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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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andyrau
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
1) Shinbou asked urobuchi wether he could change Sayaka's ending because he (shinbou) apparently liked her a lot and wanted that her ending isn't THAT sad. Urobuchi didn't allow that though because Sayaka was so important to the story the way she was. 2) the epilogue never was meant to be a tease for a continuation but an actual end with nothing after that. The fact that she ended up + Show Spoiler + having demonesque wings 3) The ending in Rebellion was forced down on it to keep it open for a continuation and it initially had a completly different ending. No idea if it's true, but I think I heard it in a review from Arkada so who knows. On September 09 2014 15:48 Sentenal wrote: From Wikipedia: You can make your own decision about it when you get there. There are certainly worse Magical Girl endings out there than Madoka's (I'm looking at you, Mai Hime), but I'd say Madoka's ending was certainly lacking. it's not a new event (was shown in episode 1...) it's not a new character it's not a new ability (+ Show Spoiler + the ability itself was used a crapton of times, mami revived herself, could have revived her parents and was just to stupid to use it correctly. Sayaka saved the boy and so on and so on. It was mentioned that Madoka's ability is a crapton stronger and that she could do whatever the fuck she wants like a million times... it's not a new object either so really, if you're trying to say that everything involving magic is deus ex than yeah it is... but that's a stupid argument to make. Like I said, look at the ending from Rebellion in contrast. Now THAT's a deus ex machina... | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On September 09 2014 15:55 Toadesstern wrote: funnily enough there're three rumors (I think I saw it in a review?) that I heard about. 1) Shinbou asked urobuchi wether he could change Sayaka's ending because he (shinbou) apparently liked her a lot and wanted that her ending isn't THAT sad. Urobuchi didn't allow that though because Sayaka was so important to the story the way she was. 2) the epilogue never was meant to be a tease for a continuation but an actual end with nothing after that. The fact that she ended up + Show Spoiler + having demonesque wings 3) The ending in Rebellion was forced down on it to keep it open for a continuation and it initially had a completly different ending. No idea if it's true, but I think I heard it in a review from Arkada so who knows. it's not a new event (was shown in episode 1...) it's not a new character it's not a new ability (+ Show Spoiler + the ability itself was used a crapton of times, mami revived herself, could have revived her parents and was just to stupid to use it correctly. Sayaka saved the boy and so on and so on. It was mentioned that Madoka's ability is a crapton stronger and that she could do whatever the fuck she wants like a million times... it's not a new object either so really, if you're trying to say that everything involving magic is deus ex than yeah it is... but that's a stupid argument to make. Like I said, look at the ending from Rebellion in contrast. Now THAT's a deus ex machina... Um, the scale of what your referring to makes it deus ex, it way outclassed anything previously seen in the series and my problem was that what she did seemed like such a band aid solution when she could have done so much more (but they wanted to avoid it being tooo happy I guess). | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17735 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 09 2014 16:11 Slaughter wrote: Um, the scale of what your referring to makes it deus ex, it way outclassed anything previously seen in the series and my problem was that what she did seemed like such a band aid solution when she could have done so much more (but they wanted to avoid it being tooo happy I guess). the scale of it however is the name of the thing... that'd be like complaining that the guy in OreImo ends up with his sister when it's clearly written on the cover of the book and everyone should know what they're getting themselves... + Show Spoiler + the entire show is called Madoka, you get to listen to 11 episodes of how imba madoka would be if she just did something and for those 11 episodes Madoka isn't even considered a character really.. even in the end she's almost supposed to be an object troughout the entire series that other people interact with but she doesn't do anything. So yeah, the scale is obviously different | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 09 2014 16:13 Ilikestarcraft wrote: znf is kyubey haha my thoughts exact, someone stop him from recruiting to TLADT! | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
WTFFFFFFF is this ending. Like really, may be a sad ending where everyone dies would have been better. Seem like they tried to go for the happiest possible ending where most number of problems are solved:
But still, at the end Sayaka still died. I'm not sure about the part where Mami and Kyouko seem to be alive again, fighting and Sayaka died (again), history changed or something? Also, while this seem to solve most problems, it ultimately doesn't solve any problem at all. No more witches to fight, here come wraiths. Homura still fighting, and that fucking cat still there. I probably prefer something like Homura killed the Walpuris and died in the process, leaving Madoka untouched. But the fucked up cat is still there. Or Madoka just erase the entire cat race with her wish and died together with Homura: friendship is magic let's die together. and world apocalypse. Or may be that is too much killing. Homura was so cool until Madoka god happen | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + That was my problem with the ending, she could have done pretty much anything and gotten a 100% happy ending (outside of her ceasing to exist I guess) but she still didn't fix the core shit. She should have stopped those fucking cat people from coming in the 1st place so none of the girls got involved from the start (of course they gave some contrived reason that humanity would be back in the stone age if the cats didn't evo them of w/e) Or she could have just rewritten the fucking meta and said the cats used happiness energy or something to fix their stupid fucking problem so they wouldn't go around emotionally crushing and breaking down the girls. It also makes you question how the fucking cat people can't solve their own problem when they have access to so much power and technology that they need to harvest girls. | ||
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Kirsed
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 09 2014 16:45 bluegarfield wrote: okay dokay, I just finished Madoka series! WTFFFFFFF is this ending. Like really, may be a sad ending where everyone dies would have been better. Seem like they tried to go for the happiest possible ending where most number of problems are solved:
But still, at the end Sayaka still died. I'm not sure about the part where Mami and Kyouko seem to be alive again, fighting and Sayaka died (again), history changed or something? Also, while this seem to solve most problems, it ultimately doesn't solve any problem at all. No more witches to fight, here come wraiths. Homura still fighting, and that fucking cat still there. I probably prefer something like Homura killed the Walpuris and died in the process, leaving Madoka untouched. But the fucked up cat is still there. Or Madoka just erase the entire cat race with her wish and died together with Homura: friendship is magic let's die together. and world apocalypse. Or may be that is too much killing. Homura was so cool until Madoka god happen + Show Spoiler + ya, the wraith thing (or rather the way Madoka went about it with her wish) didn't fully solve the problem though to be fair, this can also be part of the whole milking Madoka that was mentioned earlier so it was purposely done. I dunno though but something to think about. Slaughter does a much better explanation of what should've happened imo. | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On September 09 2014 16:49 Slaughter wrote: Eh the Madoka ending she limited herself imo. + Show Spoiler + That was my problem with the ending, she could have done pretty much anything and gotten a 100% happy ending (outside of her ceasing to exist I guess) but she still didn't fix the core shit. She should have stopped those fucking cat people from coming in the 1st place so none of the girls got involved from the start (of course they gave some contrived reason that humanity would be back in the stone age if the cats didn't evo them of w/e) Or she could have just rewritten the fucking meta and said the cats used happiness energy or something to fix their stupid fucking problem so they wouldn't go around emotionally crushing and breaking down the girls. It also makes you question how the fucking cat people can't solve their own problem when they have access to so much power and technology that they need to harvest girls. Then again, the whole "cats help evo humanity" thing may or may not be true, given how sly the cat is and never tell everything + Show Spoiler + could be cat help evo humanity but humanity could also evo themselves at a slower rate The "cat cant solve their own problem" is probably just to set the stage for the whole story, I have no problem with that. About Madoka, may be she is too loving and caring for everybody to think of anything but sacrificing herself, seeing how she has always considered that option since the first few ep, but I agree that this could have ended in many different ways that are much better. On September 09 2014 17:05 BigFan wrote: ya, the wraith thing (or rather the way Madoka went about it with her wish) didn't fully solve the problem though to be fair, this can also be part of the whole milking Madoka that was mentioned earlier so it was purposely done. I dunno though but something to think about. Slaughter does a much better explanation of what should've happened imo. yep I also feel the same. Although I am late to the show and Madoka the movies are already out, I still think the intention to milk the series further is there, which makes the series having such stupid ending. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + did deciding to break some more lamps almost get the whole school killed...? sort of suspected shinji was behind the boundary field, not too surprised about that. dunno why shirou puts up with shinji. speaking of shirou, his blatant sexism and incredible stubbornness irritates me. we get it. sabers a girl. we get it. you have some "chivalristic" view that girls need to be protected. she clearly much stronger and a better fighter than you, but you're so fucking stubborn. grrr. despite all that, really enjoying the story so far! | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On September 09 2014 16:37 Shock710 wrote: is nyaa down again? i cant seem to load the pageThey predicted the downtime this time while they're sorting some things out. Will be up again relatively soon. | ||
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AbareKiller
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 09 2014 17:16 bluegarfield wrote: Then again, the whole "cats help evo humanity" thing may or may not be true, given how sly the cat is and never tell everything + Show Spoiler + could be cat help evo humanity but humanity could also evo themselves at a slower rate The "cat cant solve their own problem" is probably just to set the stage for the whole story, I have no problem with that. About Madoka, may be she is too loving and caring for everybody to think of anything but sacrificing herself, seeing how she has always considered that option since the first few ep, but I agree that this could have ended in many different ways that are much better. yep I also feel the same. Although I am late to the show and Madoka the movies are already out, I still think the intention to milk the series further is there, which makes the series having such stupid ending. I haven't watched any of the movies and only watched the anime after they were released but it's just something that makes sense considering how I heard the 3rd movie ended lol. Either way, I wouldn't bother overthinking the ending and just assume that Madoka was blinded by all her options or something. | ||
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Miragee
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On September 08 2014 18:30 BLinD-RawR wrote: guess what else, Togashi is taking another indefinite hiatus. No manga either. That's just sad. Best series out there by far. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On September 09 2014 15:55 Toadesstern wrote: funnily enough there're three rumors (I think I saw it in a review?) that I heard about. 1) Shinbou asked urobuchi wether he could change Sayaka's ending because he (shinbou) apparently liked her a lot and wanted that her ending isn't THAT sad. Urobuchi didn't allow that though because Sayaka was so important to the story the way she was. 2) the epilogue never was meant to be a tease for a continuation but an actual end with nothing after that. The fact that she ended up + Show Spoiler + having demonesque wings 3) The ending in Rebellion was forced down on it to keep it open for a continuation and it initially had a completly different ending. No idea if it's true, but I think I heard it in a review from Arkada so who knows. it's not a new event (was shown in episode 1...) it's not a new character it's not a new ability (+ Show Spoiler + the ability itself was used a crapton of times, mami revived herself, could have revived her parents and was just to stupid to use it correctly. Sayaka saved the boy and so on and so on. It was mentioned that Madoka's ability is a crapton stronger and that she could do whatever the fuck she wants like a million times... it's not a new object either so really, if you're trying to say that everything involving magic is deus ex than yeah it is... but that's a stupid argument to make. Like I said, look at the ending from Rebellion in contrast. Now THAT's a deus ex machina... You gotta be kidding me. It wasn't a new event, because Episode 1 didn't show her turning into a plot device that solved all the relevant problems (episode 1 showed a seemingly helpless situation), it wasn't a new ability because no one had ever done it before or even mentioned "hey, maybe you can use your wish to turn into a plot device". "Do whatever you want" is not an excuse for to just brush everything under the carpet. | ||
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1] from Latin, meaning "god from the machine"; plural: dei ex machina) is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object. Depending on how it is done, it can be intended to move the story forward when the writer has "painted himself into a corner" and sees no other way out.
