fluently, and yet it sounds in my head as if they are. (Except when it comes to names, which while written in the western First - Family name order, I'm reading instead in the Japanese Family - Given order.)
That and occasionally I stop and think "Wait, would it actually sound like that?"
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Finished Gunbuster yesterday. Yeah, definitely not my thing. The story-telling was way too hasty, characters were bland, the fights were mostly uninspired. I also didn't enjoy the silly stuff, such as the fanservice, mechas doing push-ups and stuff etc. Animation and sound were good though.
Started Usagi Drop today. I liked the first episode and especially the fact that they didn't need many words for the two main characters to get to know each other. They were both simply observing the other one most of the time.
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Gunbuster fights were uninspired? smh, they were amazing.
Also the only thing you need to know about usagi drop is to ignore the manga and be happy with the anime, i'm 100% serious, don't let your curiosity get the better of you, you're better off just not knowing how the manga ended/continues the story.
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On July 05 2017 07:51 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2017 19:34 Numy wrote:On July 04 2017 16:26 felisconcolori wrote:
Strange. I'm reading the Vertical released translation of Bakemonogatari, and although its all English, I'm "hearing" the voices as if they are the same VAs as in the anime. Pretty standard when you read a book after watching adaption of it. Most prominent I've experienced is lord of the rings. Just can't not see and hear all the actors. Some say it distorts the enjoyment of a read as you have preconceived ideas of the characters but I'm a bit more up in the air on it. What seem strange to me, though, is the English/Japanese crossover. I've never heard those VAs speaking English fluently, and yet it sounds in my head as if they are. (Except when it comes to names, which while written in the western First - Family name order, I'm reading instead in the Japanese Family - Given order.) That and occasionally I stop and think "Wait, would it actually sound like that?"
When you watching anime with subs do you actively think they speaking Japanese? I find it forms this weird blend in my brain of not registering they're speaking a foreign language and instead the words that I'm reading. Could be this just transfers over to reading the novel.
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On July 05 2017 22:16 Miragee wrote:
Finished Gunbuster yesterday. Yeah, definitely not my thing. The story-telling was way too hasty, characters were bland, the fights were mostly uninspired. I also didn't enjoy the silly stuff, such as the fanservice, mechas doing push-ups and stuff etc. Animation and sound were good though.
Started Usagi Drop today. I liked the first episode and especially the fact that they didn't need many words for the two main characters to get to know each other. They were both simply observing the other one most of the time.
Too hasty? Characters bland? Fights uninspired?? lol its been a while since I've gotten this triggered, my hats off to you, Miragee!
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On July 05 2017 22:43 Unleashing wrote:
Gunbuster fights were uninspired? smh, they were amazing.
Also the only thing you need to know about usagi drop is to ignore the manga and be happy with the anime, i'm 100% serious, don't let your curiosity get the better of you, you're better off just not knowing how the manga ended/continues the story.
Eh, if throwing beams through space with the result of dozens of white circles appearing on the screen is an amazing fight to you then ok. I thought some of the duels in the mecha were nice, at least animation-wise. But what they actually did was rather funny. Why would you block a sword hit directly with the hands? That makes no sense. I also couldn't take any of the "OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNDER KIIICKUUUU" seriously at all. Sorry.
About Usagi Drop: I didn't spoil myself so far but after tons of people have said this I can put 1 and 1 together and assume what's going to happen in the manga...
On July 05 2017 23:11 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2017 22:16 Miragee wrote:
Finished Gunbuster yesterday. Yeah, definitely not my thing. The story-telling was way too hasty, characters were bland, the fights were mostly uninspired. I also didn't enjoy the silly stuff, such as the fanservice, mechas doing push-ups and stuff etc. Animation and sound were good though.
Started Usagi Drop today. I liked the first episode and especially the fact that they didn't need many words for the two main characters to get to know each other. They were both simply observing the other one most of the time. Too hasty? Characters bland? Fights uninspired?? lol its been a while since I've gotten this triggered, my hats off to you, Miragee!
You're welcome!
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On July 05 2017 23:22 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2017 22:43 Unleashing wrote:
Gunbuster fights were uninspired? smh, they were amazing.
Also the only thing you need to know about usagi drop is to ignore the manga and be happy with the anime, i'm 100% serious, don't let your curiosity get the better of you, you're better off just not knowing how the manga ended/continues the story. Eh, if throwing beams through space with the result of dozens of white circles appearing on the screen is an amazing fight to you then ok.
It's easy to just reduce something down like this to make it sound dumb. The most iconic fights of gunbuster were in no way just a beam going through space creating explosions.
Gunbuster is also from the 80s and to call it uninspired is just wrong, a lot of things were popuralized by gunbuster precisely because it was so successful that others wanted to utilize those aspects.
A lot of mecha anime made after gunbuster have homages to it. It's also imo no doubt Anno's best work.
Diebuster was also great and a good sequel even if i don't think it was just as good.
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On July 05 2017 23:34 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2017 23:22 Miragee wrote:On July 05 2017 22:43 Unleashing wrote:
Gunbuster fights were uninspired? smh, they were amazing.
Also the only thing you need to know about usagi drop is to ignore the manga and be happy with the anime, i'm 100% serious, don't let your curiosity get the better of you, you're better off just not knowing how the manga ended/continues the story. Eh, if throwing beams through space with the result of dozens of white circles appearing on the screen is an amazing fight to you then ok. It's easy to just reduce something down like this to make it sound dumb. The most iconic fights of gunbuster were in no way just a beam going through space creating explosions. Gunbuster is also from the 80s and to call it uninspired is just wrong, a lot of things were popuralized by gunbuster precisely because it was so successful that others wanted to utilize those aspects. A lot of mecha anime made after gunbuster have homages to it. It's also imo no doubt Anno's best work.
This argument doens't work on Miragee. Remember when he said Yu Yu Hakusho was generic? I think he just can't appreciate most older anime.
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Yu Yu is pretty generic but only because it's viewed out of context with 20 years of anime copying it. If it was your first viewing of the formula it would be the tits.
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On July 05 2017 23:38 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2017 23:34 Unleashing wrote:On July 05 2017 23:22 Miragee wrote:On July 05 2017 22:43 Unleashing wrote:
Gunbuster fights were uninspired? smh, they were amazing.
Also the only thing you need to know about usagi drop is to ignore the manga and be happy with the anime, i'm 100% serious, don't let your curiosity get the better of you, you're better off just not knowing how the manga ended/continues the story. Eh, if throwing beams through space with the result of dozens of white circles appearing on the screen is an amazing fight to you then ok. It's easy to just reduce something down like this to make it sound dumb. The most iconic fights of gunbuster were in no way just a beam going through space creating explosions. Gunbuster is also from the 80s and to call it uninspired is just wrong, a lot of things were popuralized by gunbuster precisely because it was so successful that others wanted to utilize those aspects. A lot of mecha anime made after gunbuster have homages to it. It's also imo no doubt Anno's best work. This argument doens't work on Miragee. Remember when he said Yu Yu Hakusho was generic? I think he just can't appreciate most older anime.
Yeah no, the age has nothing to do with it. Apparently you can have fantastic writing for both story and characters, like LotGH proves. Because it was possible (and why wouldn't it) I apply the same measures of criticism towards old and new work. Only because something is old it doesn't get a free pass on something like plot or characters, sorry. Same with Yu Yu Hakashu. Only because new anime copy and repeat the same stuff I don't like again and again doesn't make the anime who did it first better. If anything, it makes the newer ones worse. If that makes sense.
On July 05 2017 23:34 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2017 23:22 Miragee wrote:On July 05 2017 22:43 Unleashing wrote:
Gunbuster fights were uninspired? smh, they were amazing.
Also the only thing you need to know about usagi drop is to ignore the manga and be happy with the anime, i'm 100% serious, don't let your curiosity get the better of you, you're better off just not knowing how the manga ended/continues the story. Eh, if throwing beams through space with the result of dozens of white circles appearing on the screen is an amazing fight to you then ok. It's easy to just reduce something down like this to make it sound dumb. The most iconic fights of gunbuster were in no way just a beam going through space creating explosions. Gunbuster is also from the 80s and to call it uninspired is just wrong, a lot of things were popuralized by gunbuster precisely because it was so successful that others wanted to utilize those aspects. A lot of mecha anime made after gunbuster have homages to it. It's also imo no doubt Anno's best work. Diebuster was also great and a good sequel even if i don't think it was just as good.
Again, why should I like something because it populralised stuff I don't like? I don't particularly like the mecha genre simply because the fights bore me to no end. If Gunbuster set the precedent for that, I'm not sure why I should like it. I think it's uninspired now and it was uninspired back then.
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Well that either just makes you wrong, or it means you are using "uninspired" incorrectly. Or both!
I bet if LogH had 100 copy-cat anime come out in the decades since it came out, you wouldn't be so positive on it. But for better or worse, LOGH is like one of the only anime of its sort out there, so no way it would feel "uninspired" to someone with only a taste for modern, CGI harem SOL Isekai anime.
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Uninspired means that a piece of work lacks originality or imagination, how the hell can gunbuster lack originality if it was the first to do a lot of the things it popuralized?
I'm not saying you should like it, infact you can dislike it all you want, i don't really care. But it'd be like calling frankenstein uninspired just because its themes were copied to hell and back because it was one of the absolutely first pieces of scifi made, which makes no sense, how can the first person to do a thing be uninspired?
Any genre defining piece of work is going to age differently than most other stories would, by virtue of the things it started becoming commonplace and no longer unique or new.
I mean look at something like Urusei Yatsura(from the 70s) and then look at how many series have copied that concept afterwards. It'd be unfair to Rumiko Takahashi to call her work generic and uninspired just because people decided to copy it a thousand times afterwards.
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I liked both Gunbuster and YYH but I can see where he's coming from. Given, I think it's extremely important to also consider the context of something. Being the first anime to do 'something' and having other anime mimic it is a sign of success. You may not like what that something is but obviously, there's a lot more people who did seeing as it got popularized from that instance and has become the usual.
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btw Numy, for you: Netsuzou TRap – NTR
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Would numy be interested in a show where the main character is scum who cheats on her SO? I personally can't sympathize or be interested in the troubles of a MC like that.
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That's disgusting. If you aren't satisfied with your relationship then have a proper discussion with your partner. Don't go cheating on them. Freaking love triangles fuck up everything, NTR is just extension of that shitfest going shitter.
I can sympathize with the circumstances that bring someone into a position where there look elsewhere than their relationship for satisfaction but if they don't go internalize and try deal with it then I lose it all. Like a wife that is getting zero attention from her husband toying with the idea of seeing someone else. I get that. If she tries to discuss her issues with him but he doesn't care then maybe it's time to move on. There's nuance to play with in those kind of situations at least.
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I haven't checked it out yet but I thought the NTR thing wasn't actually NTR? At least that's what people kept claiming when they talked about it
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She's still in a relationship with her boyfriend and stays in a relationship with him while continuing to cheat on him.
I'm not sure how it's not NTR/cheating.
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On July 06 2017 02:27 Toadesstern wrote:
I haven't checked it out yet but I thought the NTR thing wasn't actually NTR? At least that's what people keeped claiming when they talked about it
Dunno, I haven't watched it and don't plan to but the only thing I read is that + Show Spoiler +Some boy and girl are together at first and the girl ends up together with another girl instead.
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Feels odd that I cringed when reading Netsuzou TRap wiki/synopsis but didn't bat a lash with Kuzu no Honkai.
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