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If you come in here looking for "anime recommendations" then please refer to this chart before posting: Anime Recommendations (as of may 2014). We also have an IRC channel called #tladt where we all hang out. The channel is on Rizon, not QuakeNet! Feel free to check it out. TLADT discord is Discord.gg

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niuxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Bangladesh2 Posts
July 07 2010 03:31 GMT
#7041
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
July 07 2010 04:08 GMT
#7042
On July 06 2010 21:46 Lucumo wrote:
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On July 06 2010 12:07 PH wrote:
This taken directly off of dictionary.com, and is probably the meaning of the word "quality" that most utilize in this context and any context related:

"character with respect to fineness, or grade of excellence"

The quality of an anime, manga, comic book, graphic novel, book, movie, TV show, youtube video or whatever else you want is all the same no matter where you go. It refers to the show's overall production and execution. When a film is well made, you say it is of greater quality than if it were poorly made. That is quality.

You're just looking at a characteristic of the show that you liked from it, which you call "mature", which I also think is inaccurate. I think considering it "realistic" is even more off the mark. What is realistic about Code Geass of all shows? Like...really? There's more realism in some Gundam series. I can also pull pretty hard scifi series like Planetes and GitS. I can go on, but I'll stop there.

You just said it yourself..."that most utilize". That means that it's not universal. Also, your definition is not really useful. As I already said, it's meaningless in regard to non-physical things. You can interpret "a grade of excellence in different ways". In my opinion, this applies better: "The most progressive view of quality is that it is defined entirely by the customer or end user and is based upon that person's evaluation of his or her entire customer experience."

I never disagreed with that, but I said that "quality" is different for us. A computer game is good example: Some people say: "Wow, this game has really good graphics, it's a sign of quality". Others say: "Graphics? I don't care, it doesn't matter at all. It's all about the story and the gameplay".

Why is it not realistic how the characters act? I mean, look at a shounen anime. The main character says: "I'm going to save you all, I'm won't let "good" characters die, I will defeat the "evil". Is that realistic? No, definitely not. Fate/stay night is a pretty good example. Shirou says: "I will save everyone, even the "bad" people. I know it's just an ideal, but I don't care". In contrast to this, the shounen character really believe that way, while Shirou knows it better. It's more realistic. You have to be like 6 years old to think like a shounen character and I don't think they are like that. In that regard, Code Geass was like Fate/stay night. They think so for a reason, they act like this for a reason. Honestly, Lelouch's actions are understandable, aren't they? It fits and that makes them realistic, in my opinion. Also, it doesn't matter with genre it is since the environment, or whatever is in this world, has no impact on it.

"That most utilize" is good enough in this situation. That argument you're presenting is horribly fragile and really has no weight here. I don't accept your definition because it has no relation to the word "quality" as it's used anywhere that I know of. Seeing as how there are a number of other options available to you in communicating your point, there's no reason to ascribe a new meaning to a word because, so it seems, you feel like it.

Graphics in a game are a sign of quality. A customer's personal evaluation of their experience with a company or store is a sign of that business's quality in their customer service. Story and gameplay in a game is a sign of quality. The fact that an anime is "mature" by your oddball definition of "mature" does not make it quality. It makes that anime "mature" by your oddball definition. The anime may be more endearing to you, but you're talking about apples and oranges here. There has to be some kind of less subjective marker or par by which to examine something. It just doesn't work, as a native speaker of the English language.

And as for your train wreck of a third paragraph, you seem to like it when traditional morality is called into question, and characters are forced to make more difficult choices than "good = good/bad = bad" or something like that. That's fine, but that's hardly a sign of "realism"...at least now how I understand it, and how I imagine most others understand it.

Too much disbelief has to be suspended to consider such anime as realistic period. Robots that roll around on rollerblades and a main character with a magic eye that mind controls people? Sure, it's interesting seeing the characters react to these ridiculously outlandish circumstances and situations, but why does that a character has to make a decision make the show realistic? That's a pretty shoddy standard in my opinion...
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Tenryu
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States565 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 04:42:07
July 07 2010 04:40 GMT
#7043

http://myanimelist.net/profile/Understar
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
July 07 2010 04:44 GMT
#7044
Well PH, I think we discussed this before, but a grey-scale is indeed more realistic than black and white.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
July 07 2010 05:04 GMT
#7045
the hell is the argument here? fictional worlds aren't realistic? kiddy action shows have shallow characters?

the past few pages have confused me 0_o
Tenryu
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States565 Posts
July 07 2010 05:19 GMT
#7046
I didnt even read the last few pages because each post was like 1000 words long.
http://myanimelist.net/profile/Understar
SwEEt[TearS]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1575 Posts
July 07 2010 05:23 GMT
#7047
shit just got real son
that new K-On song is hardcore
#1 arb fan -- Raelcun is Nuclear backwards. Rekrul is Lurker backwards. Grobyc is Cyborg backwards. Eniram is Marine backwards.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 07:05:27
July 07 2010 06:58 GMT
#7048
k-on looks completely wrong in hardcore

though the song is a step up
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
July 07 2010 07:47 GMT
#7049
The new K-ON OP is pretty awesome. Not so awesome is the fact that Coalguys' release is delayed because nobody got the raw for him. D:

So I finished Eureka 7. What the heck happened at the end there? I'm so confused.
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So the only two characters of note other than the bad guy who get killed were the two who weren't complete jackasses the entire time (Well, I guess Axel was okay too)? Screw you, Bones.
I was previously warned that Renton would be annoying the entire series. However, nobody told me that the kids were even more annoying than he was. I wish Eureka had never saved them. They just don't shut up at all.

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Care Bear Stare? -_-

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So the Nirvash can talk now? I wish they'd explain some of this stuff.

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What was the point of revealing this? So that we can say "oh my god he was there the whole time"?

Fuuuuuck. And things were going so well around episode 40
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bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
July 07 2010 07:55 GMT
#7050
On July 07 2010 16:47 Spazer wrote:
The new K-ON OP is pretty awesome. Not so awesome is the fact that Coalguys' release is delayed because nobody got the raw for him. D:

So I finished Eureka 7. What the heck happened at the end there? I'm so confused.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
So the only two characters of note other than the bad guy who get killed were the two who weren't complete jackasses the entire time (Well, I guess Axel was okay too)? Screw you, Bones.
I was previously warned that Renton would be annoying the entire series. However, nobody told me that the kids were even more annoying than he was. I wish Eureka had never saved them. They just don't shut up at all.

[image loading]
Care Bear Stare? -_-

[image loading]
So the Nirvash can talk now? I wish they'd explain some of this stuff.

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What was the point of revealing this? So that we can say "oh my god he was there the whole time"?

Fuuuuuck. And things were going so well around episode 40


Ooooh yeah. The kids =).

To be fair, BONES is ridiculously bad at tying everything up in the end, cause they always want to make everything an existentialist debate of some sort. Brotherhood worked out because the source material was on the same wavelength as them.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 07 2010 09:34 GMT
#7051
Just read YuuDenYuu vol 1 (took an hour)... Kinda see why it got subpar reviews >_>; How goes you, Ecael?
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 07 2010 12:17 GMT
#7052
Amazon's got clearance going out on anime titles on blu-ray...nice deals no doubt.
Get it by your hands...
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
July 07 2010 13:54 GMT
#7053
On July 07 2010 18:34 Southlight wrote:
Just read YuuDenYuu vol 1 (took an hour)... Kinda see why it got subpar reviews >_>; How goes you, Ecael?

Was busy all yesterday, hope to be able to find some time today to read it.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 07 2010 15:50 GMT
#7054
On July 07 2010 22:54 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2010 18:34 Southlight wrote:
Just read YuuDenYuu vol 1 (took an hour)... Kinda see why it got subpar reviews >_>; How goes you, Ecael?

Was busy all yesterday, hope to be able to find some time today to read it.


Finished vol 2... don't know if I can continue >_>

Honestly, I think the anime will do a better job storyboarding and fleshing out these characters, but the novels are just so bad _-_
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
July 07 2010 16:00 GMT
#7055
I think I have a better tolerance for early crap than you do, let's see how well I survive the first couple of vols.

When I get a chance to actually read anyway.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
July 07 2010 16:49 GMT
#7056
I don't know if it's "early crap" so much as the characters are contrived and it's way too light-hearted for something that attempts to tackle such heavier themes. It's just bad writing and bad characterization, I really don't know how else to put it.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Oddysay
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada597 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 19:41:26
July 07 2010 18:59 GMT
#7057
first the bad one :

romance of the 3 kingdom = worst used anime crap ever , more used that a 50 year old whore.
Shukufuku no Campanella = this look like for girl , seriously that just bad .
Amagami SS = usual harem crap love story , from a dating game ? lol
Seitokai Yakuindomo = they try to be funny but they are not , just bad
Mitsudomoe = loli crap , that moe too , omg , kidgarden moe , that real ?
Ookami-san = main character piss me off more that any other show omg , emo geek


but got some good anime :
black lagoon roberta : amazing anime , pretty good animation = just rock !
Occult Academy : look ok , can be good
Highschool of the Dead : realy good ! must watch
Densetsu no Yusha no Densetsu ( legend galatic ) = look good too
Nurarihyon no Mago = remind me of inu yasha so that pretty nice

here my anime list if you like the same kind of anime :

http://myanimelist.net/animelist/hellsing77

edited , look like they are more that 3 good show ! kinda happy
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
July 07 2010 19:24 GMT
#7058
I don't see how you can praise High School of the Dead and dismiss the other shows

based on that first episode it's just an excuse for fan service
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Oddysay
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada597 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-07 19:45:39
July 07 2010 19:42 GMT
#7059
well the show got not over used story about zombie , action + gore and fan service , im in book that pretty good and the animation also realy not bad .

im also waiting with high hope for Shiki btw

Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
July 07 2010 20:26 GMT
#7060
On July 08 2010 04:24 FragKrag wrote:
I don't see how you can praise High School of the Dead and dismiss the other shows

based on that first episode it's just an excuse for fan service

From what I saw from the first episode, it was an excuse for fanservice, and Zombie violence. I thought it was great, and am looking forward to more.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
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