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On May 08 2015 07:37 Imperfect1987 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 07:32 Miragee wrote:meh. Ore Monogatari ep5 was somewhat ok. I don't think I can't last through the full 24 episodes of this show though. Yet, I still want to know what + Show Spoiler +Yamato is hiding from Takeo. Does she want a kiss? Can someone spoil me the manga pls? + Show Spoiler + I haven't read the Manga but judging from that episode there's a 99% chance she just wants a kiss.
+ Show Spoiler [ore monogatari spoiler] +It's even worse, she just wants to hold hands
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On May 08 2015 08:02 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 07:37 Imperfect1987 wrote:On May 08 2015 07:32 Miragee wrote:meh. Ore Monogatari ep5 was somewhat ok. I don't think I can't last through the full 24 episodes of this show though. Yet, I still want to know what + Show Spoiler +Yamato is hiding from Takeo. Does she want a kiss? Can someone spoil me the manga pls? + Show Spoiler + I haven't read the Manga but judging from that episode there's a 99% chance she just wants a kiss. + Show Spoiler [ore monogatari spoiler] +It's even worse, she just wants to hold hands
ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFL. Japan you make me laugh. I know I'm avoiding this show.
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On May 08 2015 08:03 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 08:02 synapse wrote:On May 08 2015 07:37 Imperfect1987 wrote:On May 08 2015 07:32 Miragee wrote:meh. Ore Monogatari ep5 was somewhat ok. I don't think I can't last through the full 24 episodes of this show though. Yet, I still want to know what + Show Spoiler +Yamato is hiding from Takeo. Does she want a kiss? Can someone spoil me the manga pls? + Show Spoiler + I haven't read the Manga but judging from that episode there's a 99% chance she just wants a kiss. + Show Spoiler [ore monogatari spoiler] +It's even worse, she just wants to hold hands ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFL. Japan you make me laugh. I know I'm avoiding this show.
Oh wow, yeah that's it I'm dropping it now. That's way too lewd for me to handle.
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emnjay would have been banned for saying that
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On May 08 2015 05:53 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 05:43 andyrau wrote:On May 08 2015 05:26 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 04:42 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 04:34 andyrau wrote:On May 08 2015 04:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 03:40 andyrau wrote:On May 08 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 02:42 andyrau wrote:On May 08 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
If you read LNs first you obviously have to be hipster and hate on how the anime is different no matter what they do. the method of storytelling in novels doesn't translate well in anime form, so most of the time the directors simply cut it out of their scripts. regardless of whether you read the source before or after, you will always feel like you missed out on something in the animation when reviewing it retrospectively. which is what I'm saying. Of course a 600 page book is going to be more detailed than an anime adaptation and why I said the 3 genres have all their strengths and weaknesses. I tend to think that Manga is equally bad in that regard except for very few exceptions and hence will focus on other things and not try to be a 1:1 adaptation with more pictures in there. Hence saying, don't expect it to be 100% the same. The three things have all their strength and weaknesses and yes, stuff that's butchered exists. But just because it's focusing on different things, because they know they can't deliver the same kind of in depth storytelling in anime format doesn't mean it has to be bad. well that's kind of my point. the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. hence i don't think it's fair to say someone's being hipster for griping that the anime sucks because, well, it actually does suck in comparison. obv it doesn't mean you can't enjoy both for what they are. but that's ignoring the strongpoints animation has. No matter how good Monogatari novels are you don't get to listen to Chiwa Saitou while reading them. You don't get to see Shaft visuals. If all you care about is story then yes, LNs are the way to go for you as they are way more detailed. And you probably shouldn't bother with anime because you don't dislike adaptations, you just dislike anime because it's that way for 99% of shows no matter of LN adaptation, manga adaptation or things that aren't adaptations at all. If you can appreciate anime for what it's better at than LNs then there's also that. That's why hating on adaptation for the sake of it being an adaptation rather than the specific one being bad is stupid. It's not a matter of adaptation, it's a matter of genre. If you don't like the medium, duh. just me but i honestly couldn't give a shit about VAs. not understanding the language and its vocal nuances takes away from a lot of the appeal, but that's another discussion and not one that i really want to get into. you mention differences in format but that's a massive strawman; you're twisting the discussion from whether an adaptation is worth watching to whether someone prefers a certain type of medium or not. ignoring the fact that animations are a copy of the source doesn't work out because they are inherently truncated versions with pretty visuals (with great audio i guess), mashed together with a compromised plot. fwiw I don't think the animations should be avoided because it's fun to see imaginations come to life, but my main point is, disliking the adaptation for what it is isn't really a negative reaction, nor should it be trivialized to 'being hipster' or whatever. the reaction to adaptations i always find myself with is 'wow this is pretty good but it could have been so much more, if only.' That's the case for the vast majority of shows out there no matter if adaptation or not. If it doesn't matter if the show is an adaptation or not then yes, it can be ignored because it's the same in both scenarios. We just have a lot more adaptations out there than anime original stuff so it's more apparent but that stuff is still going to suffer from less detailed plot if you compare it to a 600 page book. It's just that you don't realize it because there's no original to speak of. So what people hate on isn't that they're worse in story but that they're different compared to the original while good adaptations are in no way inferior to good anime original stuff when it comes to story telling. You just don't realize that a potential source would have been even better at story telling because there is no source. just to put this really simple, really short for the guy I quoted in there: You don't dislike adaptations. You prefere LNs or Mangas with more detailed stories than anime. If there was an anime original getting a good LN adaptation with more fleshed out story than the anime managed to do due to budget and lack of time because it's only a standard 11-12 episode 1 cour, you'd like the adaptation in LN form better than source (Anime). Thus it's not a problem of adaptations. wot lmao why are you trying to presume what I like and what i dislike [...] because you literally said that... Show nested quote +well that's kind of my point.
the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. which is obviously wrong and it IS just a thing about medium and not about wether or not something is source or adaptation.
what are you even saying rn
something that's good != something that one likes
i'm sure there are garbo animes you like, likewise with everything else in life
i'm not even saying that all adaptations are necessarily awful, a lot of them just happen to turn out that way.
you keep comprehending my position as 'some adaptations are awful because it's an anime' but it's really the other way around; some animes are awful because it's an awful adaptation.
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On May 08 2015 06:24 IceHism wrote:
In conclusion: We need more anime originals :D
then the circlejerk of source > adaption wouldn't need to exist
Then we'll bitch at "shitty writing" "lol train wreck" "wtf plot is this" "no plot" etc.
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On May 08 2015 06:57 Toadesstern wrote:Oregairu out and currently watching o/ + Show Spoiler [pic] +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yTGCLqD.jpg) wow omg Iroha
damn it there's still no subs for the new episode T_T
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On May 08 2015 08:06 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 08:03 Numy wrote:On May 08 2015 08:02 synapse wrote:On May 08 2015 07:37 Imperfect1987 wrote:On May 08 2015 07:32 Miragee wrote:meh. Ore Monogatari ep5 was somewhat ok. I don't think I can't last through the full 24 episodes of this show though. Yet, I still want to know what + Show Spoiler +Yamato is hiding from Takeo. Does she want a kiss? Can someone spoil me the manga pls? + Show Spoiler + I haven't read the Manga but judging from that episode there's a 99% chance she just wants a kiss. + Show Spoiler [ore monogatari spoiler] +It's even worse, she just wants to hold hands ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFL. Japan you make me laugh. I know I'm avoiding this show. Oh wow, yeah that's it I'm dropping it now. That's way too lewd for me to handle.
+ Show Spoiler [ore monogatari] +iirc it's something along the lines of "i dont want to tell takeo because then he wont think i'm pure" lol
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On May 08 2015 08:46 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 08:06 Miragee wrote:On May 08 2015 08:03 Numy wrote:On May 08 2015 08:02 synapse wrote:On May 08 2015 07:37 Imperfect1987 wrote:On May 08 2015 07:32 Miragee wrote:meh. Ore Monogatari ep5 was somewhat ok. I don't think I can't last through the full 24 episodes of this show though. Yet, I still want to know what + Show Spoiler +Yamato is hiding from Takeo. Does she want a kiss? Can someone spoil me the manga pls? + Show Spoiler + I haven't read the Manga but judging from that episode there's a 99% chance she just wants a kiss. + Show Spoiler [ore monogatari spoiler] +It's even worse, she just wants to hold hands ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFL. Japan you make me laugh. I know I'm avoiding this show. Oh wow, yeah that's it I'm dropping it now. That's way too lewd for me to handle. + Show Spoiler [ore monogatari] +iirc it's something along the lines of "i dont want to tell takeo because then he wont think i'm pure" lol
This is getting silly
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On May 08 2015 08:16 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 05:53 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 05:43 andyrau wrote:On May 08 2015 05:26 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 04:42 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 04:34 andyrau wrote:On May 08 2015 04:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 03:40 andyrau wrote:On May 08 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 02:42 andyrau wrote:
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the method of storytelling in novels doesn't translate well in anime form, so most of the time the directors simply cut it out of their scripts.
regardless of whether you read the source before or after, you will always feel like you missed out on something in the animation when reviewing it retrospectively. which is what I'm saying. Of course a 600 page book is going to be more detailed than an anime adaptation and why I said the 3 genres have all their strengths and weaknesses. I tend to think that Manga is equally bad in that regard except for very few exceptions and hence will focus on other things and not try to be a 1:1 adaptation with more pictures in there. Hence saying, don't expect it to be 100% the same. The three things have all their strength and weaknesses and yes, stuff that's butchered exists. But just because it's focusing on different things, because they know they can't deliver the same kind of in depth storytelling in anime format doesn't mean it has to be bad. well that's kind of my point. the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. hence i don't think it's fair to say someone's being hipster for griping that the anime sucks because, well, it actually does suck in comparison. obv it doesn't mean you can't enjoy both for what they are. but that's ignoring the strongpoints animation has. No matter how good Monogatari novels are you don't get to listen to Chiwa Saitou while reading them. You don't get to see Shaft visuals. If all you care about is story then yes, LNs are the way to go for you as they are way more detailed. And you probably shouldn't bother with anime because you don't dislike adaptations, you just dislike anime because it's that way for 99% of shows no matter of LN adaptation, manga adaptation or things that aren't adaptations at all. If you can appreciate anime for what it's better at than LNs then there's also that. That's why hating on adaptation for the sake of it being an adaptation rather than the specific one being bad is stupid. It's not a matter of adaptation, it's a matter of genre. If you don't like the medium, duh. just me but i honestly couldn't give a shit about VAs. not understanding the language and its vocal nuances takes away from a lot of the appeal, but that's another discussion and not one that i really want to get into. you mention differences in format but that's a massive strawman; you're twisting the discussion from whether an adaptation is worth watching to whether someone prefers a certain type of medium or not. ignoring the fact that animations are a copy of the source doesn't work out because they are inherently truncated versions with pretty visuals (with great audio i guess), mashed together with a compromised plot. fwiw I don't think the animations should be avoided because it's fun to see imaginations come to life, but my main point is, disliking the adaptation for what it is isn't really a negative reaction, nor should it be trivialized to 'being hipster' or whatever. the reaction to adaptations i always find myself with is 'wow this is pretty good but it could have been so much more, if only.' That's the case for the vast majority of shows out there no matter if adaptation or not. If it doesn't matter if the show is an adaptation or not then yes, it can be ignored because it's the same in both scenarios. We just have a lot more adaptations out there than anime original stuff so it's more apparent but that stuff is still going to suffer from less detailed plot if you compare it to a 600 page book. It's just that you don't realize it because there's no original to speak of. So what people hate on isn't that they're worse in story but that they're different compared to the original while good adaptations are in no way inferior to good anime original stuff when it comes to story telling. You just don't realize that a potential source would have been even better at story telling because there is no source. just to put this really simple, really short for the guy I quoted in there: You don't dislike adaptations. You prefere LNs or Mangas with more detailed stories than anime. If there was an anime original getting a good LN adaptation with more fleshed out story than the anime managed to do due to budget and lack of time because it's only a standard 11-12 episode 1 cour, you'd like the adaptation in LN form better than source (Anime). Thus it's not a problem of adaptations. wot lmao why are you trying to presume what I like and what i dislike [...] because you literally said that... well that's kind of my point.
the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. which is obviously wrong and it IS just a thing about medium and not about wether or not something is source or adaptation. what are you even saying rn something that's good != something that one likes i'm sure there are garbo animes you like, likewise with everything else in life i'm not even saying that all adaptations are necessarily awful, a lot of them just happen to turn out that way. you keep comprehending my position as 'some adaptations are awful because it's an anime' but it's really the other way around; some animes are awful because it's an awful adaptation.
I'm not comprehending it that way and I wouldn't have had an issue with it had you said the red part from the get-go. I'm saying you're talking out of your ass and just don't realize it. You basicly said every adaptation is inferior to the source when there's obviously also adaptations that are better than it's corresponding source (both good as in good, as well as good as in enjoyable), which you completly ignored and refused to admit.
the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. hence i don't think it's fair to say someone's being hipster for griping that the anime sucks because, well, it actually does suck in comparison.
Amaburi was craptons better than it's source for example, mostly because they just did whatever the fuck they wanted at some point. The guy became fucking batman and took out a stadium in the original...
I think everyone in IRC agreed that the Idol episode was the by far best (read = least stupid) episode in Kyoukai no Kanata as well when that aired... and I havn't exactly forced myself through the source of that but I'd assume that wasn't part of it either.
You're completly ignoring the point that animation brings other good points while obviously being worse in the story telling departement and just flat out said they all have to be garbage basicly...
Yes far inbetween but saying "every adaptation is inferior to it's source" and "most adaptations are awful" is a difference. I'd agree with the 2nd one. The first one not at all.
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On May 08 2015 08:46 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 08:06 Miragee wrote:On May 08 2015 08:03 Numy wrote:On May 08 2015 08:02 synapse wrote:On May 08 2015 07:37 Imperfect1987 wrote:On May 08 2015 07:32 Miragee wrote:meh. Ore Monogatari ep5 was somewhat ok. I don't think I can't last through the full 24 episodes of this show though. Yet, I still want to know what + Show Spoiler +Yamato is hiding from Takeo. Does she want a kiss? Can someone spoil me the manga pls? + Show Spoiler + I haven't read the Manga but judging from that episode there's a 99% chance she just wants a kiss. + Show Spoiler [ore monogatari spoiler] +It's even worse, she just wants to hold hands ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFL. Japan you make me laugh. I know I'm avoiding this show. Oh wow, yeah that's it I'm dropping it now. That's way too lewd for me to handle. + Show Spoiler [ore monogatari] +iirc it's something along the lines of "i dont want to tell takeo because then he wont think i'm pure" lol
I dunno how anyone will be able to stand this show by the end of 24 bloody episodes.
Edit: Toad have you even read the Amagi LNs?
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On May 08 2015 08:56 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 08:16 andyrau wrote:On May 08 2015 05:53 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 05:43 andyrau wrote:On May 08 2015 05:26 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 04:42 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 04:34 andyrau wrote:On May 08 2015 04:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 03:40 andyrau wrote:On May 08 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:
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which is what I'm saying. Of course a 600 page book is going to be more detailed than an anime adaptation and why I said the 3 genres have all their strengths and weaknesses. I tend to think that Manga is equally bad in that regard except for very few exceptions and hence will focus on other things and not try to be a 1:1 adaptation with more pictures in there.
Hence saying, don't expect it to be 100% the same. The three things have all their strength and weaknesses and yes, stuff that's butchered exists. But just because it's focusing on different things, because they know they can't deliver the same kind of in depth storytelling in anime format doesn't mean it has to be bad. well that's kind of my point. the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. hence i don't think it's fair to say someone's being hipster for griping that the anime sucks because, well, it actually does suck in comparison. obv it doesn't mean you can't enjoy both for what they are. but that's ignoring the strongpoints animation has. No matter how good Monogatari novels are you don't get to listen to Chiwa Saitou while reading them. You don't get to see Shaft visuals. If all you care about is story then yes, LNs are the way to go for you as they are way more detailed. And you probably shouldn't bother with anime because you don't dislike adaptations, you just dislike anime because it's that way for 99% of shows no matter of LN adaptation, manga adaptation or things that aren't adaptations at all. If you can appreciate anime for what it's better at than LNs then there's also that. That's why hating on adaptation for the sake of it being an adaptation rather than the specific one being bad is stupid. It's not a matter of adaptation, it's a matter of genre. If you don't like the medium, duh. just me but i honestly couldn't give a shit about VAs. not understanding the language and its vocal nuances takes away from a lot of the appeal, but that's another discussion and not one that i really want to get into. you mention differences in format but that's a massive strawman; you're twisting the discussion from whether an adaptation is worth watching to whether someone prefers a certain type of medium or not. ignoring the fact that animations are a copy of the source doesn't work out because they are inherently truncated versions with pretty visuals (with great audio i guess), mashed together with a compromised plot. fwiw I don't think the animations should be avoided because it's fun to see imaginations come to life, but my main point is, disliking the adaptation for what it is isn't really a negative reaction, nor should it be trivialized to 'being hipster' or whatever. the reaction to adaptations i always find myself with is 'wow this is pretty good but it could have been so much more, if only.' That's the case for the vast majority of shows out there no matter if adaptation or not. If it doesn't matter if the show is an adaptation or not then yes, it can be ignored because it's the same in both scenarios. We just have a lot more adaptations out there than anime original stuff so it's more apparent but that stuff is still going to suffer from less detailed plot if you compare it to a 600 page book. It's just that you don't realize it because there's no original to speak of. So what people hate on isn't that they're worse in story but that they're different compared to the original while good adaptations are in no way inferior to good anime original stuff when it comes to story telling. You just don't realize that a potential source would have been even better at story telling because there is no source. just to put this really simple, really short for the guy I quoted in there: You don't dislike adaptations. You prefere LNs or Mangas with more detailed stories than anime. If there was an anime original getting a good LN adaptation with more fleshed out story than the anime managed to do due to budget and lack of time because it's only a standard 11-12 episode 1 cour, you'd like the adaptation in LN form better than source (Anime). Thus it's not a problem of adaptations. wot lmao why are you trying to presume what I like and what i dislike [...] because you literally said that... well that's kind of my point.
the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. which is obviously wrong and it IS just a thing about medium and not about wether or not something is source or adaptation. what are you even saying rn something that's good != something that one likes i'm sure there are garbo animes you like, likewise with everything else in life i'm not even saying that all adaptations are necessarily awful, a lot of them just happen to turn out that way. you keep comprehending my position as 'some adaptations are awful because it's an anime' but it's really the other way around; some animes are awful because it's an awful adaptation. I'm not comprehending it that way and I wouldn't have had an issue with it had you said the red part from the get-go. I'm saying you're talking out of your ass and just don't realize it. You basicly said every adaptation is inferior to the source when there's obviously also adaptations that are better than it's corresponding source (both good as in good, as well as good as in enjoyable), which you completly ignored and refused to admit. Show nested quote +the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. hence i don't think it's fair to say someone's being hipster for griping that the anime sucks because, well, it actually does suck in comparison. Amaburi was craptons better than it's source for example, mostly because they just did whatever the fuck they wanted at some point. The guy became fucking batman and took out a stadium in the original... I think everyone in IRC agreed that the Idol episode was the by far best (read = least stupid) episode in Kyoukai no Kanata as well when that aired... and I havn't exactly forced myself through the source of that but I'd assume that wasn't part of it either. You're completly ignoring the point that animation brings other good points while obviously being worse in the story telling departement and just flat out said they all have to be garbage basicly... Yes far inbetween but saying "every adaptation is inferior to it's source" and "most adaptations are awful" is a difference. I'd agree with the 2nd one. The first one not at all.
alright
you kept insisting that it was due to the medium of storytelling that people say adaptations are garbage and kept stuffing words in my mouth. probably why you think i'm talking out of my ass when all you do is make strawmen consisting of media format comparisons.
I don't want to go back through the thread and cite my sources like I'm doing an academic assignment but I am pretty certain I said I enjoyed anime for what it was and recognized its strengths as a form of entertainment.
when I said the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. hence i don't think it's fair to say someone's being hipster for griping that the anime sucks because, well, it actually does suck in comparison. it was simply a really poorly worded generalization when the rest of my point didn't center on this at all, idk why you keep nitpicking this specific quote.
my intention when I wrote it was "the source [text based] is always better [as a storytelling vehicle] than the animation" and I thought the addition of "because it's a more complete story" would have been enough to spell it out.
sorry if it didn't come across that way, I think I would have saved both of us a lot of typing.
as the vast majority of adaptations are garbage compared to the source I am pretty sure it's the process of adapting rather than the medium that is to blame, and I don't find anything wrong with this thought process or preconceived disposition when one approaches or reviews an animated adaptation.
are there exceptions to this? ofc and i'm happy that there are.
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On May 08 2015 09:18 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 08:46 synapse wrote:On May 08 2015 08:06 Miragee wrote:On May 08 2015 08:03 Numy wrote:On May 08 2015 08:02 synapse wrote:On May 08 2015 07:37 Imperfect1987 wrote:On May 08 2015 07:32 Miragee wrote:meh. Ore Monogatari ep5 was somewhat ok. I don't think I can't last through the full 24 episodes of this show though. Yet, I still want to know what + Show Spoiler +Yamato is hiding from Takeo. Does she want a kiss? Can someone spoil me the manga pls? + Show Spoiler + I haven't read the Manga but judging from that episode there's a 99% chance she just wants a kiss. + Show Spoiler [ore monogatari spoiler] +It's even worse, she just wants to hold hands ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFL. Japan you make me laugh. I know I'm avoiding this show. Oh wow, yeah that's it I'm dropping it now. That's way too lewd for me to handle. + Show Spoiler [ore monogatari] +iirc it's something along the lines of "i dont want to tell takeo because then he wont think i'm pure" lol I dunno how anyone will be able to stand this show by the end of 24 bloody episodes. Edit: Toad have you even read the Amagi LNs?
I gave up on it pretty early after massive facepalm (not enough facepalm like Mahouka to make it worth to go through raws for that), but given that ragz (I think he read it?) also saidOn May 08 2015 01:38 ragz_gt wrote:
There are many example of adaptation is better, like Scrapped Princess, Moe Pirates, and most of KyoAni moe stuff. I also feel that if you watch the adaptation first then read source later, you would enjoy the adaptation even when it deviates, but if you read source first then watch adaptation, more likely than not you'd think the difference is bad. as well as Eca constantly laughing about it in irc doesn't make me think it'd get better later on.
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Eca shits on like every series lolol so not a good metric to measure by.
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he doesn't shit on Oregairu and Monogatari.
And Ragz generally speaking is the same kind of shitty fantasy harem connoisseur I am. It was him who hyped up NGNL before that aired (iirc?) and we all know how much I loved that show. Between the two and me not having a good first impression that's enough for me o/
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Well then I will borrow a part of Sent's argument against Goody and say that you can't possibly say that Amagi anime was better then the LN series if you barely actually read anything from the source.
Kinda funny you bring up NGNL, that is a good example of a adaptation that actually was competently done within 12 eps.
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On May 08 2015 09:48 Toadesstern wrote:
he doesn't shit on Oregairu and Monogatari.
And Ragz generally speaking is the same kind of shitty fantasy harem connoisseur I am. It was him who hyped up NGNL before that aired (iirc?) and we all know how much I loved that show. Between the two and me not having a good first impression that's enough for me o/
Have you read Clockwork Planet? Don't think you're a manga reader but same author as NGNL.
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On May 08 2015 09:56 Slaughter wrote:
Well then I will borrow a part of Sent's argument against Goody and say that you can't possibly say that Amagi anime was better then the LN series if you barely actually read anything from the source.
I'm not going to read it. I'm not Sent enough to force myself through Infinite Stratos just to shit on it.
If Ragz and Eca both said the Anime was better and I stopped because it's not worth it in comparison to Anime that does have something to it.
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On May 08 2015 10:06 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 09:56 Slaughter wrote:
Well then I will borrow a part of Sent's argument against Goody and say that you can't possibly say that Amagi anime was better then the LN series if you barely actually read anything from the source. I'm not going to read it. I'm not Sent enough to force myself through Infinite Stratos just to shit on it. If Ragz and Eca both said the Anime was better and I stopped because it's not worth it in comparison to Anime that does have something to it.
If you haven't watched/read something yourself, you aren't allowed to shit on it. Period. Otherwise its practically the very definition of talking out of your ass. Ragz and Eca's opinion on something doesn't constitute fact.
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On May 08 2015 03:40 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:On May 08 2015 02:42 andyrau wrote:On May 08 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
If you read LNs first you obviously have to be hipster and hate on how the anime is different no matter what they do. the method of storytelling in novels doesn't translate well in anime form, so most of the time the directors simply cut it out of their scripts. regardless of whether you read the source before or after, you will always feel like you missed out on something in the animation when reviewing it retrospectively. which is what I'm saying. Of course a 600 page book is going to be more detailed than an anime adaptation and why I said the 3 genres have all their strengths and weaknesses. I tend to think that Manga is equally bad in that regard except for very few exceptions and hence will focus on other things and not try to be a 1:1 adaptation with more pictures in there. Hence saying, don't expect it to be 100% the same. The three things have all their strength and weaknesses and yes, stuff that's butchered exists. But just because it's focusing on different things, because they know they can't deliver the same kind of in depth storytelling in anime format doesn't mean it has to be bad. well that's kind of my point. the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. hence i don't think it's fair to say someone's being hipster for griping that the anime sucks because, well, it actually does suck in comparison. obv it doesn't mean you can't enjoy both for what they are.
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I don't understand how anyone can believe in an absolute like this lmao
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