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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
May 07 2015 17:39 GMT
#97741
On May 08 2015 02:35 IceHism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 02:29 Toadesstern wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:14 Unleashing wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
If you read LNs first you obviously have to be hipster and hate on how the anime is different no matter what they do.

Shitty adaptions do exist you know. DxD season 3 right now is a fucking awful adaption.

I rarely get disappointed at adaptions unless they're legit awful or ruin what i enjoyed about a series to begin with.

Also if an adaptions begins to go full anime original then i can't really call it a good adaption anymore regardless of how good the anime original stuff might be on its own, it's no longer a good adaption of the source material.

I know that they exist. I just think that people mostly exaggerate when it comes to that and make it sound like 99% of em are that shitty for the sake of "omg you dirty secondary, the source is so much better and I HAVE READ IT"

It is a different medium and will be different. I would expect a Manga version of something to focus on different stuff than let's say the LN version of it or the anime version of it. At the very least the three excel in different fields imo, even if there are good examples for every style in all 3 of them.


But most of them are shitty, you gotta remember most LN adaptions shows are 1 cour shows with minimum budget made to advertise the source material with zero chance of getting a sequel. A lot are just padded out infomercials. Only a few ln shows get multiple seasons or cours

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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
May 07 2015 17:42 GMT
#97742
On May 08 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
If you read LNs first you obviously have to be hipster and hate on how the anime is different no matter what they do.

the method of storytelling in novels doesn't translate well in anime form, so most of the time the directors simply cut it out of their scripts.
regardless of whether you read the source before or after, you will always feel like you missed out on something in the animation when reviewing it retrospectively.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 17:50:20
May 07 2015 17:48 GMT
#97743
On May 08 2015 02:42 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
If you read LNs first you obviously have to be hipster and hate on how the anime is different no matter what they do.

the method of storytelling in novels doesn't translate well in anime form, so most of the time the directors simply cut it out of their scripts.
regardless of whether you read the source before or after, you will always feel like you missed out on something in the animation when reviewing it retrospectively.

which is what I'm saying. Of course a 600 page book is going to be more detailed than an anime adaptation and why I said the 3 genres have all their strengths and weaknesses. I tend to think that Manga is equally bad in that regard except for very few exceptions and hence will focus on other things and not try to be a 1:1 adaptation with more pictures in there.

Hence saying, don't expect it to be 100% the same. The three things have all their strength and weaknesses and yes, stuff that's butchered exists. But just because it's focusing on different things, because they know they can't deliver the same kind of in depth storytelling in anime format doesn't mean it has to be bad.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
May 07 2015 17:59 GMT
#97744
On May 08 2015 01:01 FFGenerations wrote:
why cant i make this black into red?
i want to make it red then transulencetnt so i can trace over it
i tried hue -> colorise and literally nothing happens
i can do color replace -> it goes light grey only

http://i.imgur.com/DJ04nQ8.jpg


fyi i had to change the "lightness" of the black to make it lighter, then i could give it a hue. i had already set the layer as translucent so the black "looked" light but was still being treated as solid black o/c
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
May 07 2015 18:07 GMT
#97745
On May 08 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 02:42 andyrau wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
If you read LNs first you obviously have to be hipster and hate on how the anime is different no matter what they do.

the method of storytelling in novels doesn't translate well in anime form, so most of the time the directors simply cut it out of their scripts.
regardless of whether you read the source before or after, you will always feel like you missed out on something in the animation when reviewing it retrospectively.

which is what I'm saying. Of course a 600 page book is going to be more detailed than an anime adaptation and why I said the 3 genres have all their strengths and weaknesses. I tend to think that Manga is equally bad in that regard except for very few exceptions and hence will focus on other things and not try to be a 1:1 adaptation with more pictures in there.

Hence saying, don't expect it to be 100% the same. The three things have all their strength and weaknesses and yes, stuff that's butchered exists. But just because it's focusing on different things, because they know they can't deliver the same kind of in depth storytelling in anime format doesn't mean it has to be bad.

Exactly, many animes that are being "butchered" according to manga readers here are actually really enjoyable if you don't know the manga. For example, I somewhat liked the Toyko Ghoul anime.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 18:12:57
May 07 2015 18:10 GMT
#97746
On May 08 2015 03:07 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:42 andyrau wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
If you read LNs first you obviously have to be hipster and hate on how the anime is different no matter what they do.

the method of storytelling in novels doesn't translate well in anime form, so most of the time the directors simply cut it out of their scripts.
regardless of whether you read the source before or after, you will always feel like you missed out on something in the animation when reviewing it retrospectively.

which is what I'm saying. Of course a 600 page book is going to be more detailed than an anime adaptation and why I said the 3 genres have all their strengths and weaknesses. I tend to think that Manga is equally bad in that regard except for very few exceptions and hence will focus on other things and not try to be a 1:1 adaptation with more pictures in there.

Hence saying, don't expect it to be 100% the same. The three things have all their strength and weaknesses and yes, stuff that's butchered exists. But just because it's focusing on different things, because they know they can't deliver the same kind of in depth storytelling in anime format doesn't mean it has to be bad.

Exactly, many animes that are being "butchered" according to manga readers here are actually really enjoyable if you don't know the manga. For example, I somewhat liked the Toyko Ghoul anime.


Well yea if you completely ignore all the tons of issues the anime has on it's own regardless of adapting then sure you can enjoy it. You could have picked a better example lol. It wasn't even a good entity on it's own. That's more a case of enjoyment not being tied to quality. Toyko Ghoul may have been enjoyable for you but it wasn't a good anime even if you ignore it was meant to be an adaption.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
May 07 2015 18:36 GMT
#97747
People who read manga/LNs/VNs are doing it wrong.

They should just watch anime, like me, so they can enjoy it more.
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
May 07 2015 18:40 GMT
#97748
On May 08 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 02:42 andyrau wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
If you read LNs first you obviously have to be hipster and hate on how the anime is different no matter what they do.

the method of storytelling in novels doesn't translate well in anime form, so most of the time the directors simply cut it out of their scripts.
regardless of whether you read the source before or after, you will always feel like you missed out on something in the animation when reviewing it retrospectively.

which is what I'm saying. Of course a 600 page book is going to be more detailed than an anime adaptation and why I said the 3 genres have all their strengths and weaknesses. I tend to think that Manga is equally bad in that regard except for very few exceptions and hence will focus on other things and not try to be a 1:1 adaptation with more pictures in there.

Hence saying, don't expect it to be 100% the same. The three things have all their strength and weaknesses and yes, stuff that's butchered exists. But just because it's focusing on different things, because they know they can't deliver the same kind of in depth storytelling in anime format doesn't mean it has to be bad.

well that's kind of my point.
the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. hence i don't think it's fair to say someone's being hipster for griping that the anime sucks because, well, it actually does suck in comparison.

obv it doesn't mean you can't enjoy both for what they are.
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
May 07 2015 18:41 GMT
#97749
On May 08 2015 03:36 Souma wrote:
People who read manga/LNs/VNs are doing it wrong.

They should just watch anime, like me, so they can enjoy it more.


Watch anime first, get interested, read source.

Going in that direction can be nice, going in the opposite often ends in disappointment.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 19:06:27
May 07 2015 19:00 GMT
#97750
On May 08 2015 03:40 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:42 andyrau wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
If you read LNs first you obviously have to be hipster and hate on how the anime is different no matter what they do.

the method of storytelling in novels doesn't translate well in anime form, so most of the time the directors simply cut it out of their scripts.
regardless of whether you read the source before or after, you will always feel like you missed out on something in the animation when reviewing it retrospectively.

which is what I'm saying. Of course a 600 page book is going to be more detailed than an anime adaptation and why I said the 3 genres have all their strengths and weaknesses. I tend to think that Manga is equally bad in that regard except for very few exceptions and hence will focus on other things and not try to be a 1:1 adaptation with more pictures in there.

Hence saying, don't expect it to be 100% the same. The three things have all their strength and weaknesses and yes, stuff that's butchered exists. But just because it's focusing on different things, because they know they can't deliver the same kind of in depth storytelling in anime format doesn't mean it has to be bad.

well that's kind of my point.
the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. hence i don't think it's fair to say someone's being hipster for griping that the anime sucks because, well, it actually does suck in comparison.

obv it doesn't mean you can't enjoy both for what they are.

but that's ignoring the strongpoints animation has. No matter how good Monogatari novels are you don't get to listen to Chiwa Saitou while reading them. You don't get to see Shaft visuals.

If all you care about is story then yes, LNs are the way to go for you as they are way more detailed. And you probably shouldn't bother with anime because you don't dislike adaptations, you just dislike anime because it's that way for 99% of shows no matter of LN adaptation, manga adaptation or things that aren't adaptations at all. If you can appreciate anime for what it's better at than LNs then there's also that.

That's why hating on adaptation for the sake of it being an adaptation rather than the specific one being bad is stupid. It's not a matter of adaptation, it's a matter of genre. If you don't like the medium, duh.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
May 07 2015 19:03 GMT
#97751
On May 08 2015 03:41 Maxie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 03:36 Souma wrote:
People who read manga/LNs/VNs are doing it wrong.

They should just watch anime, like me, so they can enjoy it more.


Watch anime first, get interested, read source.

Going in that direction can be nice, going in the opposite often ends in disappointment.


This is what I do. Because even if the anime if a cliff notes disaster you can still pin point elements /characters/settings that might be good and you can check out the source. Which is probably why the industry is the way it is because even shit adaptations can show just enough for a viewer to recognize the potential and go check out the source.
Never Knows Best.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 19:11:37
May 07 2015 19:05 GMT
#97752
Do you mean medium instead of genre? Doesn't really makes sense otherwise. Personally I often just get sad when an adaption could do it perfectly but intentionally choose not to. Well by sad I mean fucking furious. I love both mediums but I can't stand stories being butchered for no other reason than that's how they wanted it to be. Stop trying to fit every story into your little mold of 13 episodes ffs. Netfix save us

Anime at times just doesn't seem to be about producing a really good anime so much as it is about producing a passable anime that borrows heavily on some source material so you get interested in that material. Give me a well written, well animated, anime original over a passable adaption any day. When I watch something like Daredevil I get the feeling that they really wanted to show us this story so that pride comes through in the feel of it. SAC gives me the same vibes. A team that has a vision and does their best to show us that vision in the medium.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 19:17:16
May 07 2015 19:06 GMT
#97753
On May 08 2015 04:05 Numy wrote:
Do you mean medium instead of genre? Doesn't really makes sense otherwise. Personally I often just get sad when an adaption could do it perfectly but intentionally choose not to. Well by sad I mean fucking furious. I love both mediums but I can't stand stories being butchered for no other reason than that's how they wanted it to be. Stop trying to fit every story into your little mold of 13 episodes ffs. Netfix save us


yeah my bad. Meant medium
And yes I get that, I just think saying that every adaptation out there is bad is stupid...
On May 08 2015 04:05 Numy wrote:
Anime at times just doesn't seem to be about producing a really good anime so much as it is about producing a passable anime that borrows heavily on some source material so you get interested in that material. Give me a well written, well animated, anime original over a passable adaption any day.

kind of. Manga/LN are certainly gateway to Anime and not the other way around. People start out by reading Manga/LN before watching any Anime in JP. And Anime is supposed to re-ignite sales or increase sales but it's that way for every kind of anime.

Gundam shows are mostly trying to sell robots in a basicly 30 year ongoing commercial.
LN/Manga/Game adaptations are mostly trying to get more sales on the source.
Anime originals... are reeeeally rare.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 07 2015 19:11 GMT
#97754
On May 08 2015 03:41 Maxie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 03:36 Souma wrote:
People who read manga/LNs/VNs are doing it wrong.

They should just watch anime, like me, so they can enjoy it more.


Watch anime first, get interested, read source.

Going in that direction can be nice, going in the opposite often ends in disappointment.

I actually do the opposite. While disappointment is expected, I mostly go from source => animu only because I want more content and want to see my best girl animated.

Otherwise, I feel like I def get more enjoyment out of monologues, dialogues, plot development from the other sources that the anime tends to skip over due to various constraints.
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
May 07 2015 19:18 GMT
#97755
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
May 07 2015 19:34 GMT
#97756
On May 08 2015 04:00 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 03:40 andyrau wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:42 andyrau wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
If you read LNs first you obviously have to be hipster and hate on how the anime is different no matter what they do.

the method of storytelling in novels doesn't translate well in anime form, so most of the time the directors simply cut it out of their scripts.
regardless of whether you read the source before or after, you will always feel like you missed out on something in the animation when reviewing it retrospectively.

which is what I'm saying. Of course a 600 page book is going to be more detailed than an anime adaptation and why I said the 3 genres have all their strengths and weaknesses. I tend to think that Manga is equally bad in that regard except for very few exceptions and hence will focus on other things and not try to be a 1:1 adaptation with more pictures in there.

Hence saying, don't expect it to be 100% the same. The three things have all their strength and weaknesses and yes, stuff that's butchered exists. But just because it's focusing on different things, because they know they can't deliver the same kind of in depth storytelling in anime format doesn't mean it has to be bad.

well that's kind of my point.
the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. hence i don't think it's fair to say someone's being hipster for griping that the anime sucks because, well, it actually does suck in comparison.

obv it doesn't mean you can't enjoy both for what they are.

but that's ignoring the strongpoints animation has. No matter how good Monogatari novels are you don't get to listen to Chiwa Saitou while reading them. You don't get to see Shaft visuals.

If all you care about is story then yes, LNs are the way to go for you as they are way more detailed. And you probably shouldn't bother with anime because you don't dislike adaptations, you just dislike anime because it's that way for 99% of shows no matter of LN adaptation, manga adaptation or things that aren't adaptations at all. If you can appreciate anime for what it's better at than LNs then there's also that.

That's why hating on adaptation for the sake of it being an adaptation rather than the specific one being bad is stupid. It's not a matter of adaptation, it's a matter of genre. If you don't like the medium, duh.

just me but i honestly couldn't give a shit about VAs. not understanding the language and its vocal nuances takes away from a lot of the appeal, but that's another discussion and not one that i really want to get into.

you mention differences in format but that's a massive strawman; you're twisting the discussion from whether an adaptation is worth watching to whether someone prefers a certain type of medium or not.

ignoring the fact that animations are a copy of the source doesn't work out because they are inherently truncated versions with pretty visuals (with great audio i guess), mashed together with a compromised plot.
fwiw I don't think the animations should be avoided because it's fun to see imaginations come to life, but my main point is, disliking the adaptation for what it is isn't really a negative reaction, nor should it be trivialized to 'being hipster' or whatever.
the reaction to adaptations i always find myself with is 'wow this is pretty good but it could have been so much more, if only.'
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
May 07 2015 19:34 GMT
#97757
On May 08 2015 04:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 03:41 Maxie wrote:
On May 08 2015 03:36 Souma wrote:
People who read manga/LNs/VNs are doing it wrong.

They should just watch anime, like me, so they can enjoy it more.


Watch anime first, get interested, read source.

Going in that direction can be nice, going in the opposite often ends in disappointment.

I actually do the opposite. While disappointment is expected, I mostly go from source => animu only because I want more content and want to see my best girl animated.

Otherwise, I feel like I def get more enjoyment out of monologues, dialogues, plot development from the other sources that the anime tends to skip over due to various constraints.


Well, it can be interesting to watch an anime of something you've read. I just find that most of the time there's something about the adaption that isn't great. Pacing comes to mind, but then again manga depends on my reading speed so it's not so odd to feel like an anime is slow.

Owari no Seraph anime feels slow imo.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 07 2015 19:36 GMT
#97758
Owari no Seraph anime would be quite a lot better if it got rid of the MC or it just stopped having him whine 24/7. I don't get what's up with mangaka loving to make 2 sides of a story but always making the most interesting side the one we don't see the most.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
May 07 2015 19:39 GMT
#97759
It might be the most interesting because the author doesn't get a chance to ruin it since it's not in focus, har har.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 19:43:56
May 07 2015 19:42 GMT
#97760
On May 08 2015 04:34 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 04:00 Toadesstern wrote:
On May 08 2015 03:40 andyrau wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:42 andyrau wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
If you read LNs first you obviously have to be hipster and hate on how the anime is different no matter what they do.

the method of storytelling in novels doesn't translate well in anime form, so most of the time the directors simply cut it out of their scripts.
regardless of whether you read the source before or after, you will always feel like you missed out on something in the animation when reviewing it retrospectively.

which is what I'm saying. Of course a 600 page book is going to be more detailed than an anime adaptation and why I said the 3 genres have all their strengths and weaknesses. I tend to think that Manga is equally bad in that regard except for very few exceptions and hence will focus on other things and not try to be a 1:1 adaptation with more pictures in there.

Hence saying, don't expect it to be 100% the same. The three things have all their strength and weaknesses and yes, stuff that's butchered exists. But just because it's focusing on different things, because they know they can't deliver the same kind of in depth storytelling in anime format doesn't mean it has to be bad.

well that's kind of my point.
the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. hence i don't think it's fair to say someone's being hipster for griping that the anime sucks because, well, it actually does suck in comparison.

obv it doesn't mean you can't enjoy both for what they are.

but that's ignoring the strongpoints animation has. No matter how good Monogatari novels are you don't get to listen to Chiwa Saitou while reading them. You don't get to see Shaft visuals.

If all you care about is story then yes, LNs are the way to go for you as they are way more detailed. And you probably shouldn't bother with anime because you don't dislike adaptations, you just dislike anime because it's that way for 99% of shows no matter of LN adaptation, manga adaptation or things that aren't adaptations at all. If you can appreciate anime for what it's better at than LNs then there's also that.

That's why hating on adaptation for the sake of it being an adaptation rather than the specific one being bad is stupid. It's not a matter of adaptation, it's a matter of genre. If you don't like the medium, duh.

just me but i honestly couldn't give a shit about VAs. not understanding the language and its vocal nuances takes away from a lot of the appeal, but that's another discussion and not one that i really want to get into.

you mention differences in format but that's a massive strawman; you're twisting the discussion from whether an adaptation is worth watching to whether someone prefers a certain type of medium or not.

ignoring the fact that animations are a copy of the source doesn't work out because they are inherently truncated versions with pretty visuals (with great audio i guess), mashed together with a compromised plot.
fwiw I don't think the animations should be avoided because it's fun to see imaginations come to life, but my main point is, disliking the adaptation for what it is isn't really a negative reaction, nor should it be trivialized to 'being hipster' or whatever.
the reaction to adaptations i always find myself with is 'wow this is pretty good but it could have been so much more, if only.'

That's the case for the vast majority of shows out there no matter if adaptation or not. If it doesn't matter if the show is an adaptation or not then yes, it can be ignored because it's the same in both scenarios. We just have a lot more adaptations out there than anime original stuff so it's more apparent but that stuff is still going to suffer from less detailed plot if you compare it to a 600 page book. It's just that you don't realize it because there's no original to speak of.

So what people hate on isn't that they're worse in story but that they're different compared to the original while good adaptations are in no way inferior to good anime original stuff when it comes to story telling. You just don't realize that a potential source would have been even better at story telling because there is no source.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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