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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28104 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-18 08:21:11
July 18 2016 08:13 GMT
#113701
On July 18 2016 16:06 felisconcolori wrote:
I really need more airtime in ReZero.

I'm sure you will have your moment!

rezero ep16 + Show Spoiler +
tbh I don't mind Subaru. I mean I dislike annoying/useless people but in the context of the show it seems to fit. Unless he never ends up growing or learning from his mistakes, then it's just annoying. We will see how it plays out I guess.

I just hope Rem has a happy ending or I'm going to cry for a week

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felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-18 08:42:25
July 18 2016 08:41 GMT
#113702
On July 18 2016 16:18 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2016 14:18 Nezgar wrote:
On July 18 2016 10:34 Zooper31 wrote:
The more I watch ReZero the more I hate the MC...

Not sure how they are gonna fix his personality.


I am not sure why so many people want him to have a perfect personality and perfect problem solving skills.
He is a deeply flawed character with some unlikable traits and severe PTSD. Good. Let him have his tantrums and outburst.
Just because you would react different in his situation or think that his behavior is inappropriate does not mean that every character in anime has to be like that.
Let's have unlikable characters every now and then, as long as it is within limits and not obscenely obnoxious.
As someone already mentioned above, this is not a shounen series and if you are expecting a shounen MC, look elsewhere. Subaru not becoming godlike tier within a few episodes is actually one of the things I like the most about the show.

+ Show Spoiler [re zero] +
Enjoyed the episode, less bombastic and sensational as the previous one.
I am glad that none of the candidates gave in to his begging and ranting and being pathetic in general. A cold and harsh reality check is what he needs the most right now. Determination and anger alone won't solve anything, let's see if he takes that to heart and learns from his mistakes.



+ Show Spoiler +
I'm ok with flawed characters. The problem with Subaru is that he is insanely cocky all the time for no reason. He is basically a nobody, with no skills. He is still never polite, he is always cocky, yells at everyone, makes cynic remarks, holds over-the-top speeches and acts like he is almighty, the only one who can save the day.
Honestly, all the arguments brought up don't work on Subaru. Even if he is thrown into a random world he knows nothing about. A world that is brutal and different. Everyone who is not completely stupid would try to be polite and diplomatic at all times. And also cautious. But no, he is actually so retarded it hurts.


Well... + Show Spoiler +
That makes sense for his character; he's a NEET into anime and games, and the situation looks to him like something you'd see in an anime/manga. And probably he has seen it several times. He jumped to the conclusion, way back in episode one, that he must then be a protagonist. So he's being the protagonist. Unfortunately for him, he only has one power that hurts like hell to use with some uncertainty attached to it and he is not at all overpowered. He is clinging to his own original estimate of self-importance because, really, what else does he have? A cell phone that somehow hasn't gone dead yet? Oh, and Rem seems to dig him, which makes sense but she could do soo much better.


On July 18 2016 17:13 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2016 16:06 felisconcolori wrote:
I really need more airtime in ReZero.

I'm sure you will have your moment!

rezero ep16 + Show Spoiler +
tbh I don't mind Subaru. I mean I dislike annoying/useless people but in the context of the show it seems to fit. Unless he never ends up growing or learning from his mistakes, then it's just annoying. We will see how it plays out I guess.

I just hope Rem has a happy ending or I'm going to cry for a week



Hopefully. Mostly been consigned to trap/medic of a knight.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 18 2016 12:55 GMT
#113703
for the people who asked about the No Game No Life movie and what it's going to cover, that's apparently the author:



so 6th vol it is
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
July 18 2016 13:06 GMT
#113704
Best choice
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Makenshi
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-18 14:56:38
July 18 2016 14:55 GMT
#113705
re:zero + Show Spoiler +
so everyone is giving subaru a huge lecture on 'how to diplomacy', even throwing things like You Cant Change the Past it defines you and it makes your reputation' to a guy who can go back in time,
man it really would be a huge curveball out of nowhere if he went back again and succesfully dealt with them all super diplomatic pushing the right buttons
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
July 18 2016 22:21 GMT
#113706
Hmm. New Game. For people that found Shirobako too serious, and want something similar with a single protagonist and a lot more moe with a yuri flavoring.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 18 2016 22:28 GMT
#113707
On July 19 2016 07:21 felisconcolori wrote:
Hmm. New Game. For people that found Shirobako too serious, and want something similar with a single protagonist and a lot more moe with a yuri flavoring.

with an amazingly addictive OP!
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 00:08:47
July 18 2016 23:59 GMT
#113708
I don't get why anybody (show watchers I mean) would get annoyed at Subaru's behavior. To me it's absolutely understandable and realistic. Ridiculous to expect him to act rationally in these conditions.

ReZero
+ Show Spoiler +
Like come on guys, try to put yourselves in his shoes for a minute. Most of the basis for his actions in the show are due to his time rewinding abilities. Let's forget how messed up this "power" inherently is for a minute. He was cursed to not being able to explain himself, so nobody in the show can understand his motives (not even Emilia who abandoned him for it). Obviously no one even realizes he saves lives to such extent, because most of his doing is preventing the lives from being put in such danger after time rewinding. The only people who still trust him do so out of blind faith (maybe love, Rem best girl, you got that right at least), and guess what, he regularly watches them die horrible deaths while looking over helplessly, most of the time before dying himself. To add to all that, the antagonists are of overwhelming strength. Yes, he's a bit selfish (not unrealistically so), a bit delusional too (he obviously thought this was going to be a video game world where he can save everyone, be rewarded and shit). But you guys are talking like he cannot get shit done because he lacks people skills or is too whiny or failed his math test or I don't know what else. I guess you would prefer more archetypal heroically capable characters. Imho both Subaru's desperation and the ruler candidates' unwillingness to help are perfectly understandable.

The characters are developing nicely I would say. There's still some pacing issues, I guess it can't be always as spectacular as ep 15.

Edit: Also, I read a lot of "Subaru never learns so he's annoying" absurdities. In this very episode, the end is obviously supposed to show us that Subaru has understood that he has to provide something of interest to get something in return (the "buying your oil and transport" thing). Look how that turned out: another unfathomable entity he can probably die to :D.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 00:30:15
July 19 2016 00:11 GMT
#113709
On July 19 2016 08:59 ZenithM wrote:
I don't get why anybody (show watchers I mean) would get annoyed at Subaru's behavior. To me it's absolutely understandable and realistic. Ridiculous to expect him to act rationally in these conditions.

ReZero
+ Show Spoiler +
Like come on guys, try to put yourselves in his shoes for a minute. Most of the basis for his actions in the show are due to his time rewinding abilities. Let's forget how messed up this "power" inherently is for a minute. He was cursed to not being able to explain himself, so nobody in the show can understand his motives (not even Emilia who abandoned him for it). Obviously no one even realizes he saves lives to such extent, because most of his doing is preventing the lives from being put in such danger after time rewinding. The only people who still trust him do so out of blind faith (maybe love, Rem best girl, you got that right at least), and guess what, he regularly watches them die horrible deaths while looking over helplessly, most of the time before dying himself. To add to all that, the antagonists are of overwhelming strength. Yes, he's a bit selfish (not unrealistically so), a bit delusional too (he obviously thought this was going to be a video game world where he can save everyone, be rewarded and shit). But you guys are talking like he cannot get shit done because he lacks people skills or is too whiny or failed his math test or I don't know what else. I guess you would prefer more archetypal heroically capable characters. Imho both Subaru's desperation and the ruler candidates' unwillingness to help are perfectly understandable.

The characters are developing nicely I would say. There's still some pacing issues, I guess it can't be always as spectacular as ep 15.

Edit: Also, I read a lot of "Subaru never learns so he's annoying" absurdities. In this very episode, the end is obviously supposed to show us that Subaru has understood that he has to provide something of interest to get something in return (the "buying your oil and transport" thing). Look how that turned out: another unfathomable entity he can probably die to :D.

it's the situation they navigated themselves into. I'm one of the guys who liked the earlier episodes more as well.
You're between: it being realistic to some degree, which is nice, but at the same time it's just not something that's entertaining to watch if this goes on too long
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
July 19 2016 00:41 GMT
#113710
Started Log Horizon. Its kinda slow? 11 episodes in and its ok I guess.

I also started Steins Gate and uh also ok so far (2 eps in). MC guy seems crazy but it has some intriguing/entertaining things to pull you in.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 01:24:45
July 19 2016 01:24 GMT
#113711
On July 19 2016 09:41 Slaughter wrote:
Started Log Horizon. Its kinda slow? 11 episodes in and its ok I guess.

I also started Steins Gate and uh also ok so far (2 eps in). MC guy seems crazy but it has some intriguing/entertaining things to pull you in.

I found Log Horizon ok as well, it has some boring parts though and season at least for me was not interesting enough.

Steins Gate starts to pick up around later episodes like ep 6(or was it 8), it's start is indeed just w/e
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 19 2016 01:41 GMT
#113712
On July 19 2016 08:59 ZenithM wrote:
I don't get why anybody (show watchers I mean) would get annoyed at Subaru's behavior. To me it's absolutely understandable and realistic. Ridiculous to expect him to act rationally in these conditions.

ReZero
+ Show Spoiler +
Like come on guys, try to put yourselves in his shoes for a minute. Most of the basis for his actions in the show are due to his time rewinding abilities. Let's forget how messed up this "power" inherently is for a minute. He was cursed to not being able to explain himself, so nobody in the show can understand his motives (not even Emilia who abandoned him for it). Obviously no one even realizes he saves lives to such extent, because most of his doing is preventing the lives from being put in such danger after time rewinding. The only people who still trust him do so out of blind faith (maybe love, Rem best girl, you got that right at least), and guess what, he regularly watches them die horrible deaths while looking over helplessly, most of the time before dying himself. To add to all that, the antagonists are of overwhelming strength. Yes, he's a bit selfish (not unrealistically so), a bit delusional too (he obviously thought this was going to be a video game world where he can save everyone, be rewarded and shit). But you guys are talking like he cannot get shit done because he lacks people skills or is too whiny or failed his math test or I don't know what else. I guess you would prefer more archetypal heroically capable characters. Imho both Subaru's desperation and the ruler candidates' unwillingness to help are perfectly understandable.

The characters are developing nicely I would say. There's still some pacing issues, I guess it can't be always as spectacular as ep 15.

Edit: Also, I read a lot of "Subaru never learns so he's annoying" absurdities. In this very episode, the end is obviously supposed to show us that Subaru has understood that he has to provide something of interest to get something in return (the "buying your oil and transport" thing). Look how that turned out: another unfathomable entity he can probably die to :D.

+ Show Spoiler +
I gotta agree with Miragee's first paragraph. While I am enjoying the show quite a bit, Subaru's attitude and behaviour seem to be getting worse with each episode. While his behavior is somewhat understandable in this situation, he still hasn't learned the importance of manners and such.

Actually, it was one of those things that annoyed me about him from the start. Transported into some unknown world, you would think he would have realized that this world is vastly different from the one he came from by now. He can't do anything by himself yet decides to take on things by himself at times. He alienates the very people that he wants to protect. Yes, Emilia, Rem and everyone else have no idea what's going to happen because he can't tell them but at least find a way to convey the threat and make it credible. He gets asked how he knows about the witch's cult but has no answer. Anyone in Crusch's place would've just ignored his request just due to lack of information.

No, I don't want an archetypal heroic character that can do things by himself but at least, at the minimum, realize that this world isn't like your own. He ran his mouth against the knights and paid for it dearly but still hasn't learned to still his tongue when needed. He acts based on emotion atm (understandable but he should realize after Crusch that it won't help) and overall, just lacks the ability to make an convincing arguments for his cause. Basically, he wants help but doesn't give any good reasons for it and guess, he just realized that by the end of this episode. We'll see how he changes next episode but he made more enemies for Emilia in this latest episode, that's for sure.


Rem #1. Also, Betelgeuse is hilarious lol. Dunno why you guys would hate him + Show Spoiler +
beside the obvious killing of Rem in the previous episode lol. He's just so over the top. Hope we see him again XD


On July 19 2016 09:41 Slaughter wrote:I also started Steins Gate and uh also ok so far (2 eps in). MC guy seems crazy but it has some intriguing/entertaining things to pull you in.

I'm up to episode 5 atm. I would say that's when it gets even more interesting.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 01:49:46
July 19 2016 01:47 GMT
#113713
On July 19 2016 10:41 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 08:59 ZenithM wrote:
I don't get why anybody (show watchers I mean) would get annoyed at Subaru's behavior. To me it's absolutely understandable and realistic. Ridiculous to expect him to act rationally in these conditions.

ReZero
+ Show Spoiler +
Like come on guys, try to put yourselves in his shoes for a minute. Most of the basis for his actions in the show are due to his time rewinding abilities. Let's forget how messed up this "power" inherently is for a minute. He was cursed to not being able to explain himself, so nobody in the show can understand his motives (not even Emilia who abandoned him for it). Obviously no one even realizes he saves lives to such extent, because most of his doing is preventing the lives from being put in such danger after time rewinding. The only people who still trust him do so out of blind faith (maybe love, Rem best girl, you got that right at least), and guess what, he regularly watches them die horrible deaths while looking over helplessly, most of the time before dying himself. To add to all that, the antagonists are of overwhelming strength. Yes, he's a bit selfish (not unrealistically so), a bit delusional too (he obviously thought this was going to be a video game world where he can save everyone, be rewarded and shit). But you guys are talking like he cannot get shit done because he lacks people skills or is too whiny or failed his math test or I don't know what else. I guess you would prefer more archetypal heroically capable characters. Imho both Subaru's desperation and the ruler candidates' unwillingness to help are perfectly understandable.

The characters are developing nicely I would say. There's still some pacing issues, I guess it can't be always as spectacular as ep 15.

Edit: Also, I read a lot of "Subaru never learns so he's annoying" absurdities. In this very episode, the end is obviously supposed to show us that Subaru has understood that he has to provide something of interest to get something in return (the "buying your oil and transport" thing). Look how that turned out: another unfathomable entity he can probably die to :D.

+ Show Spoiler +
I gotta agree with Miragee's first paragraph. While I am enjoying the show quite a bit, Subaru's attitude and behaviour seem to be getting worse with each episode. While his behavior is somewhat understandable in this situation, he still hasn't learned the importance of manners and such.

Actually, it was one of those things that annoyed me about him from the start. Transported into some unknown world, you would think he would have realized that this world is vastly different from the one he came from by now. He can't do anything by himself yet decides to take on things by himself at times. He alienates the very people that he wants to protect. Yes, Emilia, Rem and everyone else have no idea what's going to happen because he can't tell them but at least find a way to convey the threat and make it credible. He gets asked how he knows about the witch's cult but has no answer. Anyone in Crusch's place would've just ignored his request just due to lack of information.

No, I don't want an archetypal heroic character that can do things by himself but at least, at the minimum, realize that this world isn't like your own. He ran his mouth against the knights and paid for it dearly but still hasn't learned to still his tongue when needed. He acts based on emotion atm (understandable but he should realize after Crusch that it won't help) and overall, just lacks the ability to make an convincing arguments for his cause. Basically, he wants help but doesn't give any good reasons for it and guess, he just realized that by the end of this episode. We'll see how he changes next episode but he made more enemies for Emilia in this latest episode, that's for sure.


Rem #1. Also, Betelgeuse is hilarious lol. Dunno why you guys would hate him + Show Spoiler +
beside the obvious killing of Rem in the previous episode lol. He's just so over the top. Hope we see him again XD


Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 09:41 Slaughter wrote:I also started Steins Gate and uh also ok so far (2 eps in). MC guy seems crazy but it has some intriguing/entertaining things to pull you in.

I'm up to episode 5 atm. I would say that's when it gets even more interesting.

+ Show Spoiler +
the guy was basicly tormented mentally and saw people slaughtered multiple times as well as people basicly getting tortured in front of his eyes with Rem in the cave. Asking someone like that to act rationally and to consider his position is just too much. I agree with that on the earlier episodes though.
Maybe some swap to Rem being in charge of "saving" people and being MC for a while would help because I just don't see it happening for Subaru to calm down

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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 19 2016 02:03 GMT
#113714
On July 19 2016 10:47 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 10:41 BigFan wrote:
On July 19 2016 08:59 ZenithM wrote:
I don't get why anybody (show watchers I mean) would get annoyed at Subaru's behavior. To me it's absolutely understandable and realistic. Ridiculous to expect him to act rationally in these conditions.

ReZero
+ Show Spoiler +
Like come on guys, try to put yourselves in his shoes for a minute. Most of the basis for his actions in the show are due to his time rewinding abilities. Let's forget how messed up this "power" inherently is for a minute. He was cursed to not being able to explain himself, so nobody in the show can understand his motives (not even Emilia who abandoned him for it). Obviously no one even realizes he saves lives to such extent, because most of his doing is preventing the lives from being put in such danger after time rewinding. The only people who still trust him do so out of blind faith (maybe love, Rem best girl, you got that right at least), and guess what, he regularly watches them die horrible deaths while looking over helplessly, most of the time before dying himself. To add to all that, the antagonists are of overwhelming strength. Yes, he's a bit selfish (not unrealistically so), a bit delusional too (he obviously thought this was going to be a video game world where he can save everyone, be rewarded and shit). But you guys are talking like he cannot get shit done because he lacks people skills or is too whiny or failed his math test or I don't know what else. I guess you would prefer more archetypal heroically capable characters. Imho both Subaru's desperation and the ruler candidates' unwillingness to help are perfectly understandable.

The characters are developing nicely I would say. There's still some pacing issues, I guess it can't be always as spectacular as ep 15.

Edit: Also, I read a lot of "Subaru never learns so he's annoying" absurdities. In this very episode, the end is obviously supposed to show us that Subaru has understood that he has to provide something of interest to get something in return (the "buying your oil and transport" thing). Look how that turned out: another unfathomable entity he can probably die to :D.

+ Show Spoiler +
I gotta agree with Miragee's first paragraph. While I am enjoying the show quite a bit, Subaru's attitude and behaviour seem to be getting worse with each episode. While his behavior is somewhat understandable in this situation, he still hasn't learned the importance of manners and such.

Actually, it was one of those things that annoyed me about him from the start. Transported into some unknown world, you would think he would have realized that this world is vastly different from the one he came from by now. He can't do anything by himself yet decides to take on things by himself at times. He alienates the very people that he wants to protect. Yes, Emilia, Rem and everyone else have no idea what's going to happen because he can't tell them but at least find a way to convey the threat and make it credible. He gets asked how he knows about the witch's cult but has no answer. Anyone in Crusch's place would've just ignored his request just due to lack of information.

No, I don't want an archetypal heroic character that can do things by himself but at least, at the minimum, realize that this world isn't like your own. He ran his mouth against the knights and paid for it dearly but still hasn't learned to still his tongue when needed. He acts based on emotion atm (understandable but he should realize after Crusch that it won't help) and overall, just lacks the ability to make an convincing arguments for his cause. Basically, he wants help but doesn't give any good reasons for it and guess, he just realized that by the end of this episode. We'll see how he changes next episode but he made more enemies for Emilia in this latest episode, that's for sure.


Rem #1. Also, Betelgeuse is hilarious lol. Dunno why you guys would hate him + Show Spoiler +
beside the obvious killing of Rem in the previous episode lol. He's just so over the top. Hope we see him again XD


On July 19 2016 09:41 Slaughter wrote:I also started Steins Gate and uh also ok so far (2 eps in). MC guy seems crazy but it has some intriguing/entertaining things to pull you in.

I'm up to episode 5 atm. I would say that's when it gets even more interesting.

+ Show Spoiler +
the guy was basicly tormented mentally and saw people slaughtered multiple times as well as people basicly getting tortured in front of his eyes with Rem in the cave. Asking someone like that to act rationally and to consider his position is just too much.
Maybe some swap to Rem being in charge of "saving" people would help because I just don't see it happening for Subaru to calm down


sorry, don't understand your last sentence. Are you saying that + Show Spoiler +
Rem should be in charge of saving people because it's very unlikely for Subaru to calm down? If yes, keep in mind that he knows that she died both the last two times so he's likely very wary of leaving her to do that task on her own.

Yes, I realize that (bolded parts) and I don't expect that he'll get it off the bat or to stop acting completely unemotional but the fact remains that he should've realized by now that the world he is in is very different from his own. A lot of my criticism, though seems leveled towards how he's currently acting, is about his attitude and actions from the start and all the way up to and including the fight with Emilia. He just doesn't seem to get it and I think the way he's been acting till this recent arc is a direct factor.

It's rather simple: Learn to obey instructions, be mindful of others and use your manners plus think things through. He would've never fought with Emilia if he waited in the hotel but instead, he decided to accompany her rival, make a large scene then get beaten up before deciding to tell Emilia that she owes him -_-
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 02:28:16
July 19 2016 02:27 GMT
#113715
On July 19 2016 11:03 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 10:47 Toadesstern wrote:
On July 19 2016 10:41 BigFan wrote:
On July 19 2016 08:59 ZenithM wrote:
I don't get why anybody (show watchers I mean) would get annoyed at Subaru's behavior. To me it's absolutely understandable and realistic. Ridiculous to expect him to act rationally in these conditions.

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Like come on guys, try to put yourselves in his shoes for a minute. Most of the basis for his actions in the show are due to his time rewinding abilities. Let's forget how messed up this "power" inherently is for a minute. He was cursed to not being able to explain himself, so nobody in the show can understand his motives (not even Emilia who abandoned him for it). Obviously no one even realizes he saves lives to such extent, because most of his doing is preventing the lives from being put in such danger after time rewinding. The only people who still trust him do so out of blind faith (maybe love, Rem best girl, you got that right at least), and guess what, he regularly watches them die horrible deaths while looking over helplessly, most of the time before dying himself. To add to all that, the antagonists are of overwhelming strength. Yes, he's a bit selfish (not unrealistically so), a bit delusional too (he obviously thought this was going to be a video game world where he can save everyone, be rewarded and shit). But you guys are talking like he cannot get shit done because he lacks people skills or is too whiny or failed his math test or I don't know what else. I guess you would prefer more archetypal heroically capable characters. Imho both Subaru's desperation and the ruler candidates' unwillingness to help are perfectly understandable.

The characters are developing nicely I would say. There's still some pacing issues, I guess it can't be always as spectacular as ep 15.

Edit: Also, I read a lot of "Subaru never learns so he's annoying" absurdities. In this very episode, the end is obviously supposed to show us that Subaru has understood that he has to provide something of interest to get something in return (the "buying your oil and transport" thing). Look how that turned out: another unfathomable entity he can probably die to :D.

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I gotta agree with Miragee's first paragraph. While I am enjoying the show quite a bit, Subaru's attitude and behaviour seem to be getting worse with each episode. While his behavior is somewhat understandable in this situation, he still hasn't learned the importance of manners and such.

Actually, it was one of those things that annoyed me about him from the start. Transported into some unknown world, you would think he would have realized that this world is vastly different from the one he came from by now. He can't do anything by himself yet decides to take on things by himself at times. He alienates the very people that he wants to protect. Yes, Emilia, Rem and everyone else have no idea what's going to happen because he can't tell them but at least find a way to convey the threat and make it credible. He gets asked how he knows about the witch's cult but has no answer. Anyone in Crusch's place would've just ignored his request just due to lack of information.

No, I don't want an archetypal heroic character that can do things by himself but at least, at the minimum, realize that this world isn't like your own. He ran his mouth against the knights and paid for it dearly but still hasn't learned to still his tongue when needed. He acts based on emotion atm (understandable but he should realize after Crusch that it won't help) and overall, just lacks the ability to make an convincing arguments for his cause. Basically, he wants help but doesn't give any good reasons for it and guess, he just realized that by the end of this episode. We'll see how he changes next episode but he made more enemies for Emilia in this latest episode, that's for sure.


Rem #1. Also, Betelgeuse is hilarious lol. Dunno why you guys would hate him + Show Spoiler +
beside the obvious killing of Rem in the previous episode lol. He's just so over the top. Hope we see him again XD


On July 19 2016 09:41 Slaughter wrote:I also started Steins Gate and uh also ok so far (2 eps in). MC guy seems crazy but it has some intriguing/entertaining things to pull you in.

I'm up to episode 5 atm. I would say that's when it gets even more interesting.

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the guy was basicly tormented mentally and saw people slaughtered multiple times as well as people basicly getting tortured in front of his eyes with Rem in the cave. Asking someone like that to act rationally and to consider his position is just too much.
Maybe some swap to Rem being in charge of "saving" people would help because I just don't see it happening for Subaru to calm down


sorry, don't understand your last sentence. Are you saying that + Show Spoiler +
Rem should be in charge of saving people because it's very unlikely for Subaru to calm down? If yes, keep in mind that he knows that she died both the last two times so he's likely very wary of leaving her to do that task on her own.

Yes, I realize that (bolded parts) and I don't expect that he'll get it off the bat or to stop acting completely unemotional but the fact remains that he should've realized by now that the world he is in is very different from his own. A lot of my criticism, though seems leveled towards how he's currently acting, is about his attitude and actions from the start and all the way up to and including the fight with Emilia. He just doesn't seem to get it and I think the way he's been acting till this recent arc is a direct factor.

It's rather simple: Learn to obey instructions, be mindful of others and use your manners plus think things through. He would've never fought with Emilia if he waited in the hotel but instead, he decided to accompany her rival, make a large scene then get beaten up before deciding to tell Emilia that she owes him -_-

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well yeah she did die but so far it's basicly him doing stuff by himself while being "accompanied" by the others, more or less. Until the time comes when they're fighting for their lives and she gets involved. Idk, somehow get her more involved earlier rather than just the fighting which will result in her death?
We haven't seen any input from her whatsoever on the situation other than trying to support him in "whatever it is he's doing" because she has no clue what it is he's trying to do.

What would have stopped them from letting Rem do the negotiations after a short rundown of what he wants from the other parties involved instead of him talking while he's boiling with anger for a starter?
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On July 19 2016 11:27 Toadesstern wrote:
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On July 19 2016 11:03 BigFan wrote:
On July 19 2016 10:47 Toadesstern wrote:
On July 19 2016 10:41 BigFan wrote:
On July 19 2016 08:59 ZenithM wrote:
I don't get why anybody (show watchers I mean) would get annoyed at Subaru's behavior. To me it's absolutely understandable and realistic. Ridiculous to expect him to act rationally in these conditions.

ReZero
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Like come on guys, try to put yourselves in his shoes for a minute. Most of the basis for his actions in the show are due to his time rewinding abilities. Let's forget how messed up this "power" inherently is for a minute. He was cursed to not being able to explain himself, so nobody in the show can understand his motives (not even Emilia who abandoned him for it). Obviously no one even realizes he saves lives to such extent, because most of his doing is preventing the lives from being put in such danger after time rewinding. The only people who still trust him do so out of blind faith (maybe love, Rem best girl, you got that right at least), and guess what, he regularly watches them die horrible deaths while looking over helplessly, most of the time before dying himself. To add to all that, the antagonists are of overwhelming strength. Yes, he's a bit selfish (not unrealistically so), a bit delusional too (he obviously thought this was going to be a video game world where he can save everyone, be rewarded and shit). But you guys are talking like he cannot get shit done because he lacks people skills or is too whiny or failed his math test or I don't know what else. I guess you would prefer more archetypal heroically capable characters. Imho both Subaru's desperation and the ruler candidates' unwillingness to help are perfectly understandable.

The characters are developing nicely I would say. There's still some pacing issues, I guess it can't be always as spectacular as ep 15.

Edit: Also, I read a lot of "Subaru never learns so he's annoying" absurdities. In this very episode, the end is obviously supposed to show us that Subaru has understood that he has to provide something of interest to get something in return (the "buying your oil and transport" thing). Look how that turned out: another unfathomable entity he can probably die to :D.

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I gotta agree with Miragee's first paragraph. While I am enjoying the show quite a bit, Subaru's attitude and behaviour seem to be getting worse with each episode. While his behavior is somewhat understandable in this situation, he still hasn't learned the importance of manners and such.

Actually, it was one of those things that annoyed me about him from the start. Transported into some unknown world, you would think he would have realized that this world is vastly different from the one he came from by now. He can't do anything by himself yet decides to take on things by himself at times. He alienates the very people that he wants to protect. Yes, Emilia, Rem and everyone else have no idea what's going to happen because he can't tell them but at least find a way to convey the threat and make it credible. He gets asked how he knows about the witch's cult but has no answer. Anyone in Crusch's place would've just ignored his request just due to lack of information.

No, I don't want an archetypal heroic character that can do things by himself but at least, at the minimum, realize that this world isn't like your own. He ran his mouth against the knights and paid for it dearly but still hasn't learned to still his tongue when needed. He acts based on emotion atm (understandable but he should realize after Crusch that it won't help) and overall, just lacks the ability to make an convincing arguments for his cause. Basically, he wants help but doesn't give any good reasons for it and guess, he just realized that by the end of this episode. We'll see how he changes next episode but he made more enemies for Emilia in this latest episode, that's for sure.


Rem #1. Also, Betelgeuse is hilarious lol. Dunno why you guys would hate him + Show Spoiler +
beside the obvious killing of Rem in the previous episode lol. He's just so over the top. Hope we see him again XD


On July 19 2016 09:41 Slaughter wrote:I also started Steins Gate and uh also ok so far (2 eps in). MC guy seems crazy but it has some intriguing/entertaining things to pull you in.

I'm up to episode 5 atm. I would say that's when it gets even more interesting.

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the guy was basicly tormented mentally and saw people slaughtered multiple times as well as people basicly getting tortured in front of his eyes with Rem in the cave. Asking someone like that to act rationally and to consider his position is just too much.
Maybe some swap to Rem being in charge of "saving" people would help because I just don't see it happening for Subaru to calm down


sorry, don't understand your last sentence. Are you saying that + Show Spoiler +
Rem should be in charge of saving people because it's very unlikely for Subaru to calm down? If yes, keep in mind that he knows that she died both the last two times so he's likely very wary of leaving her to do that task on her own.

Yes, I realize that (bolded parts) and I don't expect that he'll get it off the bat or to stop acting completely unemotional but the fact remains that he should've realized by now that the world he is in is very different from his own. A lot of my criticism, though seems leveled towards how he's currently acting, is about his attitude and actions from the start and all the way up to and including the fight with Emilia. He just doesn't seem to get it and I think the way he's been acting till this recent arc is a direct factor.

It's rather simple: Learn to obey instructions, be mindful of others and use your manners plus think things through. He would've never fought with Emilia if he waited in the hotel but instead, he decided to accompany her rival, make a large scene then get beaten up before deciding to tell Emilia that she owes him -_-

+ Show Spoiler +
well yeah she did die but so far it's basicly him doing stuff by himself while being "accompanied" by the others, more or less. Until the time comes when they're fighting for their lives and she gets involved. Idk, somehow get her more involved earlier rather than just the fighting which will result in her death?
We haven't seen any input from her whatsoever on the situation other than trying to support him in "whatever it is he's doing" because she has no clue what it is he's trying to do.

What would have stopped them from letting Rem do the negotiations after a short rundown of what he wants from the other parties involved instead of him talking while he's boiling with anger for a starter?

oh I see what you mean. Yes, I agree. + Show Spoiler +
Have Rem take a greater role seeing as she's more accustomed to this world and isn't aware of what the end outcome would be (aka, would remain calmer because she doesn't know lol).

I would've liked to see Rem be slightly more hesitant to go with his plans and at least ask for some explanation rather than just do it based on having faith in him. She did let out an 'if' n the latest episode though lol so improvement XD
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On July 19 2016 14:17 plasmidghost wrote:
Finished episode 13 of ReZero
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I'm starting to get upset. For someone that can undo a whole day's mistakes, why the fuck wouldn't you repeat the day and not be a total jackass? I hope that's explained or I'm definitely knocking my tentative rating a bit

umm + Show Spoiler +
because he doesn't know about the limit. If you remember the village arc where he was constantly killed; once he died three times, he was getting distressed about the amount of times that he can die. I don't believe he's gotten over that thought since. Also, there's no telling where he starts the day if he dies. I won't say much at this point, just keep watching and let us know your thoughts once you catch up
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Amaama to Inazuma
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how is it possible to suck this much at cooking between the two of them?
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