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On July 08 2014 23:09 XenOmega wrote:
About watching anime by its genre :
I find myself in a similar situation. When I decide which anime I want to watch at the start of a season, I will usually go by genre. I know certain genres do not interest me (say Harem). Of course, by no mean is this the «best» way to approach anime. In an ideal world, you will give every shows a try before deciding what to watch. But not everyone has the time or desire to watch that many shows.
Similarly, when I want to play a new video game, I will usually limit myself to certain genre. I know I love RPG. So if a game is a RPG, I will most likely get it (on consoles). That being said, from times to times, I do find some gems that are from other genre... Metal Gear Solid... Last of Us...
Moreover, when a show completely comes completely out of left field and is way better than you expected? Expect a bunch of hype that'll draw you to it anyway. For me the prime example is Mouretsu Pirates. Chock full of moe-moe characters, taglined in english as "Bodacious Space Pirates", and the general blandness of shows that are "[silly or over the top thing] in a school club", I passed it over for about half it's season. After it got hyped and recommended, I went and watched. In a vacuum, not watching anime due to it's summary, wiki page and (usually) source content is an awful way to go about things, but if you're here, you're likely immersing yourself in one or two anime communities at the least. If you passed on a good show the community will let you know.
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Alternatively, Kibibit, the community will scumbag you, and recommend you bad anime. :3
Gotta pick and choose from the reliable people.
Basically what I'm saying is, ignore everything I tell you to watch.
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I give up. ForTehDarkseid, you have the mindset that his view on seasonal quality of anime is de facto dependent on diversity of genre, and have incredibly weak arguments to actually support it. Your only arguments are that you, personally, have felt more pleased with the increasing amount of certain shows, but fail to consider the thoughts of others; not to mention, rejecting other viewpoints that base seasonal quality on individual show quality is baseless and is, in fact, entirely unsupported and hypocritical. If people are unable to judge, accurately, the quality of shows, how are they suddenly able to judge the appropriate number of genres to be represented in a good season?
What even is a genre? It's an arbitrary categorization based on common themes in anime - but who decides those themes? Certainly, if my perception of those themes is different, then I have a completely different understanding of what "genres" should be represented - so much for an objective measure. You can talk all you want about the "market," but the market has only ever determined economic success. It should be clear that the market is not a perfect indicator of quality - there are plenty of times when the market has "chosen wrong," and to take the approach of anime from the viewpoint of a profit-maximizing industry worker rather than an intelligent, independent member of the audience is ridiculous.
I don't need a history lesson. For our purposes, history has nothing to do with philosophy unless you can support, with evidence, that history can somehow provide insight into the quality of anime. Don't give me viewership numbers and sales figures unless you can tell me exactly why those matter, and why there could be no other confounding variables.
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On July 09 2014 00:04 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 23:59 Ecael wrote:On July 08 2014 23:56 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On July 08 2014 23:55 Ecael wrote:
Why even bother looking at genres instead of just amount of animes available at that point lol Because if we are going to try and stay objective, we should consider as much huge target audiences as possible. You just need to shotgun as many products out and eventually everyone will be satisfied. The irony of trying to maximize coverage for a super niche hobby is palpable. Wait, what? I got taught the exact opposite thing at the economics class. Don't tell me you view anime industry as a monopolistic market.
I knew that was coming and that still made my head hurt. Anyway, I have two options for you.
One, I can try to get Aers here to yell and educate you about the Japanese broadcasting industry.
Two, I can make some joke about trying to apply economic principles to Japan and how well that works for the common sense they taught us.
Sarcasm hasn't failed this hard since bigfan.
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I'm pretty sure boats maximizes target audience.
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Boats is delayed so summer is objectively worse than fall.
Seriously, who uses shoujo-ai?
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On July 08 2014 16:42 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 16:13 Ecael wrote:
The art flick people that also watch anime here hates bake for the most part lol I'm never gonna win aren't I?
Okay let's be honest, I'm a total Shaft fanboy and I really love that from them. I absolutely loved the animation in all of Monogatari, I liked it in Mekaku City actors because... well it's copy &pasted monogatari with a lot less budget (or all the money went into music, idk) from the looks of it but Madoka, especially the 3rd movie looked so much better than Monogatari and I didn't think that would be possible.
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I guess people are viewing me as a total nutjob (dota is boring atm, what else I am supposed to do) but some people are jumping at me with SARCASM and COMMON SENSE kind of replies that means they are kind of interested in the matter and can benefit from my clarifying comments, so here we go.
On July 09 2014 00:16 Zeke50100 wrote:
I give up. ForTehDarkseid, you have the mindset that his view on seasonal quality of anime is de facto dependent on diversity of genre
I can't see such a claim anything but a strawman, sorry.
+ Show Spoiler [here's my thesises, btw] +If you are certain genre fan, in most cases you are going to start watching given shows based on the sole fact it made in your favorite genre, and meet show more friendly than usual because next season such opportunity might not exist, therefore it only seems rational to merit the season by it's diversity. From experience, it should be more convincing than presenting to your opponent certain major hits that aired season.
I don't remember saying we can pinpoint the exact quality of season ever using only genre diversity option, but we can safely assume the more choices consumer can make the higher the chance of getting the better product he has in the open market conditions therefore such season couldn't be the worst (the scenario of all 20 genres getting mediocre or awful treatment all the same time isn't considered realistically possible).
I don't need a history lesson.
You need a statistics lesson. I dislike going this road, but there is no other way it seems. You are thinking about dependency, I am talking correlation.
Your only arguments are that you, personally, have felt more pleased with the increasing amount of certain shows
I don't remember mentioning personal experience. Personal observations of said fans, sure.
If people are unable to judge, accurately, the quality of shows, how are they suddenly able to judge the appropriate number of genres to be represented in a good season?
Because counting is apparently easier than accounting.
What even is a genre?
The last thing I want to argue about in this case is semantics.
You can talk all you want about the "market," but the market has only ever determined economic success
It's wrong, but it really takes us far-far away from discussion. You will have hard time arguing that "economic success" THEORETICALLY doesn't increase "the MEAN quality of all aviable products on that particular market" with any decent economist, I'll give you that.
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On July 09 2014 01:17 ForTehDarkseid wrote: + Show Spoiler +I guess people are viewing me as a total nutjob (dota is boring atm, what else I am supposed to do) but some people are jumping at me with SARCASM and COMMON SENSE kind of replies that means they are kind of interested in the matter and can benefit from my clarifying comments, so here we go. On July 09 2014 00:16 Zeke50100 wrote:
I give up. ForTehDarkseid, you have the mindset that his view on seasonal quality of anime is de facto dependent on diversity of genre I can't see such a claim anything but a strawman, sorry. + Show Spoiler [here's my thesises, btw] +If you are certain genre fan, in most cases you are going to start watching given shows based on the sole fact it made in your favorite genre, and meet show more friendly than usual because next season such opportunity might not exist, therefore it only seems rational to merit the season by it's diversity. From experience, it should be more convincing than presenting to your opponent certain major hits that aired season.
I don't remember saying we can pinpoint the exact quality of season ever using only genre diversity option, but we can safely assume the more choices consumer can make the higher the chance of getting the better product he has in the open market conditions therefore such season couldn't be the worst (the scenario of all 20 genres getting mediocre or awful treatment all the same time isn't considered realistically possible). I don't need a history lesson. You need a statistics lesson. I dislike going this road, but there is no other way it seems. You are thinking about dependency, I am talking correlation. Your only arguments are that you, personally, have felt more pleased with the increasing amount of certain shows I don't remember mentioning personal experience. Personal observations of said fans, sure. If people are unable to judge, accurately, the quality of shows, how are they suddenly able to judge the appropriate number of genres to be represented in a good season? Because counting is apparently easier than accounting. What even is a genre? The last thing I want to argue about in this case is semantics. You can talk all you want about the "market," but the market has only ever determined economic success It's wrong, but it really takes us far-far away from discussion. You will have hard time arguing that "economic success" THEORETICALLY doesn't increase "the MEAN quality of all aviable products on that particular market" with any decent economist, I'll give you that.
Here's some data for you:
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Good god, shut up, all of you. You are bringing the biggest cancer threads of TL, economics/marketing/politics, into an anime thread. Good job.
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The na'vi song is perfect.
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On July 08 2014 19:59 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 17:43 BigFan wrote:
My take: I realize that many people have certain genres that they like watching and others that they shy away from however as an example, even if a season has a ton of romcoms (assuming many viewers love that genre), if the quality of those anime is poor (art, story etc...) then those romcoms won't be watched much. In other words, while having a diverse set of anime can be a good idea (can consider different genres here), it can backfire if their quality is pretty bad since most viewers will drop them within an episode or two. Yeah, ofc it can always backfire, but anime industy isn't that collaborative planning conglomerate in my eyes, every maker and studio competes with each other. On the other hand, not many anime fans can rather objectively judge the quality of niche anime that doesn't appeal to them, while genre distribution should be clear for anyone) Sailor Moon: + Show Spoiler +I messed up again, what a day! You're totally right about Mercury, she would be right from the beginning, I though we were speaking about a girl with OP death destruction abilities which is named after Saturn, haha, I mean it was so freshing to see it her at first time and medium went insta massproducting that character type after, or so it seems, so I guess she was quite popular, too.
The worst thing about cat is that it starts obnoxiously teaching Usagi how to act in real life to the point where latter would always inevitable fail because how pressuring those "wise" advices are, this is a one unnecessary prolonged joke if I've ever seen one. And than cat would sometimes interfere in daily lives of other Sailor Warriors, some damage would be caused because of her (in)decisions, and then there would come even more cats, one of them is Luna's (name of the said cat) love interest and they would act as lovey-dovey drugged retards all the time.
And then comes their's cat daughter from future, and in the film cat becomes a human, which doesn't positively change a single trait in her character , she is even more sloppier and now has means to control situation not only orally, but physically too. Add "omg so kawaii" acting to that, and you'll understand why film bombed like no tomorrow, hahaha.
Maybe it won't reach that level of tiring in remake, but holy poly in first episode her dialogue is totally unpolished and taken from manga word by word, so she speaks generic awkward sounding one-liners in over-generic cat voice, which doesn't boot my confidence in better future at all.
Sailor Moon: + Show Spoiler +lol. Unfortunately, I don't remember what powers they have XD Well, I think the idea is that the cat tries to help her improve herself which isn't necessarily a bad idea considering she doesn't care for some important things lol. yes, I'm sure it gets a bit obnoxious but should be entertaining.
I don't recall Luna's love interest but I see it as fair play if they are 'close'. lol well, that film sounds like it's quite the funny experience XD
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The sailor moon anime didn't age well but the manga was great.
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On July 09 2014 02:02 Kaal wrote:
The sailor moon anime didn't age well but the manga was great.
which part? lol.
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Oh god Jinsui put me to sleep.
I guess my tastes are finally changing when I cant even sit through an episode of a show like this.
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On July 09 2014 02:18 Digitalis wrote:
Oh god Jinsui put me to sleep.
I guess my tastes are finally changing when I cant even sit through an episode of a show like this.
You mean Jinsei?
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I really thought he was talking about Humanity has Declined.
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Jinsei is pretty different from Jinsui. Since I finally got used to the JP abbreviation of the latter as Jintai I think we should all switch over o/
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Wow quite the debate happened while i was sleeping.
I'm just curious...am I the only one that doesn't even look at genre when determining whether or not to watch a show/if i like a show? I usually just read the description, then watch the first few episodes, and can tell pretty quickly if i'm gonna like it or not. but to be frank, there's not a whole lot i haven't liked that i've watched so there is that.
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