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konadora
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aers
United States1210 Posts
On June 09 2009 16:12 konadora wrote: I have too many series to watch. I still have StrikerS and Bamboo Blade on top of my list. Don't bother with StrikerS. Sub-wise for Saki, Crunchyroll is subbing it so all the subs you find are going to be rips from there. Underwater-Mahjong's are probably the best, as Daiz has some people who play mahjong help correct the errors CR makes in terminology. But really, they'll all be fine. ps: Watch TTGL now! Its half the reason I got involved with the fansubbing community! | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On June 09 2009 19:17 aers wrote: Don't bother with StrikerS. Sub-wise for Saki, Crunchyroll is subbing it so all the subs you find are going to be rips from there. Underwater-Mahjong's are probably the best, as Daiz has some people who play mahjong help correct the errors CR makes in terminology. But really, they'll all be fine. ps: Watch TTGL now! Its half the reason I got involved with the fansubbing community! Isn't that meant more to discourage people from watching it than the other way around?! | ||
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aers
United States1210 Posts
...well then. | ||
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Wangsta
United States776 Posts
On June 09 2009 19:06 Ecael wrote: Except that's the point, you are supposed to both sigh at how Yui is and how much talent she has, I'd kill for perfect pitch and the ability to replicate music from hearing it so few times. Elitist should come after being a lover of music, where at least you are getting more people exposed and wanting to pick up an instrument. The anger can come when the wimps realize how hard it actually is and give up. This isn't supposed to be like Beck, it is a slice of life comedy based on a 4koma not unlike Lucky Star. If you want to complain about Yui, just claim Azusa or Mio as superior, after all, those two practice. Probably Mugi too (I mean she won contests), but that's the classical piano player in me talking :p I realize it's not supposed to be 100% accurate, but the show doesn't make that attitude very obvious. If anything, it seems that they trying to make the music believable with all the practice scenes and drama regarding performances. On a side note, My roommate has perfect pitch and has been heavily into music since he was like 3. He plays guitar,drums,bass,violin,and piano so obviously he's musically gifted. He is not remotely as skilled as Yui, or any of the characters from the show. Perfect pitch doesn't justify Yui's abilities, it isn't a magical tool that somehow makes music easy. Anyone who plays music seriously will develop relative pitch to the point where perfect pitch doesn't matter (you just need to hear one correct note) All I'm saying is, the show would've made a lot more sense if Yui just played power chords and easy little riffs. The "hard" riffs aren't even noticable unless you listen carefully, so really the only people who are going to realize how hard the songs are, are the people who actually play the instruments. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On June 09 2009 19:25 Wangsta wrote: I realize it's not supposed to be 100% accurate, but the show doesn't make that attitude very obvious. If anything, it seems that they trying to make the music believable with all the practice scenes and drama regarding performances. On a side note, My roommate has perfect pitch and has been heavily into music since he was like 3. He plays guitar,drums,bass,violin,and piano so obviously he's musically gifted. He is not remotely as skilled as Yui, or any of the characters from the show. Perfect pitch doesn't justify Yui's abilities, it isn't a magical tool that somehow makes music easy. Anyone who plays music seriously will develop relative pitch to the point where perfect pitch doesn't matter (you just need to hear one correct note) All I'm saying is, the show would've made a lot more sense if Yui just played power chords and easy little riffs. The "hard" riffs aren't even noticable unless you listen carefully, so really the only people who are going to realize how hard the songs are, are the people who actually play the instruments. Well, it is a 4koma in origin, what are you going to put in between? There are only so many little things they put in for you to laugh, they invented the whole Christmas episode really, you can only do so much unrelated things before focusing on the theme, which is music. I personally don't find it to be an attempt for realism, considering the general flow of every episode up to this point. Note that after perfect pitch I also had a line about replicating melodies that easily, the former just stuck out in my mind more. I mean, I have a good enough relative pitch myself, but every often it is just like "Ahh it'd be nice if I had perfect pitch~" kind of stuff, heh. About the last part, well, songs are songs, it pisses me off a bit to hear piano in Nodame Cantabile even with the character settings of them being music majors, but complaining about that is just a bit over the top, don't you think? | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On June 09 2009 18:56 Wangsta wrote: Just wanted to throw out a random rant about K-On! It really pisses me off how Yui is able to play something like this: (see from 0:55 - 1:10) Everyone always says K-On! is inspiring them to play guitar/drums/etc., but IMO it's pretty discouraging to see a mildly retarded highschool freshman girl play incredible, difficult guitar riffs with little to no effort. after only 1 year of playing. with no musical background. oh yeah, and she sings at the same time Honestly, the "practice" scenes are almost insulting, compared to what is actually required to get that good at guitar. for the sake of not sounding too elitist (I know I already am, a little), I won't go into detail though... On brighter note, a guy on youtube requested an easy chord tutorial for playing fuwa fuwa time. so I went ahead and made one since the song is still stuck in my head anyway below is my shameless plug, + Show Spoiler + It's an anime...I don't like it either, but it's better to ignore it and brush it off as being a TV series that has no desire to be realistic than to be elitist about it. Beyond that, if you're discouraged by a fictitious (both in origin and in character) anime girl who can play guitar better than you can in under a year, then I think you have other issues to worry about. (: | ||
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Wangsta
United States776 Posts
On June 09 2009 19:34 Ecael wrote: Well, it is a 4koma in origin, what are you going to put in between? There are only so many little things they put in for you to laugh, they invented the whole Christmas episode really, you can only do so much unrelated things before focusing on the theme, which is music. I personally don't find it to be an attempt for realism, considering the general flow of every episode up to this point. Note that after perfect pitch I also had a line about replicating melodies that easily, the former just stuck out in my mind more. I mean, I have a good enough relative pitch myself, but every often it is just like "Ahh it'd be nice if I had perfect pitch~" kind of stuff, heh. About the last part, well, songs are songs, it pisses me off a bit to hear piano in Nodame Cantabile even with the character settings of them being music majors, but complaining about that is just a bit over the top, don't you think? I don't care about them attempting realism. It's more like they are going out of their way to make things unrealistic. Listen to "My Love Is A Stapler," in my opinion, that's what their music SHOULD sound like. That song sounds perfectly fine and it is also 100% believable since there are no stupidly difficult parts. Compare that song to the one I posted in my first post about this topic.. there is huge and ridiculous difference that was completely unnecessary. This is a music show, so obviously they will attract people who play music. Why would would they go out of their way to completely negate 90% of the drama in the show? Honestly I can't take sawa sensei seriously at all. Apparently Yui is 10x more skilled that her and azusa, because some of her songs are MUCH more difficult that the "shredding" that sawa did during her flashback in ep5, or the "amazing demo" that azusa did in ep9 I have to disagree with the perfect pitch thing too. Relative pitch is much more important for replicating music. Honestly, if you are trying to replicate music on the spot, perfect pitch is a handicap. I know a lot of music majors at my school who have perfect pitch, and they literally had to go through training to learn how to IGNORE their perfect pitch and use relative pitch instead, since it is often more practical for real performances. | ||
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Wangsta
United States776 Posts
On June 09 2009 19:39 PH wrote: It's an anime...I don't like it either, but it's better to ignore it and brush it off as being a TV series that has no desire to be realistic than to be elitist about it. Beyond that, if you're discouraged by a fictitious (both in origin and in character) anime girl who can play guitar better than you can in under a year, then I think you have other issues to worry about. (: I don't care about someone being better than me (I know plenty of people who are way more talented than I am). The whole issue is that it detracts from the show, since so much of the drama is based on musical ability (sawa/azusa and yui) They made a music themed show, so obviously they will attract viewers who play instruments. I just think it was a poor decision to make some of the songs as ridiculously difficult as they are. It's like if you are playing the starcraft2 campaign, and some hero makes a dramatic speech about how hard the battle will be, but then his unit has 9999 hp and does 9999 damage. Yes, we can just ignore it, but it also takes away from the entertainment | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On June 09 2009 19:52 Wangsta wrote: I don't care about them attempting realism. It's more like they are going out of their way to make things unrealistic. Listen to "My Love Is A Stapler," in my opinion, that's what their music SHOULD sound like. That song sounds perfectly fine and it is also 100% believable since there are no stupidly difficult parts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgb-hZkLlVQ Compare that song to the one I posted in my first post about this topic.. there is huge and ridiculous difference that was completely unnecessary. This is a music show, so obviously they will attract people who play music. Why would would they go out of their way to completely negate 90% of the drama in the show? Honestly I can't take sawa sensei seriously at all. Apparently Yui is 10x more skilled that her and azusa, because some of her songs are MUCH more difficult that the "shredding" that sawa did during her flashback in ep5, or the "amazing demo" that azusa did in ep9 I have to disagree with the perfect pitch thing too. Relative pitch is much more important for replicating music. Honestly, if you are trying to replicate music on the spot, perfect pitch is a handicap. I know a lot of music majors at my school who have perfect pitch, and they literally had to go through training to learn how to IGNORE their perfect pitch and use relative pitch instead, since it is often more practical for real performances. Perhaps I can't express my point clearly, but I am not saying that perfect pitch is helpful for replicating music. Those two were separate elements when I brought them up. I'd simply like to have perfect pitch, not quite expressing the idea that perfect pitch is more helpful. Either way there would be rigorous training involved. This doesn't attract people who play music more than it does attract the people who'd watch it for moe factors, imo. Music is a theme, but moe is everywhere, so is comedy. I strongly doubt that Kyoto Animation considered the topic as deeply as that, because far as I can see, no one is going on about the rigors behind music. There is too much comedic elements for that to be more than a theme that the show loosely revolves around. The selling point is something else completely. If this was Beck, then you might have a point, but this is a comedy. On the matter of character setting, in fact, it makes more sense for Yui to randomly play better than Azusa at times, because that's how she is. She will randomly excel at one thing for a short period of time, then switch to another, and another, you see it when she aced the math retest but randomly just avoids failing another time. Like Azusa said, you don't know whether to be impressed with her or not. What else do you want from them? I don't care about someone being better than me (I know plenty of people who are way more talented than I am). The whole issue is that it detracts from the show, since so much of the drama is based on musical ability (sawa/azusa and yui) There is no drama, certainly not of a real kind, this isn't meant to be serious, this is a comedy. They made a music themed show, so obviously they will attract viewers who play instruments. I just think it was a poor decision to make some of the songs as ridiculously difficult as they are. I can take a standup comedy that revolves around dirty humor and complain about how it isn't more elegant, but that's not the point that is being driven by the performer. If fact, if I wanted something more elegant, I should be watching another show. Your expectations are in the wrong directions. You can try just reading the manga to get the flow of the original work, because that's what the animation studio is trying to be loyal to. It isn't what you are getting at. It's like if you are playing the starcraft2 campaign, and some hero makes a dramatic speech about how hard the battle will be, but then his unit has 9999 hp and does 9999 damage. Yes, we can just ignore it, but it also takes away from the entertainment The parallel would be accurate if we are actually getting a dramatic speech, in k-on's case, we are getting more like a drunk general joking to his senior officers about the hardships they'll be facing on a plush job meant to reward them with plunders. | ||
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Wangsta
United States776 Posts
I can see your point, obviously this isn't a serious show, but I'm saying that in order for there to be ANY plot whatsoever there has to be at least some sliver of conflict. If the show were about 4 professional musicians getting together and playing music, it just wouldn't be the same would it? Really, the show would lose nothing by taking out two or three ~10 second licks/solos from cagayake girls and fuwa fuwa time. In exchange, there wouldn't be guitar players out there saying "wait, wtf just happened" after watching the performances | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On June 09 2009 20:16 Wangsta wrote: Okay, let me rephrase and say "conflict" instead of drama. I can see your point, obviously this isn't a serious show, but I'm saying that in order for there to be ANY plot whatsoever there has to be at least some sliver of conflict. If the show were about 4 professional musicians getting together and playing music, it just wouldn't be the same would it? Really, the show would lose nothing by taking out two or three ~10 second licks/solos from cagayake girls and fuwa fuwa time. In exchange, there wouldn't be guitar players out there saying "wait, wtf just happened" after watching the performances There isn't plot though, we can't seriously be suggesting that there is plot with Lucky Star and this. :p And well, like I said earlier, I cringed quite often watching Nodame. Sometimes you just have to settle for the random wtf, good thing anime adds a layer of disbelief? | ||
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konadora
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On June 09 2009 19:17 aers wrote: Don't bother with StrikerS. Sub-wise for Saki, Crunchyroll is subbing it so all the subs you find are going to be rips from there. Underwater-Mahjong's are probably the best, as Daiz has some people who play mahjong help correct the errors CR makes in terminology. But really, they'll all be fine. ps: Watch TTGL now! Its half the reason I got involved with the fansubbing community! I enjoyed the first two season, Nanoha and Nanoha A's, so I'm definitely finishing off StrikerS no matter what. And there's Subaru too :3 Btw if you want to watch FMA episode 9... http://www.livestream.com/konadora | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On June 09 2009 19:56 Wangsta wrote: I don't care about someone being better than me (I know plenty of people who are way more talented than I am). The whole issue is that it detracts from the show, since so much of the drama is based on musical ability (sawa/azusa and yui) They made a music themed show, so obviously they will attract viewers who play instruments. I just think it was a poor decision to make some of the songs as ridiculously difficult as they are. It's like if you are playing the starcraft2 campaign, and some hero makes a dramatic speech about how hard the battle will be, but then his unit has 9999 hp and does 9999 damage. Yes, we can just ignore it, but it also takes away from the entertainment I understand where you're coming from...but still. I've had some musical training as well (though I haven't kept up with it for years), and come from a family that's had people in Juilliard and Peabody. My family is a very musical family, so to speak, and as a result, I grew up with it constantly around (though almost exclusively classical). While I don't really play any instruments (just very, very mediocre piano), I think you HAVE to be elitist about music in order for that to distract you that much (yes, I disagree with your SC2 analogy). My cousin is one of your stereotypical Asian teenage classical violinists. She competes (and has placed several times as well in state and national competitions), practices for hours a day, and can't stand people who only think they understand classical music...but still enjoys K-On! with me every week. I don't have as intimate an understanding of guitar as you do (seeing as how I don't play it), I have many friends who do, a couple of which who watch anime as well. One in particular is a classical and jazz guitar double major at a university. He seems to be able to get over K-On!'s lack of realism and still enjoy the show. I don't get why you can't. EDIT Just to be clear...I am like one of the relative musical bad eggs of the family. I unfortunately never took music itself all that seriously until after I'd stopped playing piano. I take it more seriously now, but from a listener's perspective, not a musician's. EDIT2 I only just now took a look at that video you posted of the guy playing "Fuwa Fuwa Time" or whatever the fuck the song's name is...and while I still don't think it should considerably detract from your enjoyment of the show as an anime... I can see a lot more clearly where you're coming from. I never really paid attention to the song (I think it sounds like a bunch of sugary and candied shit), but damn, you're right...that is not really...easy guitaring. In any case, I was taken aback by that, but my point still stands. That's real music written by real musicians for a fictional anime series. The songs fit the mood of the show, and really, you should leave it at that. I could bitch endlessly about shortcomings of recordings from Nodame Cantabile and even Beck's inability to present a "bad" band performance (not to mention the MC's shitty singing)...but I got over it and enjoyed both shows immensely. | ||
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
You don't like K-ON, and are good at music, then it does bother you more because that's one more criticism you can level at it. | ||
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konadora
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
Don't bother with StrikerS. truthKonadora, what are you planning to watch? | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
My list, highest priority to lowest priority (not including this season's shows): Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS Bamboo Blade Kurogane no Linebarrels The Daughter of Twenty Faces Elfen Lied TTGL Yozakura Quartet Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu Kemono no Souja Erin Sore wo Kakeru Shoujo Akikan Tetsuwan Birdy the Mighty Kurozuka Casshern Sins . . . and many more. | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1756 Posts
On June 10 2009 00:09 konadora wrote: Hang on, gotta dig through my hard disk lol My list, highest priority to lowest priority (not including this season's shows): Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS Bamboo Blade Kurogane no Linebarrels The Daughter of Twenty Faces Elfen Lied TTGL Yozakura Quartet Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu Kemono no Souja Erin Sore wo Kakeru Shoujo Akikan Tetsuwan Birdy the Mighty Kurozuka Casshern Sins . . . and many more. <3 elfen lied haven't even heard of the rest -_- do you recommend? | ||
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