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Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
May 08 2015 01:44 GMT
#97801
Shrug :v, each medium has it's pros and cons. All I can say is, summer is STACKED for me lol.
I post only when my brain works.
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
May 08 2015 01:59 GMT
#97802
On May 08 2015 10:38 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 03:40 andyrau wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:42 andyrau wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
If you read LNs first you obviously have to be hipster and hate on how the anime is different no matter what they do.

the method of storytelling in novels doesn't translate well in anime form, so most of the time the directors simply cut it out of their scripts.
regardless of whether you read the source before or after, you will always feel like you missed out on something in the animation when reviewing it retrospectively.

which is what I'm saying. Of course a 600 page book is going to be more detailed than an anime adaptation and why I said the 3 genres have all their strengths and weaknesses. I tend to think that Manga is equally bad in that regard except for very few exceptions and hence will focus on other things and not try to be a 1:1 adaptation with more pictures in there.

Hence saying, don't expect it to be 100% the same. The three things have all their strength and weaknesses and yes, stuff that's butchered exists. But just because it's focusing on different things, because they know they can't deliver the same kind of in depth storytelling in anime format doesn't mean it has to be bad.

well that's kind of my point.
the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. hence i don't think it's fair to say someone's being hipster for griping that the anime sucks because, well, it actually does suck in comparison.

obv it doesn't mean you can't enjoy both for what they are.

?????

I don't understand how anyone can believe in an absolute like this lmao

OK so it seems that often media critics conflate media forms with their associated industries often in discussions of adaptations. Although different media have different capacities, most of the value lost in practical terms during adaptations is due to industry constraints instead of media constraints. For example, in an LN to Anime adaptation, the Anime will often have a lower word count, but that is not because Anime as a medium simply cannot sustain such a high word count, but because industry constraints make it too expensive to do so.

Really, each rendition of a work, and each work in all of creation, should be assessed on its own merits. Usually this necessitates a holistic context, not an independent one, since humans as beholders are incapable of judging things independently, but let's not get into that. If you take a look at older works with great numbers of renditions, such as a play like Romeo and Juliet, you'll see that there are too many versions with their own merits and flaws that you can't justifiably apply a one-line absolute rule by which to judge them. Each set of actors or content creators brings their own ideas into the imagining, meaning that each product is worth at least cursory assessment before categorizing it as better or worse.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
May 08 2015 02:09 GMT
#97803
On May 08 2015 09:48 Toadesstern wrote:
he doesn't shit on Oregairu and Monogatari.

And Ragz generally speaking is the same kind of shitty fantasy harem connoisseur I am. It was him who hyped up NGNL before that aired (iirc?) and we all know how much I loved that show. Between the two and me not having a good first impression that's enough for me o/


I like fantasy adventure... harem just comes with territory. I don't mind amagi novel but it's not fantasy, I mean, the only thing fantasy element does in that show is comedic relief.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 02:13:17
May 08 2015 02:12 GMT
#97804
When it comes to talking about anime adaptions, its also crazy to simply judge it solely based on the story. While obviously the story is an important part to many anime, the entire thing that makes anime what it is is the animation/art and music/sound, and they are factors that are very important to the experience as well. Like take Redline for example. If you graded it solely based on story, it probably wouldn't fair too well. But factor in 7 years and 100,000 hand-drawn frames of animation, combined with an exciting sound track, and its great.

Basically, the visual and audio aspect of anime is a very key part of the experience, and ignoring them or trivializing them misses the entire point of them being anime. Similarly, when an anime looks like dog shit, like Sailor Moon Crystal or the full CGI in Knights of Sidonia, complaints about how it looks is all the more valid. If you just want a story and don't care about the other things that make anime what it is, go read a book or something.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 02:22:56
May 08 2015 02:22 GMT
#97805
Mahou Tsukai No Yome always gets me a bit teary eyed after every chapter, a very nice chapter this week. (18)
I post only when my brain works.
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 02:30:13
May 08 2015 02:29 GMT
#97806
I wonder how many people would watch unlimited blade works if they gave it the standard budget that most anime get.

Also, i like sidonia's visuals :<
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51708 Posts
May 08 2015 02:30 GMT
#97807
On May 08 2015 11:22 Reaper9 wrote:
Mahou Tsukai No Yome always gets me a bit teary eyed after every chapter, a very nice chapter this week. (18)


indeed, this chapter was very good.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
May 08 2015 02:32 GMT
#97808
On May 08 2015 11:29 IceHism wrote:
I wonder how many people would watch unlimited blade works if they gave it the standard budget that most anime get.

Also, i like sidonia's visuals :<


After what DEEN did to the Fate route I am sure everyone would have been happy with just a competently done adaptation.
Never Knows Best.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 08 2015 02:36 GMT
#97809
On May 08 2015 11:22 Reaper9 wrote:
Mahou Tsukai No Yome always gets me a bit teary eyed after every chapter, a very nice chapter this week. (18)

That series is Ecael-dono approved. o/
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 02:41:30
May 08 2015 02:38 GMT
#97810
due to the nature and size of most source material its more then often better but not always

Grisai was really meh and I only watched it for the animation/VA of the girls(Sachi ofc), storywise it was a diaster. On the other hand Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-Kun lends itself much better to an anime format and was at the very least just as good as its source material(if not better with Chiyo 's VA).
WriterXiao8~~
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
May 08 2015 02:41 GMT
#97811
On May 08 2015 10:38 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 03:40 andyrau wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:42 andyrau wrote:
On May 08 2015 02:10 Toadesstern wrote:
If you read LNs first you obviously have to be hipster and hate on how the anime is different no matter what they do.

the method of storytelling in novels doesn't translate well in anime form, so most of the time the directors simply cut it out of their scripts.
regardless of whether you read the source before or after, you will always feel like you missed out on something in the animation when reviewing it retrospectively.

which is what I'm saying. Of course a 600 page book is going to be more detailed than an anime adaptation and why I said the 3 genres have all their strengths and weaknesses. I tend to think that Manga is equally bad in that regard except for very few exceptions and hence will focus on other things and not try to be a 1:1 adaptation with more pictures in there.

Hence saying, don't expect it to be 100% the same. The three things have all their strength and weaknesses and yes, stuff that's butchered exists. But just because it's focusing on different things, because they know they can't deliver the same kind of in depth storytelling in anime format doesn't mean it has to be bad.

well that's kind of my point.
the source will always be better than the animation (or movie, if you want a wider application) as it's a more complete story. hence i don't think it's fair to say someone's being hipster for griping that the anime sucks because, well, it actually does suck in comparison.

obv it doesn't mean you can't enjoy both for what they are.

?????

I don't understand how anyone can believe in an absolute like this lmao

As it turns out I wasn't the only one who had a problem with that after all. Thanks ZNF o/
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 08 2015 02:49 GMT
#97812
On May 08 2015 11:29 IceHism wrote:
I wonder how many people would watch unlimited blade works if they gave it the standard budget that most anime get.

Also, i like sidonia's visuals :<

agree. I love sidonia's visuals. When I first started watching season 1, it was 'different' lol but it grows on you. Add in an interesting story, great characters and setting and it's a masterpiece :D
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 08 2015 03:08 GMT
#97813
On May 08 2015 11:49 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 11:29 IceHism wrote:
I wonder how many people would watch unlimited blade works if they gave it the standard budget that most anime get.

Also, i like sidonia's visuals :<

agree. I love sidonia's visuals. When I first started watching season 1, it was 'different' lol but it grows on you. Add in an interesting story, great characters and setting and it's a masterpiece :D

I'm pretty sure how you just described it visually is actually something akin to Stockholm Syndrome.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44313 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 03:10:54
May 08 2015 03:10 GMT
#97814
the yahari subs still not out T_T

On May 08 2015 11:29 IceHism wrote:
I wonder how many people would watch unlimited blade works if they gave it the standard budget that most anime get.

Also, i like sidonia's visuals :<

i'm probably one of those who'll drop it like a few episodes after if that was the case
this is a quote
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 08 2015 03:11 GMT
#97815
On May 08 2015 12:08 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 11:49 BigFan wrote:
On May 08 2015 11:29 IceHism wrote:
I wonder how many people would watch unlimited blade works if they gave it the standard budget that most anime get.

Also, i like sidonia's visuals :<

agree. I love sidonia's visuals. When I first started watching season 1, it was 'different' lol but it grows on you. Add in an interesting story, great characters and setting and it's a masterpiece :D

I'm pretty sure how you just described it visually is actually something akin to Stockholm Syndrome.

LOL Sent, pls. There's no link there...
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 08 2015 03:15 GMT
#97816
Its okay, it happens to the best of us, even myself in more cases than I would like to admit. One just needs to accept it, and move on.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 07:15:11
May 08 2015 07:12 GMT
#97817
oh man snafu never fails to deliver
aghhhh i need more
:)
Imperfect1987
Profile Joined August 2010
United States558 Posts
May 08 2015 07:35 GMT
#97818
Oregairu S2 Ep6
+ Show Spoiler +
I have a feeling Hikigaya helping out solo is going to come back to bite him hard. It's kind of strange that he wants to help out with the Christmas event. I wonder what his motivation might be.
The keyboard is mightier than the pen.
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
May 08 2015 07:58 GMT
#97819
Iroha is so great. Service club tension and suffering is so great
I can't wait for next episode.

On May 08 2015 16:35 Imperfect1987 wrote:
Oregairu S2 Ep6
+ Show Spoiler +
I have a feeling Hikigaya helping out solo is going to come back to bite him hard. It's kind of strange that he wants to help out with the Christmas event. I wonder what his motivation might be.


+ Show Spoiler +


I thought it was pretty clear. He got her into the mess so he has to help clean it up and also, i think he wants to get away from the service club since to him, the tension in the air can explode any moment. While 8man might be cynical, he is still quite honorable and moral. I really don't think he has any motivation besides the fact that he really does like helping people.
ShurykaN
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States338 Posts
May 08 2015 08:01 GMT
#97820
sidonia's cgi visuals are really bad, don't deny it. story is ok i guess but feels like another evangelion/freezing/claymore/attack on titan clone
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