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On July 08 2014 17:06 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 16:36 Zeke50100 wrote:
The value of a season should consider the quality of the shows, rather than (arbitrary) categorization. That you ignore other significant factors indicates that you have entirely shallow desires. I am mostly talking from experience of sci-fi, mecha and shoujo-ai (the most rare shit even nowadays) fans. Before 2012 came you don't have much mecha to chose from, there was only Gundam and Shin Mazinger from 2009 to 2011, and people who for some reason wanted more (or didn't dig the sub-genre) was forced to watch some sub-par cheap shows with power-suit kind of powers like Symphogear, or Viper's Creed or turn their eyes to tokusatsu shows (Kamen Rider, Ultraman, Super Sentai) or whatever else. There were like 5 sci-fi TV series in a 5 years of 2009-2013 period (Humanity has Declined; Psycho Pass, Shinsekai Yori, - and they both came at best fall season to boot; Space Brothers, Steins;Gate - which didn't fully satisfy me for example, despite people constantly praising them, hah), even-even less of shoujo-ai, so as much as things are looking good now, don't take it for granted - it took signifact amount of time to get here.
and what does sci-fi/mecha/shoujo-ai fans have to do with judging seasons by diversity? You bring up all these examples of specific genres which you feel are underrepresented. Fine. But we're talking about diversity as the sole factor in determining quality of a season. Even if those 3 genres are underrepresented, if every other genre was represented, that's still an amazing season, though maybe not the best. You can't bring up a specific genre which is historically underrepresented if we're judging off numbers of genres. Rather, it's completely irrelevant to the topic of "should seasonal quality be based on genre diversity?"
Not sure why you bring up sub-par cheap shows or not being fully satisfied by shows when that shouldn't matter as long as the genre was covered. If we judge solely off genre diversity, then a season which covers 20 genres but has only sub par cheap shows and fails to satisfy the target fanbases is inherently equal to a season which covers the same 20 genres and has superb production and satisfies all the fans.
I would be much more inclined to accept judging based on something like, number of people satisfied. Even though this means seasons with crap like SAO and Shingeki would become "the best," it's much more logical because there is a strong agreement of it being a quality season. With your method, every single anime fan could be angry and displeased, but if the genres are covered, who cares, best season ever!
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On July 08 2014 17:48 konadora wrote:
Updated with the summer chart, sorry for the delay!
Personally excited for Aldnoah.Zero, and Tokyo Ghoul (though I think the manga is just fine)
sup man
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On July 08 2014 21:38 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Uhhh it's been quite a while since there's been a good science fiction TV series in general, as far I can remember lol. Just based on my list I don't think I've seen a good science fiction show since Ergo Proxy (2006), though it's less sci-fi and more psychological. @__@
So you consider all 5 shows I listed being "no good"?)
Why are we also talking about whether or not number of genres represented suddenly makes a season better than others?
Because people can't judge objectively the quality of all airing shows.
Is it merely because of amount of anime you can select?
If we consider probability theory, the answer is yes.
Because at that point, you can say every season has gotten progressively better than the next,
Well, the general trend is that it shouldn't be worse. But sometimes there're exceptions.
I believe the summer season that had Photokano was the worst I've experienced
It was spring 2013, the weakest spring season I've seen too.
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On July 08 2014 22:04 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 21:38 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Uhhh it's been quite a while since there's been a good science fiction TV series in general, as far I can remember lol. Just based on my list I don't think I've seen a good science fiction show since Ergo Proxy (2006), though it's less sci-fi and more psychological. @__@ So you consider all 5 shows I listed being "no good"?) No, some of them are okay. I liked Jinrui and Steins;Gate, those were both good. Stopped watching Space Bros for reasons unrelated to its quality, dropped Shin Sekai (before the yaoi actually) because it was too boring.
Psycho Pass was average.
Because people can't judge objectively the quality of all airing shows. I think they can. You do mean objectively as in without bias right? I think people are more fair about their evaluations...or at least I meet people who are generally more reasonable.
Well, the general trend is that it shouldn't be worse. But sometimes there're exceptions. 2006-2009 had a lot of good anime. I think it's gonna be hard to top those. There have been a lot of good attempts over the last few years though. I think 3/5 my top favorites were made between 2009 and now.
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wasn't 2003 the best year of anime ? at least that what i gathered after asking IRC once.
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On July 08 2014 22:19 goody153 wrote:
wasn't 2003 the best year of anime ? at least that what i gathered after asking IRC once.
Could be. Texhnolyze came out in 2003.
Edit: Just took a look. Yeah 2003 looked like a pretty good year. A lot of popular titles like Wolf's Rain, Gunslinger Girl, Gungrave, Planetes, FMA....
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On July 08 2014 18:17 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 17:48 konadora wrote:
Updated with the summer chart, sorry for the delay!
Personally excited for Aldnoah.Zero, and Tokyo Ghoul (though I think the manga is just fine) No worries  No Akame ga Kill?
the girl does look like my type :3 and the storyline is very intriguing! slowly moving away from moeblobs and more into "serious" themes like akumetsu and tokyo ghoul so it might be relevant to me right now
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About watching anime by its genre :
I find myself in a similar situation. When I decide which anime I want to watch at the start of a season, I will usually go by genre. I know certain genres do not interest me (say Harem). Of course, by no mean is this the «best» way to approach anime. In an ideal world, you will give every shows a try before deciding what to watch. But not everyone has the time or desire to watch that many shows.
Similarly, when I want to play a new video game, I will usually limit myself to certain genre. I know I love RPG. So if a game is a RPG, I will most likely get it (on consoles). That being said, from times to times, I do find some gems that are from other genre... Metal Gear Solid... Last of Us...
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Isn't Psycho Pass 2 in the works or something?
Gonna enjoy the Moe Police again ;;.
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On July 08 2014 23:13 Kipsate wrote:
Isn't Psycho Pass 2 in the works or something?
Gonna enjoy the Moe Police again ;;.
Yea, I think its due for next season!
I might pick up this season's PP to watch it again...
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This is reminding me of a certain retarded argument in the past where some dude argued that grimdark is the best because grimdark sells and nothing else does.
Want to know why there are so few sci fi shows for so long? Because sci fi doesn't sell, people rarely write scifi in the anime/ln/manga field. Those are more the jobs of people writing serious novels, or something. Scifi for anime is just going to be space opera or mecha the majority of the time simply because those actually have a steady otaku audience. Take jintai, Tanaka Romeo started writing it in ummm...06~08 or something, idr. Pretty big name if you know the industry, number of high profile VNs. Then a random flop in his career where he kind dies out after a vaporware VN. Then he gets picked up by Key. All the sudden there was just a year full of hype for his stuff and he gets jintai and Aura pushed out. All for no real reason with pretty much nothing to do with production side.
So now what, are we going to just look at the whims of the industry where one random season sees the production of a rare genre and call it a good season? Please. It isn't as if we are tasting wine and categorizing things under a certain year and time. If we want to make that logic consistent, then at least look at the years when the source was conceived rather than when you get to sample the finished products.
On July 08 2014 23:13 Kipsate wrote:
Isn't Psycho Pass 2 in the works or something?
Gonna enjoy the Moe Police again ;;.
The show is probably better loved for its moe and derivative products shipping random BL than it is for the contents.
On July 08 2014 23:09 XenOmega wrote:
About watching anime by its genre :
I find myself in a similar situation. When I decide which anime I want to watch at the start of a season, I will usually go by genre. I know certain genres do not interest me (say Harem). Of course, by no mean is this the «best» way to approach anime. In an ideal world, you will give every shows a try before deciding what to watch. But not everyone has the time or desire to watch that many shows.
Similarly, when I want to play a new video game, I will usually limit myself to certain genre. I know I love RPG. So if a game is a RPG, I will most likely get it (on consoles). That being said, from times to times, I do find some gems that are from other genre... Metal Gear Solid... Last of Us...
That's a guideline to efficient consumption of materials. How does it have to do with the quality of the materials in question? If you think that you should try out everything but have no time, then that's just that. Not that game releases are as regular timewise as tv shows, but just because a certain year failed to produce good RPGs for you won't make it a bad year if everything else was stellar, would it?
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Probably the worst season of all time !!!!
In all seriousness Im watching Tokyo Ghoul, Akame ga Kill, SAO II and might watch Tokyo ESP and Zankyou no Terror.
Can anyone tell me if SAO II gonna be better from the first one because I didnt like it that much but there isnt anything other to watch anyway.
Really weak season, other shows seems really dull.
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If you didn't like it the first time. I doubt you will like it the second time. Especially since i think the gungale arc is a lot worse.
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On July 08 2014 23:22 Ecael wrote:
Want to know why there are so few sci fi shows for so long? Because sci fi doesn't sell, people rarely write scifi in the anime/ln/manga field. Those are more the jobs of people writing serious novels, or something. Scifi for anime is just going to be space opera or mecha the majority of the time simply because those actually have a steady otaku audience. Take jintai, Tanaka Romeo started writing it in ummm...06~08 or something, idr. Pretty big name if you know the industry, number of high profile VNs. Then a random flop in his career where he kind dies out after a vaporware VN. Then he gets picked up by Key. All the sudden there was just a year full of hype for his stuff and he gets jintai and Aura pushed out. All for no real reason with pretty much, nothing to do with production side.
I always was under the impression that sci-fi is a pretty big thing in Japan though. I mean...aren't they in love with PKD? @__@
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On July 08 2014 23:36 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 23:22 Ecael wrote:
Want to know why there are so few sci fi shows for so long? Because sci fi doesn't sell, people rarely write scifi in the anime/ln/manga field. Those are more the jobs of people writing serious novels, or something. Scifi for anime is just going to be space opera or mecha the majority of the time simply because those actually have a steady otaku audience. Take jintai, Tanaka Romeo started writing it in ummm...06~08 or something, idr. Pretty big name if you know the industry, number of high profile VNs. Then a random flop in his career where he kind dies out after a vaporware VN. Then he gets picked up by Key. All the sudden there was just a year full of hype for his stuff and he gets jintai and Aura pushed out. All for no real reason with pretty much, nothing to do with production side. I always was under the impression that sci-fi is a pretty big thing in Japan though. I mean...aren't they in love with PKD? @__@
It is, just not in the anime/manga field really. There are quite a number of well established publishers that specialize in sf and sf specialized magazines for serial works or short stories. Just that those things don't tend to see anime releases. While mangas and lns can see live action adaptations, novel adaptations into anime form is exceedingly rare.
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On July 08 2014 22:01 KazeHydra wrote:You can't bring up a specific genre which is historically underrepresented if we're judging off numbers of genres.
Mecha and shoujo-ai aren't historically underpresented from 2000s though.
Not sure why you bring up sub-par cheap shows or not being fully satisfied by shows when that shouldn't matter as long as the genre was covered.
It wasn't mecha genre that's why it doesn't count.
With your method, every single anime fan could be angry and displeased, but if the genres are covered, who cares, best season ever!
That's important point, after all. I don't remember saying we can pinpoint the exact quality of season ever using only genre diversity option, but we can safely assume the more choices consumer can make the higher the chance of getting the better product he has in open market conditions therefore such season couldn't be the worst (the scenario of all 20 genres getting mediocre or awful treatment all the same time isn't considered realistically possible).
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Why even bother looking at genres instead of just amount of animes available at that point lol
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On July 08 2014 23:55 Ecael wrote:
Why even bother looking at genres instead of just amount of animes available at that point lol
Because if we are going to try and stay objective, we should consider as much huge target audiences as possible.
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On July 08 2014 23:56 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 23:55 Ecael wrote:
Why even bother looking at genres instead of just amount of animes available at that point lol Because if we are going to try and stay objective, we should consider as much huge target audiences as possible.
You just need to shotgun as many products out and eventually everyone will be satisfied.
Also big hint, there is no huge target audience unless you are Sazae-san. The irony of trying to maximize coverage for a super niche hobby is palpable.
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On July 08 2014 23:59 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 23:56 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On July 08 2014 23:55 Ecael wrote:
Why even bother looking at genres instead of just amount of animes available at that point lol Because if we are going to try and stay objective, we should consider as much huge target audiences as possible. You just need to shotgun as many products out and eventually everyone will be satisfied. The irony of trying to maximize coverage for a super niche hobby is palpable.
Wait, what? I got taught the exact opposite thing at the economics class.
Don't tell me you view anime industry as a monopolistic market.
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