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On July 14 2014 20:26 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I think you're railing against the show for little reason except being nitpicky. I don't even like the show that much, but I don't understand where you get this idea that the "minimal effort put towards visual effects" is subpar relative to the effort that most anime put in.
I don't think any other show this season has better visuals, so unless you think every other anime this season is being directed by "fraudulent creators" I'm not sure what you're trying to get.
Argevollen is better than Aldnoah.Zero in every regard I mentioned, except for CGI, for example. Akame ga kill, Glasslip and Tokyo Ghoul have superior visuals and, what's even more important in my opinion, better general designs. Yeah, I can totally understand there could be easily even worse producted shows in rotation, but these series wasn't being compared to currently airing shows to begin with, and my posts might sound harsher than your average critique, 'cause I am a fan of sci-fi and mecha genre in general, therefore show needs to have certain qualities to qualify for being "watchable" at least.
Last, but not least, it's the scale of creators that matters too, I can't pass on every complaint like it was good old Gonzo or low budget Toei way of production, and I doubt people can justify someone's else opinion objecting solely at technical issues anyway. Maybe I didn't put it clear, but the main concern isn't the quality of video, it's just a side thing which I decided to note, it's the general approach (designs, script, atmosphere, setting, action direction, unique conception, character development) and show failed in every aspect at me.
My friends are still watching the show btw, some exclusively for badass MC, who doesn't mind being his hand broken by cute girls, what a man of patience he is.
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On July 14 2014 14:20 BigFan wrote:Tokyo ESP: + Show Spoiler +whelp, guess it's the Xmen all over again lol. Supposedly, that beginning was towards the end of the manga. I don't really agree with doing that since even if we were only given a bit, it felt like it spoils the ending. I dunno, they should've just taken it from step 1 and begin with the whole meets penguin thing as the first episode and just proceeded as usual. Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 14:02 Toadesstern wrote:On July 14 2014 12:59 BigFan wrote:On July 14 2014 09:17 Toadesstern wrote:
BigFan not only a hater of fmp but also a hater of german football.
Guy has been cheering for Brazil and Argentina. Yes! I've been an Argentina fan since I can remember. There are only a couple of other teams that I would put ahead of them and almost none made it past group stages. That game was Argentina's to lose due to Higuain and that other forward both messing up 2 golden opportunities. Poor Argentina :/ ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wcPoykj.gif) LOL. + Show Spoiler +While I'm willing to admit that the game had me on edge every time Germany attacked, I think Argentina losing Di Maria, having a Messi who wasn't looking well and forwards that both missed golden opportunities and didn't seem to work well with Messi (see below) lead to them losing against Germany. Let's not forget that early foul that should've been a red and Neuer smacking his elbow into Higuain which got looked over due to being the finals. Germany did lose Khaedira and Kramer so that was problematic too and had 2-3 chances (that header would've haunted them if they lost). Still, I will always cheer for Argentina! I'll also leave this here: On July 14 2014 14:16 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 11:31 Steveling wrote:On July 14 2014 11:15 IntoTheWow wrote:Meh, hard to criticize messi, he scored 2 goals against nigeria (one was amazing), winning goal against Bosnia (very difficult too), winning goal against Iran (impossible goal lol), made the winning play against Switzerland and rumor has it he's not 100% fit physically. I would hardly blame him, he was man marked most games (usually with 2 defenders closing on him (several times with 3-4 defenders on him when he grabbed the ball vs Belgium)... You cannot simply have one player do everything every game, at least not anymore in 2014, maybe around the 1950s. Coaches learned how to neutralize those threats (at expense on leaving something else open or less guarded), but asking him to pull what he did vs Iran in every game (for example) is like asking a golfer to strike a hole-in-one every game. Maybe we should criticize Cristiano Ronaldo for not scoring 1-2 goals every game, since he's the Ballon d'Or holder. Kind of a toxic argument don't you think?  The rumor? lol The guy barely walks after 60mins in every world cup game. Either he has a condition, something to do with his vomiting as well, or for some reason he is rly lacking in fitness. What do argentinians say about him intothewow? ya, this seemed odd to me as well. I can understand if he expends a lot of energy when he makes all those runs but even then, at times, he's just walking around to gain it back so it can't be that he's unfit or anything like that. Maybe he's got some nasty cold though that wouldn't explain the vomiting. I feel that it was more that his team didn't click with him that well. Several times especially in the 2nd half, he'll make a good break, a great pass infront of the goalie but none of his team members were there to complete it and I vaguely recall him looking frustrated (maybe even pointing and shouting something) in one of those occasions.
+ Show Spoiler +honestly most people in germany are mad as fuck about the ref because everyone thinks he was really in favor of argentina.
The red card... yeah that could have been a red card, at the same time there were 2 or 3 yellow-red cards that were ignored within 3 minutes at the end of the game that should all have been clear yellow cards but didn't end up being ones because clearly the ref wasn't willing to send people off the field. Schweinsteiger was running on the field bleeding for crying out loud and they tackled him, hitting his legs/feet when there wasn't even a ball and the ref just didn't see that happening...
The second attack vs Kramer that knocked him out wasn't even shown.
The thing Neuer did is exactly the same Sergio Romero did. He literally did the same thing just without captain falco action but instead a stretched out kick with the spikes of his shoe going first into the enemy and noone gave a fuck about that.
A lot of people think the Kramer thing that was shown should have been a penalty because you can see a 2nd guy from ARG who's pushing him into that situation but that's a bit far fetched and would have been out of line with how lenient he was troughout the entire game.
But in the end it's fine because we won so it's stuff like "not even that scumbag off a ref could deny us our 4th title!" you'll hear people say.
About the header... yeah that was quite dramatic...
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On July 15 2014 01:29 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 14:20 BigFan wrote:Tokyo ESP: + Show Spoiler +whelp, guess it's the Xmen all over again lol. Supposedly, that beginning was towards the end of the manga. I don't really agree with doing that since even if we were only given a bit, it felt like it spoils the ending. I dunno, they should've just taken it from step 1 and begin with the whole meets penguin thing as the first episode and just proceeded as usual. On July 14 2014 14:02 Toadesstern wrote:On July 14 2014 12:59 BigFan wrote:On July 14 2014 09:17 Toadesstern wrote:
BigFan not only a hater of fmp but also a hater of german football.
Guy has been cheering for Brazil and Argentina. Yes! I've been an Argentina fan since I can remember. There are only a couple of other teams that I would put ahead of them and almost none made it past group stages. That game was Argentina's to lose due to Higuain and that other forward both messing up 2 golden opportunities. Poor Argentina :/ LOL. + Show Spoiler +While I'm willing to admit that the game had me on edge every time Germany attacked, I think Argentina losing Di Maria, having a Messi who wasn't looking well and forwards that both missed golden opportunities and didn't seem to work well with Messi (see below) lead to them losing against Germany. Let's not forget that early foul that should've been a red and Neuer smacking his elbow into Higuain which got looked over due to being the finals. Germany did lose Khaedira and Kramer so that was problematic too and had 2-3 chances (that header would've haunted them if they lost). Still, I will always cheer for Argentina! I'll also leave this here: On July 14 2014 14:16 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2014 11:31 Steveling wrote:On July 14 2014 11:15 IntoTheWow wrote:Meh, hard to criticize messi, he scored 2 goals against nigeria (one was amazing), winning goal against Bosnia (very difficult too), winning goal against Iran (impossible goal lol), made the winning play against Switzerland and rumor has it he's not 100% fit physically. I would hardly blame him, he was man marked most games (usually with 2 defenders closing on him (several times with 3-4 defenders on him when he grabbed the ball vs Belgium)... You cannot simply have one player do everything every game, at least not anymore in 2014, maybe around the 1950s. Coaches learned how to neutralize those threats (at expense on leaving something else open or less guarded), but asking him to pull what he did vs Iran in every game (for example) is like asking a golfer to strike a hole-in-one every game. Maybe we should criticize Cristiano Ronaldo for not scoring 1-2 goals every game, since he's the Ballon d'Or holder. Kind of a toxic argument don't you think? The rumor? lol The guy barely walks after 60mins in every world cup game. Either he has a condition, something to do with his vomiting as well, or for some reason he is rly lacking in fitness. What do argentinians say about him intothewow? ya, this seemed odd to me as well. I can understand if he expends a lot of energy when he makes all those runs but even then, at times, he's just walking around to gain it back so it can't be that he's unfit or anything like that. Maybe he's got some nasty cold though that wouldn't explain the vomiting. I feel that it was more that his team didn't click with him that well. Several times especially in the 2nd half, he'll make a good break, a great pass infront of the goalie but none of his team members were there to complete it and I vaguely recall him looking frustrated (maybe even pointing and shouting something) in one of those occasions. + Show Spoiler +honestly most people in germany are mad as fuck about the ref because everyone thinks he was really in favor of argentina.
The red card... yeah that could have been a red card, at the same time there were 2 or 3 yellow-red cards that were ignored within 3 minutes at the end of the game that should all have been clear yellow cards but didn't end up being ones because clearly the ref wasn't willing to send people off the field. Schweinsteiger was running on the field bleeding for crying out loud and they tackled him, hitting hit legs/feet when there wasn't even a ball and the ref just didn't see that happening...
The second attack vs Kramer that knocked him out wasn't even shown.
The thing Neuer did is exactly the same Sergio Romero did. He literally did the same thing just without captain falco action but instead a stretched out kick with the spikes of his shoe going first into the enemy and noone gave a fuck about that.
A lot of people think the Kramer thing that was shown should have been a penalty because you can see a 2nd guy from ARG who's pushing him into that situation but that's a bit far fetched and would have been out of line with how lenient he was troughout the entire game.
But in the end it's fine because we won so it's stuff like "not even that scumbag off a ref could deny us our 4th title!" you'll hear people say.
About the header... yeah that was quite dramatic...
in true american fashion, i didnt care or watch any of the world cup...glad germany won, would have been just as glad if argentina won. At least brazil didn't win
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you actually went ahead and checked out Love Stage?
I was suprised you tagged the Momo Kyun Sword only as "not very great" and than I realized that the one show to the right of it is actually even more dropworthy
Also BigFan should know Shinobu. He said he watched the first 3 episodes I think and she does appear in the first one at least. Maybe in the 2nd one as well.
And glad to hear you're enjoying Kizumonogatari goody, it's really a good read and a must-read if you're into Monogatari.
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On July 15 2014 00:59 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Argevollen is better than Aldnoah.Zero in every regard I mentioned, except for CGI, for example.
I mean, okay. I haven't watched the second episode of Argevollen, but...okay I can see why people might like it more.
Akame ga kill, Glasslip and Tokyo Ghoul have superior visuals and, what's even more important in my opinion, better general designs.
I haven't seen past episode one of Tokyo Ghoul, but okay, I can see where you're going with that I guess.
But then...really? You think that Akame ga Kill and Glasslip have superior visuals? Like...wut?
PA Works must be really good at fooling people into thinking that adding fancy lighting/shining effects is akin to having good visuals. There are points where the animation is fine, such as when the MC is making glass, but otherwise, it's just your standard PA works where the girl character designs are basically reminiscent of their previous characters and with decently well drawn backgrounds. There's like one scene where the girl rides her bike and you're like "wow...that looks great" but other than that, it's like a less good looking Makoto Shinkai experience. There was also this weird point where the anime, at least three times in the second episode, transitioned from animation to a random still sketch for no reason whatsoever. In that sense, Glasslip is fine in the visual department, but to say that it's better than Aldnoah, which basically does the same thing and more is pretty bold and unfounded.
The fluidity of animation in Akame ga Kill's first episode is by far lazier and less inspired than Aldnoah, so I don't even know where you're going with this. Just take a look at the fight scenes. Very little creativity involved since it's essentially what you see in every other girl that has a sword, black screens with slashing sounds that transition into people getting cut up, plenty of still shots/panned shots, and just the general flow of the animation doesn't look as crisp and smooth. There's lots of wind up before the action, and when the action happens there's just slow motion or a lot of cuts that really doesn't show the animation of a cute girl with a sword cutting up people.
Compare this with Aldnoah Zero where they basically spent a whole shit ton of money animating at least three/four fight explosive scenes with little break in between. Sure you might not like the way the fights roll out, or you might not like the overall setting/story/characters, but the visuals are independent of those.
I won't even touch on general designs since that's an obvious taste issue. I don't know what you're basing your concept of "visuals" off of, but the animation in Aldnoah Zero is by far superior to the two of the three you mentioned. Had you mentioned SAO and Tokyo Ghoul, yeah, maybe I'd say I could see the preference for one over the other, but saying Glasslip and AGK have better visuals than AZ is strange and without any solid reasoning other than perhaps the fact that you like the way the characters are drawn more than AZ, which I would agree since the AZ character designs are about as generic as it gets.
Yeah, I can totally understand there could be easily even worse producted shows in rotation, but these series wasn't being compared to currently airing shows to begin with, and my posts might sound harsher than your average critique, 'cause I am a fan of sci-fi and mecha genre in general, therefore show needs to have certain qualities to qualify for being "watchable" at least.
I don't think it sounds harsher. I think it just sounds unnecessary and nitpicky.
I'm a fan of sci-fi of all kinds. It's my favorite genre to read/watch/etc, but I don't find Aldnoah Zero unwatchable. You make it sound like any fan of sci-fi/mecha should automatically find the show distasteful, rote, and uninspired, which obviously isn't the case.
Last, but not least, it's the scale of creators that matters too, I can't pass on every complaint like it was good old Gonzo or low budget Toei way of production, and I doubt people can justify someone's else opinion objecting solely at technical issues anyway. Maybe I didn't put it clear, but the main concern isn't the quality of video, it's just a side thing which I decided to note, it's the general approach (designs, script, atmosphere, setting, action direction, unique conception, character development) and show failed in every aspect at me.
Okay first of all....the scale of creators that matter? I don't know what that means, but I don't think judging a work based on who the creators are is always a fair assessment.
Second of all, you have two episodes to judge this off of, which are basically as expository as it gets. Like literally...nothing has actually happened in this show. The first two episodes are essentially the biggest example of a hook that lures you in with nothing else but good visuals and that's it.
Everything else related to the plot was pretty much as predictable as it gets, sure, but you're saying things like "character development" as if this was supposed to happen by now. You critique the villains as boring when we've learned nothing about them. You say that this is a wannabe sci-fi setting when literally no sci-fi material has been remotely been touched on.
Like....yes, I could say all this shit about Aldnoah Zero, but that'd be the same as me going back to the second episode of Ergo Proxy and complaining about not knowing what Proxies are, or going back to watching Texhnolyze and saying that Yoshii is a terrible vapid character based on two episodes that we've seen of him. Or that Psycho Pass is dumb because it's just a minority report rip off.
I guess it's fine to not like it because the show just isn't doing it for you with the atmosphere and you think the mech designs turn you off. Or that it's predictable. Or that you're confused by the main character's random emotionless state. Or that the animation is a turn off. That's perfectly fine. I drop shows and hate on things for probably more asinine reasons. But half your complaints about targeting things that haven't even happened yet. Maybe the villains will turn out to be really uninteresting. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. But the stuff you're ragging on hasn't even been explored in the slightest.
You also compared this show's writing to Saya no Uta's for some reason....which I don't get.
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On July 15 2014 01:50 Zergneedsfood wrote:
The fluidity of animation in Akame ga Kill's first episode is by far lazier and less inspired than Aldnoah, so I don't even know where you're going with this. Just take a look at the fight scenes. Very little creativity involved since it's essentially what you see in every other girl that has a sword, black screens with slashing sounds that transition into people getting cut up, plenty of still shots/panned shots, and just the general flow of the animation doesn't look as crisp and smooth. There's lots of wind up before the action, and when the action happens there's just slow motion or a lot of cuts that really doesn't show the animation of a cute girl with a sword cutting up people.
this made me think about Tokyo ESP...and i have to say...at least the animation in that is much better than Akame. Specifically i mean the fights are better, and when they do the whole black screens with slashing sound there's a cool teleporting thing the girl does that looks really good.
On July 15 2014 01:48 Toadesstern wrote:you actually went ahead and checked out Love Stage? I was suprised you tagged the Momo Kyun Sword only as "not very great" and than I realized that the one show to the right of it is actually even more dropworthy
well, i'm not dropping Momo, but i guess not very great is the wrong title...those should probably all be under "pretty bad" but i'm still watching at least. I think momo has some ok spots + Show Spoiler + particularly when she fuses with the wolf and has some pretty awesome fight after that with cool ass wolf attack that gives a nice visual
And bakumatsu is ridiculous...but the music is really good. at least to me, and i was thinking about it recently...i think b/c im a drummer i pick out the percussion in songs and if it's good i like the song a lot more and the drums in all those songs are awesome. Add into that a decent guitar and bass line with mediocre or better singing and the songs a hit for me. I donno if i'm explaining it right...I guess it's, the drum line can make or break a song, and when it's really good it gives me goosebumps and i get all hyped over it.
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Oh yeah, I watched that first episode too.
It seemed like an okay anime. If the manga was finished, I would read it instead though. >_>
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Well after finally getting around to starting the new season I think I will keep these shows
Ao Haru Ride
Barakamon
Rokujouma no Shinryakusha!?
Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance
Tokyo Ghoul
Tokyo ESP aka fake X-Men
Also Hanamonogatari when it comes out of course.
Any other shows you guys are liking that I might have missed? Not Akame because I don't want to watch that O_o
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Does Hanamonogatari have any Senjougahara or Shinobu in it? Kanbaru is great too but need those two in my life.
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It is a purely Kanbaru vol, Araragi and co have minimal appearances.
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On July 15 2014 04:06 Slaughter wrote:
Well after finally getting around to starting the new season I think I will keep these shows
Ao Haru Ride
Barakamon
Rokujouma no Shinryakusha!?
Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance
Tokyo Ghoul
Tokyo ESP aka fake X-Men
Also Hanamonogatari when it comes out of course.
Any other shows you guys are liking that I might have missed? Not Akame because I don't want to watch that O_o
Nozaki-kun, It's got Miyuki Sawashiro!
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On July 15 2014 04:22 Ecael wrote:
It is a purely Kanbaru vol, Araragi and co have minimal appearances.
Guess a whole vol of Miyuki Sawashiro isn't bad at all.
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On July 15 2014 04:26 Sterlymobile wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 04:06 Slaughter wrote:
Well after finally getting around to starting the new season I think I will keep these shows
Ao Haru Ride
Barakamon
Rokujouma no Shinryakusha!?
Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance
Tokyo Ghoul
Tokyo ESP aka fake X-Men
Also Hanamonogatari when it comes out of course.
Any other shows you guys are liking that I might have missed? Not Akame because I don't want to watch that O_o Nozaki-kun, It's got Miyuki Sawashiro!
Got Nakahara and Sawashiro -> Random newbie on Sakura
SMH
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On July 15 2014 04:38 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 04:26 Sterlymobile wrote:On July 15 2014 04:06 Slaughter wrote:
Well after finally getting around to starting the new season I think I will keep these shows
Ao Haru Ride
Barakamon
Rokujouma no Shinryakusha!?
Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance
Tokyo Ghoul
Tokyo ESP aka fake X-Men
Also Hanamonogatari when it comes out of course.
Any other shows you guys are liking that I might have missed? Not Akame because I don't want to watch that O_o Nozaki-kun, It's got Miyuki Sawashiro! Got Nakahara and Sawashiro -> Random newbie on Sakura SMH
I think she's doing great for a newbie. Gotta start somewhere
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She has some good delivery, but her monotone gets on my nerve half the time.
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Somewhat different from what I was hoping for but good enough for a noobie imo, I'll take it.
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ragz is just a hipster VA elitist.
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On July 15 2014 04:06 Slaughter wrote:
Well after finally getting around to starting the new season I think I will keep these shows
Ao Haru Ride
Barakamon
Rokujouma no Shinryakusha!?
Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance
Tokyo Ghoul
Tokyo ESP aka fake X-Men
Also Hanamonogatari when it comes out of course.
Any other shows you guys are liking that I might have missed? Not Akame because I don't want to watch that O_o
I'm liking Sabagebu and DRAMAtical Murder myself. I haven't watched Blade Dance yet, is it good?
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We have someone actually watching that BL otomege? Geez. I don't think even uta read that shit.
If you want fantasy harem Rokujouma is better, if you really struggle and hate yourself then go for seireitsukai.
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On July 15 2014 05:41 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 04:06 Slaughter wrote:
Well after finally getting around to starting the new season I think I will keep these shows
Ao Haru Ride
Barakamon
Rokujouma no Shinryakusha!?
Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance
Tokyo Ghoul
Tokyo ESP aka fake X-Men
Also Hanamonogatari when it comes out of course.
Any other shows you guys are liking that I might have missed? Not Akame because I don't want to watch that O_o I'm liking Sabagebu and DRAMAtical Murder myself. I haven't watched Blade Dance yet, is it good?
Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance was ok I guess? Almost seems like another Dragonar type but with less fan service. Its borderline for me to continue it but I want to give it at least 2 more episodes to see more about it. Its not like Majimoji Rurumo which I dropped right away.
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