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On July 06 2010 14:30 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 13:58 bearbuddy wrote:On July 06 2010 13:49 Ecael wrote:On July 06 2010 13:25 bearbuddy wrote:On July 06 2010 13:17 Ecael wrote:On July 06 2010 13:10 bearbuddy wrote:On July 06 2010 13:05 Ecael wrote:On July 06 2010 12:57 bearbuddy wrote:On July 06 2010 11:56 Ecael wrote:
Mago got a bunch of things changed, they look really determined to fit it into 26ep. Well, Mago did start out pretty slow. Besides, it's all perfectly justified to rush through the portions where Kanna was relevant, even more so that Hirano Aya is voicing her. > : ) I was surprised to see so much Gyuki this early, though. I suppose they had to set the tone right from the start. Yuki onna has nothing on Kana-chan, only Yura can compete  And yeah, they just want to rush past the stupid stuff and get us right to Hagoromo Kitsune, perfectly fine with that. Unlike last time *cough*Cielisthebest*cough*, I actually have numbers to back me up on this. So ha! The latest chapters are also rocking with me on the same ship. Unfortunately, though we need to keep in mind that same poll also had Youhime and Gramps at insanely high levels because they just had an arc involving the two. I am sure if another poll is conducted now Yura would easily be more popular than Yuki onna. I am just waiting for Kana to become relevant again, much like how I insist Cleo will have a function in Break Blade. Unless the translation has been falling behind the actual thing, it has been all Yuki Onna recently. I really don't think Kana is gonna get relevant again, since we've pretty much left the normal human world and entered into youkai battles. As far as I know, not that behind, and it isn't like Yuki Onna is doing anything as Rikuo is the one doing all the work. Well, guess I just find it odd that we had a lot of things involving Kana and Rikuo in night form, feels like the mangaka will try to use her yet. Also watching densetsu no yuusha no densetsu, this is pretty amusing, I think I'll dig the books up to read. Yeah, but that Kana was doing all that when Mago's popularity was so terrible that WSJ might just drop it. Now that she's not doing anything, it shot up and got an adaptation before many of the other titles. Mago underwent an identity change and got more popular. Kana was a casualty of such change. While I can fathom that the author original intended Kana to be the love interest, I don't really think that's the case anymore.
Also watching densetsu no yuusha no densetsu, this is pretty amusing, I think I'll dig the books up to read.
I heard it's pretty darn long. good luck =) 11 vols and happily downloading, shouldn't take too long if I am not busy. I was looking at it from the other perspective, now that Mago has an interesting arc going, it has plenty of chances to use Kana. The only fortunate thing for me is that Yura is living up to the Keikain name 
I know I'm unfairly bagging on Kana, but it's just such a fun thing to do. She's the weakest female lead since Nagi, losing to like 4 other girls in the poll. I'm sure the female version of Awashima can beat her, too.
Regardless, I'm kinda liking the number of simulcasts this season. While they're not always fast or have the best translation, at least the anime studios are getting something out of the foreign audience.
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High School of the Dead is so baller, coolest thing ive seen in a while, zombies + echii, god yes. Japan just got cooler. new Black Lagoon OVA was pretty sick also, made me realise how much i actually liked the first 2 seasons... mmm what else O.o Ookami-san wasnt that good, kind of a meh story with a very unlikeable male character, the voice actors will prob keep me around, sounds like misaka and that other girl from railgun.
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Theoretically hero is longer than 11 because it has so many sequels >_>
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On July 06 2010 11:56 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 11:06 Lucumo wrote:On July 06 2010 10:51 Ecael wrote:A parody against something like moe eventually turns into moe itself, that the kind of thing the concept is. When has the whole thing of チャラ作り had a purpose? Both when I read it and when I watched it I just chuckled and moved right along. You give a nekomimi character her moments, after all, Hanekawa doesn't have many of that That's why they should use different kinds of characters. I don't think a grandpa with ears attached to his head and saying that would turn into it チャラ作り? I didn't watch the anime or read the manga of that thing. I don't even know where it's from That also would just be plain disgusting to watch, we do see things of that kind, but I think that's overdoing it. No reason alienating a major audience like that. That's just referring to the whole process of making a character, setting up their personalities and favorite lines and all. Mago got a bunch of things changed, they look really determined to fit it into 26ep.
Hm, you think so? At least, I would like it, so that's something.
Thanks, good to know what word applies to such characters. But then, isn't it the purpose to be/look cute(when it's a moe char)?
On July 06 2010 12:07 PH wrote:
This taken directly off of dictionary.com, and is probably the meaning of the word "quality" that most utilize in this context and any context related:
"character with respect to fineness, or grade of excellence"
The quality of an anime, manga, comic book, graphic novel, book, movie, TV show, youtube video or whatever else you want is all the same no matter where you go. It refers to the show's overall production and execution. When a film is well made, you say it is of greater quality than if it were poorly made. That is quality.
You're just looking at a characteristic of the show that you liked from it, which you call "mature", which I also think is inaccurate. I think considering it "realistic" is even more off the mark. What is realistic about Code Geass of all shows? Like...really? There's more realism in some Gundam series. I can also pull pretty hard scifi series like Planetes and GitS. I can go on, but I'll stop there.
You just said it yourself..."that most utilize". That means that it's not universal. Also, your definition is not really useful. As I already said, it's meaningless in regard to non-physical things. You can interpret "a grade of excellence in different ways". In my opinion, this applies better: "The most progressive view of quality is that it is defined entirely by the customer or end user and is based upon that person's evaluation of his or her entire customer experience."
I never disagreed with that, but I said that "quality" is different for us. A computer game is good example: Some people say: "Wow, this game has really good graphics, it's a sign of quality". Others say: "Graphics? I don't care, it doesn't matter at all. It's all about the story and the gameplay".
Why is it not realistic how the characters act? I mean, look at a shounen anime. The main character says: "I'm going to save you all, I'm won't let "good" characters die, I will defeat the "evil". Is that realistic? No, definitely not. Fate/stay night is a pretty good example. Shirou says: "I will save everyone, even the "bad" people. I know it's just an ideal, but I don't care". In contrast to this, the shounen character really believe that way, while Shirou knows it better. It's more realistic. You have to be like 6 years old to think like a shounen character and I don't think they are like that. In that regard, Code Geass was like Fate/stay night. They think so for a reason, they act like this for a reason. Honestly, Lelouch's actions are understandable, aren't they? It fits and that makes them realistic, in my opinion. Also, it doesn't matter with genre it is since the environment, or whatever is in this world, has no impact on it.
On July 06 2010 12:19 Judicator wrote:
Lucumo, basically it's like this, you really don't know what you like. You have an idea, but you can't absolutely say what it is. We realize that English isn't your strong point, but your reasoning exhibits just as much namely because you keep talking about ambiguity in the contested terms but never really convey your definition of the terms.
Like others have said, you like some specific presentation of a certain concept. Saying CG as realistic is a big stretch, saying it's mature is also a fair stretch, saying it's serious is probably more appropriate even though that's debatable as well. Personally I refer to CG as a trashy thriller, there really isn't anything deep but the plot develops well enough that you want to watch Lelouch to see how his plans turn out. (Think Crichton or Clancy in terms of books)
I wanted to push you on this point before, but I backed off since you had trouble with word contrived.
FMP-Sigma I am guessing has another 4 months left unless they jump straight into rescue after the next chapter.
I have strong concept of it, but you are right, it is definitely not fully penetrably(graspable?). So, what do you want me to define? I can't define what's mature/realistic or whatever you want to call it. That's why I said that it's more like a feeling(Tenryu said that and I supported it). The quality of an anime(for me) depends to a big part on this "feeling". So it should be understandable, that I can't name those things.
Hm, you surely could say that I like a specific presentation of a certain concept which is not specific. Yeah, this is a good statement, I hope you understand what I mean. Technically it's not limited to certain genres, but seinen anime/manga tend to follow that concept while shounen/moe/shoujo don't. Also, loli characters, big breasts and the likes have nothing to do with that concept. Those are a matter of personal preference and I simply don't like it. But these things always indicate something negative(overall) which wasn't the case in Code Geass.
Good thing you are so considerate. Anyway, we made a step forward, hooray.
/edit: Don't forget, that I always said "mature"(which became "my concept" as of now) and not mature. In regard to the latter, I would say:
Naruto < Full Metal Alchemist < Code Geass < Death Note < Texhnolyze
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On July 06 2010 18:23 Southlight wrote:
Theoretically hero is longer than 11 because it has so many sequels >_>
11 at a time ><
On July 06 2010 21:46 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 11:56 Ecael wrote:On July 06 2010 11:06 Lucumo wrote:On July 06 2010 10:51 Ecael wrote:A parody against something like moe eventually turns into moe itself, that the kind of thing the concept is. When has the whole thing of チャラ作り had a purpose? Both when I read it and when I watched it I just chuckled and moved right along. You give a nekomimi character her moments, after all, Hanekawa doesn't have many of that That's why they should use different kinds of characters. I don't think a grandpa with ears attached to his head and saying that would turn into it チャラ作り? I didn't watch the anime or read the manga of that thing. I don't even know where it's from That also would just be plain disgusting to watch, we do see things of that kind, but I think that's overdoing it. No reason alienating a major audience like that. That's just referring to the whole process of making a character, setting up their personalities and favorite lines and all. Mago got a bunch of things changed, they look really determined to fit it into 26ep. Hm, you think so? At least, I would like it, so that's something. Thanks, good to know what word applies to such characters. But then, isn't it the purpose to be/look cute(when it's a moe char)?
It isn't only applicable to moe characters, but to any kind of a character construction in general where you are trying to set up an identity for the character in some phrase or something. Moe just happens to be a pretty easy to relate to one for that.
And well, hang around pixiv for a while, I think you'll quickly change your mind. Tis kind of funny for some, others take the exaggeration to an extreme end.
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Hmm, as a related note to character construction, the Japanese language just (imo) has more variability and thus flexibility in fleshing out a character via the way they speak. That's why you randomly get stuff like "-desuno" or "-nya" or whatnot. There're dozens of ways of saying "hi," all of which clue people into the personality of the speaker (or the personally the speaker would like to project yay 猫かぶり). That's just how the language is.
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Nishio Ishin has a tendency to over-exaggerate this, mostly because he plays on common stereotypes so much. Check out Katanagatari, they're blatantly over the top, but that's just how he rolls.
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On July 06 2010 21:52 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 18:23 Southlight wrote:
Theoretically hero is longer than 11 because it has so many sequels >_> 11 at a time ><
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.
~33 volumes later
WHY DID I PICK THIS UP
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On July 06 2010 13:53 RedTaisha wrote:
Just saw first ep. of HS of the Dead, hory shet that was good but then again I'm a zombie nut and a big fan of Romero, remakes included. I especially dug the 28 Days Later-inspired music that came up late in the ep. I've got a lot of hope for this one, hopefully it won't let me down like Angel Beats did (though it was decent) =/.
Assuming the HOTD anime follows the manga, you shouldn't be disappointed. A basic spoiler free summary would basically be epic zombie fight scene followed by a small ecchi scene (although it's during the fight scene in some cases ). Repeat with the occasional conflict within the group and with some demonstration that people are stupid in crisis situations. So yeah, it's your basic zombie flick with a looooot more fanservice.
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I didn't like HOTD and will probably drop it after the next ep (I'm not really into zombie flicks and the girl was really annoying ), but I can see how some will love it.I will check Occult Academy later though, still have hopes for that one.
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On July 06 2010 21:52 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 18:23 Southlight wrote:
Theoretically hero is longer than 11 because it has so many sequels >_> 11 at a time >< Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 21:46 Lucumo wrote:On July 06 2010 11:56 Ecael wrote:On July 06 2010 11:06 Lucumo wrote:On July 06 2010 10:51 Ecael wrote:A parody against something like moe eventually turns into moe itself, that the kind of thing the concept is. When has the whole thing of チャラ作り had a purpose? Both when I read it and when I watched it I just chuckled and moved right along. You give a nekomimi character her moments, after all, Hanekawa doesn't have many of that That's why they should use different kinds of characters. I don't think a grandpa with ears attached to his head and saying that would turn into it チャラ作り? I didn't watch the anime or read the manga of that thing. I don't even know where it's from That also would just be plain disgusting to watch, we do see things of that kind, but I think that's overdoing it. No reason alienating a major audience like that. That's just referring to the whole process of making a character, setting up their personalities and favorite lines and all. Hm, you think so? At least, I would like it, so that's something. Thanks, good to know what word applies to such characters. But then, isn't it the purpose to be/look cute(when it's a moe char)? It isn't only applicable to moe characters, but to any kind of a character construction in general where you are trying to set up an identity for the character in some phrase or something. Moe just happens to be a pretty easy to relate to one for that. And well, hang around pixiv for a while, I think you'll quickly change your mind. Tis kind of funny for some, others take the exaggeration to an extreme end.
Does it apply to all characters? It doesn't sound like they are trying to set up an identity...more like they wan't to create a clicheish one(which has no real identity). Shounen heros are often really alike, same with moe characters. I said that earlier, but in anime without such things, don't the world and the story create the chars?
Nah, I don't really have the time to do that. Moreover, there are more important things than that, aren't there?
(The only pictures, regarding anime, I like, are wallpapers. Anything else(including scans) are of no concern to me.
On July 06 2010 21:59 Southlight wrote:
Hmm, as a related note to character construction, the Japanese language just (imo) has more variability and thus flexibility in fleshing out a character via the way they speak. That's why you randomly get stuff like "-desuno" or "-nya" or whatnot. There're dozens of ways of saying "hi," all of which clue people into the personality of the speaker (or the personally the speaker would like to project yay 猫かぶり). That's just how the language is.
Yes, I know that....but they don't say things like that in real life(-nya~/-ugyuu~). "-desuno" is fine, I don't mind that at all(and this is something I already heard irl, I think). Well, I don't understand Japanese, so most of the time, I would miss the things one doesn't recognize that easily. Shame on me
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On July 06 2010 21:59 Southlight wrote:Hmm, as a related note to character construction, the Japanese language just (imo) has more variability and thus flexibility in fleshing out a character via the way they speak. That's why you randomly get stuff like "-desuno" or "-nya" or whatnot. There're dozens of ways of saying "hi," all of which clue people into the personality of the speaker (or the personally the speaker would like to project yay 猫かぶり). That's just how the language is. Edit: Nishio Ishin has a tendency to over-exaggerate this, mostly because he plays on common stereotypes so much. Check out Katanagatari, they're blatantly over the top, but that's just how he rolls. Edit2: Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 21:52 Ecael wrote:On July 06 2010 18:23 Southlight wrote:
Theoretically hero is longer than 11 because it has so many sequels >_> 11 at a time >< Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. ~33 volumes later WHY DID I PICK THIS UP
I have to agree, we just don't see as many random patterns of speech in English. In Chinese there can be a fair bit of variations, but not as much as what I have seen in Japanese. I hope that nekokaburi wasn't meant to be a pun~
Katanagatari is super insane meta humor meeting parody lol, sooooo exaggerated.
33 vols? That sounds easier than the reading all of Nishio Ishin goal I had set for myself. Nevermind how I didn't accomplish that yet. Though I only found like 22 vols so far lol.
On July 06 2010 22:29 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 21:52 Ecael wrote:On July 06 2010 18:23 Southlight wrote:
Theoretically hero is longer than 11 because it has so many sequels >_> 11 at a time >< On July 06 2010 21:46 Lucumo wrote:On July 06 2010 11:56 Ecael wrote:On July 06 2010 11:06 Lucumo wrote:On July 06 2010 10:51 Ecael wrote:A parody against something like moe eventually turns into moe itself, that the kind of thing the concept is. When has the whole thing of チャラ作り had a purpose? Both when I read it and when I watched it I just chuckled and moved right along. You give a nekomimi character her moments, after all, Hanekawa doesn't have many of that That's why they should use different kinds of characters. I don't think a grandpa with ears attached to his head and saying that would turn into it チャラ作り? I didn't watch the anime or read the manga of that thing. I don't even know where it's from That also would just be plain disgusting to watch, we do see things of that kind, but I think that's overdoing it. No reason alienating a major audience like that. That's just referring to the whole process of making a character, setting up their personalities and favorite lines and all. Hm, you think so? At least, I would like it, so that's something. Thanks, good to know what word applies to such characters. But then, isn't it the purpose to be/look cute(when it's a moe char)? It isn't only applicable to moe characters, but to any kind of a character construction in general where you are trying to set up an identity for the character in some phrase or something. Moe just happens to be a pretty easy to relate to one for that. And well, hang around pixiv for a while, I think you'll quickly change your mind. Tis kind of funny for some, others take the exaggeration to an extreme end. Does it apply to all characters? It doesn't sound like they are trying to set up an identity...more like they wan't to create a clicheish one(which has no real identity). Shounen heros are often really alike, same with moe characters. I said that earlier, but in anime without such things, don't the world and the story create the chars? Nah, I don't really have the time to do that. Moreover, there are more important things than that, aren't there? (The only pictures, regarding anime, I like, are wallpapers. Anything else(including scans) are of no concern to me. Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 21:59 Southlight wrote:
Hmm, as a related note to character construction, the Japanese language just (imo) has more variability and thus flexibility in fleshing out a character via the way they speak. That's why you randomly get stuff like "-desuno" or "-nya" or whatnot. There're dozens of ways of saying "hi," all of which clue people into the personality of the speaker (or the personally the speaker would like to project yay 猫かぶり). That's just how the language is. Yes, I know that....but they don't say things like that in real life(-nya~/-ugyuu~). "-desuno" is fine, I don't mind that at all(and this is something I already heard irl, I think). Well, I don't understand Japanese, so most of the time, I would miss the things one doesn't recognize that easily. Shame on me
It does apply to all kinds of characters, hardboil isn't a character type that one would consider in the moe category at all, yet it is one that imo involved the most pretentious character making to get to. The world and the story do contribute a lot to the creation of a character, but oftentimes it is small things like this which makes a character stick to your head. Let's take a shounen hero in Naruto. You won't remember him for much, but a mention of dattebayo will remind you of him. It would be great if all characters are memorable because of the plot and values about them. However, it certainly doesn't hurt if small actions, cliche as they might be, are repeated and pounded into your head to associate the characters with them.
I like my pictures I guess~
I don't like that realism argument, actually. The language and culture has given you more possibilities on things to use, why not abuse it. Sure, people might not speak like that in real life, but when something still makes a decent amount of sense in fiction, we might as well as accept it. By your standards, much of the Western drama and musical would not be bearable because we simply don't speak that way anymore or never sang to reply to people in the first place. Language use is simply a medium, demanding realism in even the medium is just rather facetious.
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There's 伝説の勇者の伝説 (legend of the legendary hero), 大伝説の勇者の伝説 (the great legend of the legendary hero), and 真・伝説の勇者の伝説 (the true legend of the legendary hero), IIRC. Not sure how they're related to each other, though :p
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I think that means I have enough reading material for the next year or two~
Not that I don't already, mind
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殻の少女 yes yes? A must-read if you're into psychological horror and a rather unique experience. Probably one of the most controversial endings I've ever encountered in any language and in any form of storytelling medium.
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On July 06 2010 23:29 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 22:29 Lucumo wrote:On July 06 2010 21:52 Ecael wrote:On July 06 2010 18:23 Southlight wrote:
Theoretically hero is longer than 11 because it has so many sequels >_> 11 at a time >< On July 06 2010 21:46 Lucumo wrote:On July 06 2010 11:56 Ecael wrote:On July 06 2010 11:06 Lucumo wrote:On July 06 2010 10:51 Ecael wrote:A parody against something like moe eventually turns into moe itself, that the kind of thing the concept is. When has the whole thing of チャラ作り had a purpose? Both when I read it and when I watched it I just chuckled and moved right along. You give a nekomimi character her moments, after all, Hanekawa doesn't have many of that That's why they should use different kinds of characters. I don't think a grandpa with ears attached to his head and saying that would turn into it チャラ作り? I didn't watch the anime or read the manga of that thing. I don't even know where it's from That also would just be plain disgusting to watch, we do see things of that kind, but I think that's overdoing it. No reason alienating a major audience like that. That's just referring to the whole process of making a character, setting up their personalities and favorite lines and all. Hm, you think so? At least, I would like it, so that's something. Thanks, good to know what word applies to such characters. But then, isn't it the purpose to be/look cute(when it's a moe char)? It isn't only applicable to moe characters, but to any kind of a character construction in general where you are trying to set up an identity for the character in some phrase or something. Moe just happens to be a pretty easy to relate to one for that. And well, hang around pixiv for a while, I think you'll quickly change your mind. Tis kind of funny for some, others take the exaggeration to an extreme end. Does it apply to all characters? It doesn't sound like they are trying to set up an identity...more like they wan't to create a clicheish one(which has no real identity). Shounen heros are often really alike, same with moe characters. I said that earlier, but in anime without such things, don't the world and the story create the chars? Nah, I don't really have the time to do that. Moreover, there are more important things than that, aren't there? (The only pictures, regarding anime, I like, are wallpapers. Anything else(including scans) are of no concern to me. On July 06 2010 21:59 Southlight wrote:
Hmm, as a related note to character construction, the Japanese language just (imo) has more variability and thus flexibility in fleshing out a character via the way they speak. That's why you randomly get stuff like "-desuno" or "-nya" or whatnot. There're dozens of ways of saying "hi," all of which clue people into the personality of the speaker (or the personally the speaker would like to project yay 猫かぶり). That's just how the language is. Yes, I know that....but they don't say things like that in real life(-nya~/-ugyuu~). "-desuno" is fine, I don't mind that at all(and this is something I already heard irl, I think). Well, I don't understand Japanese, so most of the time, I would miss the things one doesn't recognize that easily. Shame on me It does apply to all kinds of characters, hardboil isn't a character type that one would consider in the moe category at all, yet it is one that imo involved the most pretentious character making to get to. The world and the story do contribute a lot to the creation of a character, but oftentimes it is small things like this which makes a character stick to your head. Let's take a shounen hero in Naruto. You won't remember him for much, but a mention of dattebayo will remind you of him. It would be great if all characters are memorable because of the plot and values about them. However, it certainly doesn't hurt if small actions, cliche as they might be, are repeated and pounded into your head to associate the characters with them. I like my pictures I guess~ I don't like that realism argument, actually. The language and culture has given you more possibilities on things to use, why not abuse it. Sure, people might not speak like that in real life, but when something still makes a decent amount of sense in fiction, we might as well as accept it. By your standards, much of the Western drama and musical would not be bearable because we simply don't speak that way anymore or never sang to reply to people in the first place. Language use is simply a medium, demanding realism in even the medium is just rather facetious.
And what about unique characters? You said: "That's just referring to the whole process of making a character, setting up their personalities and favorite lines and all." The last part really bothers me because this way it sounds like they are just making a cliché, the basis, the character type. But some creators refine that basis which doesn't seem to be in that process. Without that, they would be pretty shallow. And unique characters don't really have a basis. That's why I asked this in the first place. So it applies to unique characters and fully developed ones as well, not just simple character types?
But I really have the feeling, that's not always the case. Does the world and the story make Naruto say that? I doubt it. It just seems like an attempt to distinguish him from other main characters. Don't you think that you could easily take the Naruto characters and put them into the...Inuyasha anime(just an example). By the way, Naruto is one of the very few anime I actually watched in my native language(on TV) and he didn't say anything like "dattebayo" or "believe it". Hm, that doesn't apply to me since I remember shounen heros, even without words or phrases like this. And because of that, I put less weight on such things. But if they say it too often, it would definitely annoy me.
Can you really compare such things? I can accept musicals and operas as a kind of art, but "nya~" isn't art. You talk normal almost all the time and then you say "nya~". That feels wrong. In a musical, you sing all the time which makes it fine. A single word or a phrase is out of line, but when it's always that way, it's ok. Yes, it is a medium, but nevertheless it feels either wrong or right. Also, don't forget that "ugyuu~" doesn't have an actual meaning.
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The term unique is pretty loose, it's hard to find definitely unique characters from any series after you watched a good amount of anime.
There's nothing wrong with simple character types, simple doesn't mean one-dimensional or suggest a low quality. As for the Naruto/Inuyasha, you haven't watched either if you make that statement. Characters can serve the same role, but those roles aren't necessarily interchangeable after a certain point.
As for cliches, this is a very simple trap to fall into as cliches generally mean overdone, but it doesn't mean iteration N of the power-up hero can't be refined and well presented, aka of quality given the character type. Just using the power-up hero as an example, there are so many ways to approach this cliche character type; hero that wants to win but must train, hero that has this super inner power, hero that gets super power from external sources (other people or items), hero that has power but can't use it unless X happens, hero that has power but with negative effect. Stack on the fact that some characters share characteristics with others (both directly and indirectly) as well as you can mix and match in your approach of an apparent cliche character type, a simple overdone hero doesn't always seem so simple.
As for nya, I personally do not like the term either, but I can also understand there are moments in life where you just want to stick your tongue out and blow, nya is no different in this case.
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On July 06 2010 21:46 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2010 12:07 PH wrote:
This taken directly off of dictionary.com, and is probably the meaning of the word "quality" that most utilize in this context and any context related:
"character with respect to fineness, or grade of excellence"
The quality of an anime, manga, comic book, graphic novel, book, movie, TV show, youtube video or whatever else you want is all the same no matter where you go. It refers to the show's overall production and execution. When a film is well made, you say it is of greater quality than if it were poorly made. That is quality.
You're just looking at a characteristic of the show that you liked from it, which you call "mature", which I also think is inaccurate. I think considering it "realistic" is even more off the mark. What is realistic about Code Geass of all shows? Like...really? There's more realism in some Gundam series. I can also pull pretty hard scifi series like Planetes and GitS. I can go on, but I'll stop there. You just said it yourself..."that most utilize". That means that it's not universal. Also, your definition is not really useful. As I already said, it's meaningless in regard to non-physical things. You can interpret "a grade of excellence in different ways". In my opinion, this applies better: "The most progressive view of quality is that it is defined entirely by the customer or end user and is based upon that person's evaluation of his or her entire customer experience." I never disagreed with that, but I said that "quality" is different for us. A computer game is good example: Some people say: "Wow, this game has really good graphics, it's a sign of quality". Others say: "Graphics? I don't care, it doesn't matter at all. It's all about the story and the gameplay". Why is it not realistic how the characters act? I mean, look at a shounen anime. The main character says: "I'm going to save you all, I'm won't let "good" characters die, I will defeat the "evil". Is that realistic? No, definitely not. Fate/stay night is a pretty good example. Shirou says: "I will save everyone, even the "bad" people. I know it's just an ideal, but I don't care". In contrast to this, the shounen character really believe that way, while Shirou knows it better. It's more realistic. You have to be like 6 years old to think like a shounen character and I don't think they are like that. In that regard, Code Geass was like Fate/stay night. They think so for a reason, they act like this for a reason. Honestly, Lelouch's actions are understandable, aren't they? It fits and that makes them realistic, in my opinion. Also, it doesn't matter with genre it is since the environment, or whatever is in this world, has no impact on it.
I think you have Shirou's goals mixed up. He was just as naive as a shounen hero like Naruto. His only goal was to be a "hero who saved people, even if it costed him his life", and that was it. If he wanted to save bad people, there were plenty of villains in that series that he tried to kill. And I'm fairly certain most shounen heros who have naive beliefs in their respective shows know that they are being naive, but do so anyway. Sure, Shirou had his reasons for his beliefs. But on that same token, Shounen heroes have reasons for their beliefs as well.
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All characters have a basis, wtf? Otherwise why would the creator insert them? I remember Joss Wheadon (sp?) talking about how he found out with Angel vs Firefly that he needed a certain amount of characters to cover a whole range of personalities, etc.
With regards to those three you keep bringing up, when speaking to my friends in Japanese, I often go "ugu~" (moan/whine), "u~" (more of a crying moan/whine), and if we're in a particularly mellow mood sometimes we'll insert "nya~" just to sound a bit more cutesy and mellow out our tone. And, ofc, we insert "nya" just to make fun of something, like "nya~ntena" (original: nantena, or "or something.") The "ugu-" (of which I presume you refer to... Kanon? or something?) is really not that far out of normal Japanese sfx, that one character just went to the extremes with it, but it was a way to build clumsiness into her character (the whine/moan is more of a clumsy one, like urf I messed up). A more "common in real life" sort of whine/moan would probably be like "aa~" or just a big heavy SIGH. Considering that a groaning, pondering sound in Japanese is "u~n" (or u~mu) (an extension of n~~~~~~ I think) removing the ~n and turning it into u~ for a basic whine/groan shouldn't be surprising. Yay the basis of words and sounds. Of course, regular pondering is like "u~n" "u~mu" "fu~mu" etc. etc. so you get a lot of subtle differences in connotations/implications with regards to a person's state of mind.
Thus, of the three you keep bringing up, the only one you can actually have beef with is "nya," of which I can't really think of many examples where it's used. Blatant moe-cat characters aside, I've only seen it used by cat-mode Hanekawa in Bakemonogatari (the youtube video linked earlier) and when people are ribbing on each other or being super sarcastic. "Soudanya~" (a play on "soudana" or "you're right/that's right") can be a way of trying to invoke irritation from the listener, or it could be a means of expressing disinterest. Which is being used would of course rely on the tone of the speaker.
Another manner of speech that isn't normal, aside from Naruto's -dattebayo (which is a mouthful even in Japanese), that I can think of off the top of my head is Yuuki's "-daje" from Saki, a play on "-daze" which is a very, VERY masculine method of saying "-dane." Turning z into j makes it a cutesy way of speaking, which goes in form with her, um, loli-ness. In the same series there's Touka, who goes "-desuwa" (similar to the -desuno spam from Railgun), which is a very pompous way of speaking. The -desu ending as a whole reeks of high-class-ness, and depending on the context this, too, leads to a lot of characterization. Sui...seiseki? I think? From Rozen Maiden says -desu a lot, and it's obviously because she thinks very highly of herself. Meanwhile in Maria-sama ga Miteru almost everyone speaks using -desu because it's a mannered, polite way of speaking.
-Dattebayo, incidentally, because you questioned it, is actually a mashing of multiple sentence closers, which itself is pretty indicative of his very rustic personality and manner of speech. It's a compound, I believe of "-datteba" and "-dayo" but there's also intermediate compounds between those two like "-datteyo" etc. all of which are different meanings, so this "-dattebayo" is pretty unique. What can you derive from it? When I first saw it I thought he was a brat. Well, that's about right because that's what the author wanted people to feel, and that was very reflective of the character in question. "-datteba" is also a very pouty way of ending, although I can't think off the top of my head of how to explain why (maybe Ecael can pick this up), as it's like a "see, I told you." One of the pouts kids tend to do is "datteba~ datteba~" (because~ because~). Meanwhile "-yo" is like a bizarre attempt at sounding humbler, as "-yo" is usually reserved for females (and thus carries a very feminine connotation), and of course "-datteyo" is a milder, less bratty way of saying "-datteba" (same meaning). Of course, I don't know what the 100% meaning is of -yo because it's ambiguous (invented words in fictional writing tend to be this way) but you get the idea.
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By the way, Shirou's goal was simply to be a hero to everyone. He never specifically mentioned self-sacrifice, he just wanted to save everyone, despite the impossible and perhaps contradictory nature of such a wish. This is a very shounen goal. It just so happens that the story is far "deeper" than a typical shounen series, and thus instead of being a Shounen Jump-esque level-up more and more to achieve your goal! sort of story it becomes a relatively deeper psychological observation of one teen's dream and how he struggles with the dream versus reality.
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Densetsu no Yuusha no Densetsu seems really ridiculously fast paced. I feel like they Pretty funny so far. The subs by Guess that I linked to are okay, but not spectacular. They're good enough to get the point across, but the typesetting and timing seem pretty lazy. Any news on other subbing groups?
So I was skimming through FMP: Sigma today since I was bored, and you know what I realized? They skipped A Dancing Very Merry Christmas. I can't even fathom why they did that.
+ Show Spoiler +Maybe they didn't want to alienate all the Tessa fans.
On July 06 2010 21:46 Lucumo wrote:
Can you really compare such things? I can accept musicals and operas as a kind of art, but "nya~" isn't art. You talk normal almost all the time and then you say "nya~". That feels wrong. In a musical, you sing all the time which makes it fine. A single word or a phrase is out of line, but when it's always that way, it's ok. Yes, it is a medium, but nevertheless it feels either wrong or right. Also, don't forget that "ugyuu~" doesn't have an actual meaning.
If that's the case, then isn't it just the difference in cultures that you're having trouble dealing with? In western media, Canadians add "eh" to the end of their sentences. Characters add say umm and uh to make it seem like they're slow/stupid. Mobsters talk in a very distinctive manner. Nobody questions these things - they're just accepted. It's the same thing with anime. Obviously the Japanese don't consider the additions that hard to accept, because otherwise, nobody would watch the shows. And remember, they're the target audience, not the people of your country/culture.
Just consider all of these details to be verbal tics. Is it necessary? Not really, but a little more characterization never hurt a story.
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So, is Durarara!!! going to get another season? I read that the anime only covered 3 of the 7 novels. To anyone who read the novels, how accurate was the anime?
Also, I just learned that ep24 was the "last" episode, which is why I'm posting this. I forgot that I had already downloaded it, and just watched it now. :<
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On July 07 2010 01:45 Thesecretaznman wrote:
So, is Durarara!!! going to get another season? I read that the anime only covered 3 of the 7 novels. To anyone who read the novels, how accurate was the anime?
Also, I just learned that ep24 was the "last" episode, which is why I'm posting this. I forgot that I had already downloaded it, and just watched it now. :<
i sure hope so, i loved durarara and they left so many things unanswered. I feel it defiantly needs a second season.
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