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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
If Aokiji is part of the Blackbeard's crew now, it is because Aokiji is acting as a double agent, a spy, a saboteur. Pretty sure he even said that he left the Marines so he can do things he couldn't do before. For example working undercover in a pirate crew. Why that wouldn't be common knowledge is easy to explain. It's been at most 2 years. News in OP travel either by newspaper or mouth to mouth. Considering 99% of people travel by ship, and that rumors spread the exact same way as news, it would take pretty much forever for any news to become common knowledge in the entire world. On the other hand I don't think the World government would like it if the newspaper printed news of ex-admirals becoming pirates. Kuzan working with BB(to aquire information to use against BB or similar reason) is in my opinion plausible. | ||
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sc2holar
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17Sphynx17
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Wasn't one of the good things about One Piece is the ambiguity of where they stood? Because those are dependent on what your belief is? As Aokiji put it "The thing called "justice" changes its shape... Depending on where you stand" And if you really were to just go on that train of thought in terms of the purity of good and evil, then wouldn't Whitebeard actually fall into the evil category as he sacrificed a lot of his "Children" to try and save 1 person who actually disobeyed his order which led to his capture in the first place? I wouldn't call Blackbeard noble here, but it is simply a parallel of characters but changing a specific thing that they do that give them their unique trait. BB and Luffy seem to be both carefree and chase their dream, however, BB crosses a line that Luffy never does. But so far, BB has basically "killed" pirates which in the OP world view are inherently evil. So he has so far done good in the general sense, yet we who see it as readers of One Piece actually see him as evil as he is portrayed that way. OP exists on a grey zone as far I see it and not in black and white. The definition of black and white is Akainu who tries to cut a line to clearly delineate the two and he ends up even going against those in the grey zone, which is majority of the characters we know and love. My two cents. EDIT: Oh, I don't think Aokiji is part of the BB Crew, but if he was ever connected to the underworld, it would be as a double agent as far as I can imagine it for his character (Be it a revolutionary or simply a vigilante exacting his justice) | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
-Donquixote Doflamingo | ||
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goody153
44282 Posts
On February 10 2014 22:23 sc2holar wrote: "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!" -Donquixote Doflamingo Holy shit this is pretty good. This can even be used on my research paper in Philosophy. Gotta add this phrase. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On February 10 2014 23:04 goody153 wrote: Holy shit this is pretty good. This can even be used on my research paper in Philosophy. Gotta add this phrase. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche there you go  | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 10 2014 21:39 Faust852 wrote: I still think BB is evil as hell. He killed a wounded man to steal his power when the said man was fighting for his crew. BB came out of nowhere and it wasn't his battle, he was just opportunistic. Kuzan is a good person, why would he joins this bastard ? WB was dead either way, by the time he showed up WB had already told his crew to leave and left to hold the line | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8093 Posts
On February 10 2014 22:10 Mataza wrote: I'm a bit disappointed this hasn't been mentioned yet. If Aokiji is part of the Blackbeard's crew now, it is because Aokiji is acting as a double agent, a spy, a saboteur. Pretty sure he even said that he left the Marines so he can do things he couldn't do before. For example working undercover in a pirate crew. Why that wouldn't be common knowledge is easy to explain. It's been at most 2 years. News in OP travel either by newspaper or mouth to mouth. Considering 99% of people travel by ship, and that rumors spread the exact same way as news, it would take pretty much forever for any news to become common knowledge in the entire world. On the other hand I don't think the World government would like it if the newspaper printed news of ex-admirals becoming pirates. Kuzan working with BB(to aquire information to use against BB or similar reason) is in my opinion plausible. Have you seen how quickly news travels around via the newspapers? We get reaction shots from all over the world when big news is revealed | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On February 11 2014 01:06 Scaramanga wrote: Have you seen how quickly news travels around via the newspapers? We get reaction shots from all over the world when big news is revealed Not everything that goes on is revealed throught the newspaper. especially not to the reader. Was Kaidous army of smiles army of 500 smile users published in the newspaper? most likely not. What makes you think someone stalks and reports everything that goes on amongst the BB crew? the fact remains, they have a new commander, and we dont know for certain who it is. The "Newspaper argument" kinda defeats itself here. If everything that goes on in the OP world was revealed instantly to the readers and SHs throught the newspaper, we would already know the identity of the new BB commander aswell as the new shichibukai, wouldnt we? Also, by the same logic, the SHs should have identified Fujitora as an admiral when they first saw him in the gambling house, because all news travel faster than the speed of light in the world of OP, right? oh wait... it obviously doesnt. | ||
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shark.
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How many people are gonna know about a group of WANTED pirates who rule of a portion of an ocean. LOTS OF PEOPLE. Think about how quickly news spread about the straw hats whenever they did something. There have been shots of newspapers detailing everything about pirates, their crews, alliances, people related to them etc. Everyone knows about all the straw hats but wouldn't know the commanders of a Yonko? Ludicrous if you ask me. If the readers knows everything then its fucking poor story telling. There is an actual term(that i can't remember) that is used to describe when the characters know something the reader doesn't. It is 99% gaurented to happen all forms of entertainment. In Mangas, books, films etc it happens. | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On February 11 2014 01:35 shark. wrote: If the readers knows everything then its fucking poor story telling. There is an actual term(that i can't remember) that is used to describe when the characters know something the reader doesn't. It is 99% gaurented to happen all forms of entertainment. In Mangas, books, films etc it happens. The inverse would be an unreliable narrator, in any case. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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[]Phase[]
Belgium927 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On February 11 2014 05:08 []Phase[] wrote: Why did trevor have chains on his ankles by the way? Is that explained somewhere already? THere's a theory that Doffy's whole crew are former Marie Jois slaves and he freed & took them with him when he abandoned his nobel status and became a pirate. Still weird that he would still have those chains after all these years  | ||
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
On February 10 2014 20:30 sc2holar wrote: Its not nessecarily public knowledge The coliseum commentator knew about it. He should be as much of a nobody as you can get, basically. Hence, public knowledge. | ||
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Mensol
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On February 11 2014 06:30 gedatsu wrote: The coliseum commentator knew about it. He should be as much of a nobody as you can get, basically. Hence, public knowledge. A good commentator goes out of their way to ensure that they know a lot, so they can actually tell interesting stories relevant to the game. This is an esports forum you know? =P Unless you're one of those people that think commentators sit on their thumbs all day and just Neutral Chill their way through every cast. That said, yeah the commentator for the coliseum will be largely based on quite public knowledge. But he would be one that keeps quite up to date with news. He was able to detail the history of the majority of "famous names" even though a lot of those names were basically canon fodder. Jet and Abdul for example. Two pretty obvious nobodies. But yeah, as said he would get this all from fairly publicly available knowledge. He might get some stuff through talking to visiting pirates and what not, but the majority is probably newspapers and the like. | ||
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
That said, it seems that the "10 captains" are also quite common knowledge. I do not get the impression that he's dropping some huge knowledge bomb in that scene. It is not "did you know that BB is supported by 10 giant captains? It's true, and Burgess is one of them!" It is "Burgess! This man is part of the 10 giant captains of the BB fleet!!" And you know what? It makes no sense at all that the public knows there are 10 captains, but does not know who the 10th captain is. Especially if it's a big shot name like Aokiji. | ||
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Chro
United States240 Posts
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