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On February 09 2014 00:35 Mensol wrote:
Garp is weak, his emotions makes him weaker than he should be. He wasnt able to save Ace and got beaten up by Dadan.oh Luffy beat him too. I also agree that he was strongest marine in his prime.
I want to add that I really hate Garp. im glad he resign as a Marine because he dont deserve to wear "Justice" jackets. Ace was killed, Luffy was almost killed, and he just watched it. I dont how kind of justice is that. Being a hero of the Navy is more important than your family? nah Garp is a fucking failure.
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Aokiji was the strongest Admiral. He lost against Akainu just because Akainu's df was his anti.
so bias loool. R.e.l.a.t.i.v.i.s.m yeo.
so looking forward to seeing Sabo duel it out with Burgeessesdasdaskanksaksandsandklansdk
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On February 09 2014 14:54 Steins;Gate wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 00:35 Mensol wrote:
Garp is weak, his emotions makes him weaker than he should be. He wasnt able to save Ace and got beaten up by Dadan.oh Luffy beat him too. I also agree that he was strongest marine in his prime.
I want to add that I really hate Garp. im glad he resign as a Marine because he dont deserve to wear "Justice" jackets. Ace was killed, Luffy was almost killed, and he just watched it. I dont how kind of justice is that. Being a hero of the Navy is more important than your family? nah Garp is a fucking failure.
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Aokiji was the strongest Admiral. He lost against Akainu just because Akainu's df was his anti. so bias loool. R.e.l.a.t.i.v.i.s.m yeo. so looking forward to seeing Sabo duel it out with Burgeessesdasdaskanksaksandsandklansdk
yeah when will oda release the new chapter ? so hyped for sabo vs Buuuurrrgesss
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On February 09 2014 15:23 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 14:54 Steins;Gate wrote:On February 09 2014 00:35 Mensol wrote:
Garp is weak, his emotions makes him weaker than he should be. He wasnt able to save Ace and got beaten up by Dadan.oh Luffy beat him too. I also agree that he was strongest marine in his prime.
I want to add that I really hate Garp. im glad he resign as a Marine because he dont deserve to wear "Justice" jackets. Ace was killed, Luffy was almost killed, and he just watched it. I dont how kind of justice is that. Being a hero of the Navy is more important than your family? nah Garp is a fucking failure.
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Aokiji was the strongest Admiral. He lost against Akainu just because Akainu's df was his anti. so bias loool. R.e.l.a.t.i.v.i.s.m yeo. so looking forward to seeing Sabo duel it out with Burgeessesdasdaskanksaksandsandklansdk yeah when will oda release the new chapter ? so hyped for sabo vs Buuuurrrgesss
Break this week. Feels bad man
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On February 09 2014 15:24 GettingIt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 15:23 goody153 wrote:On February 09 2014 14:54 Steins;Gate wrote:On February 09 2014 00:35 Mensol wrote:
Garp is weak, his emotions makes him weaker than he should be. He wasnt able to save Ace and got beaten up by Dadan.oh Luffy beat him too. I also agree that he was strongest marine in his prime.
I want to add that I really hate Garp. im glad he resign as a Marine because he dont deserve to wear "Justice" jackets. Ace was killed, Luffy was almost killed, and he just watched it. I dont how kind of justice is that. Being a hero of the Navy is more important than your family? nah Garp is a fucking failure.
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Aokiji was the strongest Admiral. He lost against Akainu just because Akainu's df was his anti. so bias loool. R.e.l.a.t.i.v.i.s.m yeo. so looking forward to seeing Sabo duel it out with Burgeessesdasdaskanksaksandsandklansdk yeah when will oda release the new chapter ? so hyped for sabo vs Buuuurrrgesss Break this week. Feels bad man
well FML T_T
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On February 09 2014 14:54 Steins;Gate wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 00:35 Mensol wrote:
Garp is weak, his emotions makes him weaker than he should be. He wasnt able to save Ace and got beaten up by Dadan.oh Luffy beat him too. I also agree that he was strongest marine in his prime.
I want to add that I really hate Garp. im glad he resign as a Marine because he dont deserve to wear "Justice" jackets. Ace was killed, Luffy was almost killed, and he just watched it. I dont how kind of justice is that. Being a hero of the Navy is more important than your family? nah Garp is a fucking failure.
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Aokiji was the strongest Admiral. He lost against Akainu just because Akainu's df was his anti. so bias loool. R.e.l.a.t.i.v.i.s.m yeo. so looking forward to seeing Sabo duel it out with Burgeessesdasdaskanksaksandsandklansdk
Nooo! Don't bite!
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Oh, moving on the new tangent about Kuma.
His power is a "pushing" power right? But he can technically push anything (objects, pain etc) from A to B. There is no limit currently that we can see right? So he can repel almost any attack as long as he anticipates it?
And in his current state, there is no clear idea of what is left of him that is human right? But he has been officially lobotomized so he does not have any free will left to oppose the WG and Marines (unless there is a secret coding programmed by Vegapunk), right?
So his old fighting style would have changed right pre Marineford and post time skip?
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On February 09 2014 14:25 Sentenal wrote:
I still think Kuma is the strongest of the Shichibukai, or at least was when he had his own mind. Not sure about now. But back at Shabondy, he was practically on Kizaru's level, and I'm pretty sure than any admiral is stronger than any Shichibukai.
I would have loved to see him fight someone powerful. Too bad hes a mindless robot now =\
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On February 09 2014 16:23 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 14:25 Sentenal wrote:
I still think Kuma is the strongest of the Shichibukai, or at least was when he had his own mind. Not sure about now. But back at Shabondy, he was practically on Kizaru's level, and I'm pretty sure than any admiral is stronger than any Shichibukai. I would have loved to see him fight someone powerful. Too bad hes a mindless robot now =\
I have a feeling that his consciousness is still inside the robot body lying dormant and maybe just maybe he will be back when the Revolutionaries make their big move.
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On February 09 2014 18:15 GettingIt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2014 16:23 Slaughter wrote:On February 09 2014 14:25 Sentenal wrote:
I still think Kuma is the strongest of the Shichibukai, or at least was when he had his own mind. Not sure about now. But back at Shabondy, he was practically on Kizaru's level, and I'm pretty sure than any admiral is stronger than any Shichibukai. I would have loved to see him fight someone powerful. Too bad hes a mindless robot now =\ I have a feeling that his consciousness is still inside the robot body lying dormant and maybe just maybe he will be back when the Revolutionaries make their big move.
i feel the same.
at least i hope so, would be sad to see my 2 favorite characters, Kuma and Magellan, never appear again. both so powerful and underrated :/
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Turning Kuma into a mindless Pacifista was such a waste of potential indeed.
Magellan was really cool too (if you cut out the toilet humour part) but Ceasar Clowns poison gas logia fruit kinda made the poison paramecia look less interesting.
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On February 09 2014 23:11 sc2holar wrote:
Turning Kuma into a mindless Pacifista was such a waste of potential indeed.
Magellan was really cool too (if you cut out the toilet humour part) but Ceasar Clowns poison gas logia fruit kinda made the poison paramecia look less interesting.
his poison was super weak compared to Magellans though id say Magellan was actually stronger then Caeser Luffy took him out without breaking a sweat
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Luffy took out Ceasar easily because he already got his immunity against poison from magellan. Ceasar is a lazy idiot but his fruit is stronger than magellans hands down.
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Afaik Caesar has the gas fruit, not poison gas or something. I thought it meant he can control gases, so basically control air.
If CC wants to poison someone wouldn't he first need to make a strong poison gas and then use that gas?
Magellan has "pseudo-magic" poison on the other hand, created by his devil fruit. Taking down Magellan wasn't just a problem for Luffy, if I remember correctly Blackbeard and crew had problems getting past Magellan as well.
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Technically Ceasar's gas gas fruit is stronger in utility than what Ceasar showed, assuming applicable scientific knowledge and creativity. But it's just one of many cases of where the potential is much stronger than what the user has mustered. (In part Oda's fault, though justified in other cases, but you can't expect him to take every fruit to their logical extremes, that's a bit too much research added to his already full plate).
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I wish some of ceasars scientific modifications to his Gasu Gasu no Mi, could somehow be applied to smokers moku moku no mi aswell. It just looks so frickin weak and impotent compared to every other logia except maybe Caribous.
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Magellan is probably the strongest paramecia to date. He comes with all kinds of negative status ailments (reminds me of Marlboro from FF games), huge AoE, crazy attack range and ridiculous defense mechanism (well he comes with a permanent 'disability' of being constantly constipated as a balance rofl). That's also why Oda made him stay away from the surface i guess lol.
On February 10 2014 01:19 sc2holar wrote:
Luffy took out Ceasar easily because he already got his immunity against poison from magellan. Ceasar is a lazy idiot but his fruit is stronger than magellans hands down.
A lazy and weak scientist who was overpowered by anyone in the SH crew (this is so true lol) is hands down stronger than the strongest warden in the history of Impel Down? Caesar is a typical lucky DF user who doesn't learn or utilize the power of his fruit at an advanced level while whole BB crew nearly get owned down there by magellen.
While discussing a paramecia against a logia is kinda pointless unless Oda actually make that happens, there is still no way caeser is stronger than Magellan.
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On February 10 2014 01:19 sc2holar wrote:
Luffy took out Ceasar easily because he already got his immunity against poison from magellan. Ceasar is a lazy idiot but his fruit is stronger than magellans hands down.
that just shows how weak his poison is, even if he hadnt fought magellan he would ahve shrugged it off
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Magellan's diarrhea comes from him eating poison foods all the time rather than it being something innate about his fruit. His fruit allows him to eat poisons without dying, but his bowels still can't handle it well and he only eats poisoned because of his own personal quirk.
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On February 09 2014 10:52 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Why would it be unreasonable to believe ageing ib the opverse affects the character's strength by degradibg/dulling it? We already have examples shown.
Also, it might not be just about dealing x amount of damage. But actually about stamina as well. The more senior characters would seem to have difficulty fighting a drawn out battle as well as their 'sta' has degraded. Hence, they maybe able to deal same x amount of damage like before in their prime, but with a limit.
so again, below their 'prime' levels.
i am not arguing that the other characters are not strong. Just arguing the fact that they would be able to stand and win in a 1v1.
That is why kizaru looks to be the strongest in a 1v1 fight. His powers give him the speed (regardless of his age), concentrated damage potential to a fixed point in the body of his opponent plus he has admiral level haki.
He can also create a weapon if he neesa to (lightsaber) just for the hell of it.
He is the odd ball character that has never gotten serious, even in a crisis because i think he has always has a way out if he needs to (via lightspeed travel). We've never seen him serious, but the other admirals have been serious in battle already.
How about this, among the admiral marines, can we theorycraft a battle against any of the shibukai? Who would have trouble where at least?
Fujitora, aokiji, akainu and kizaru. Imagine a fight with a shibukai for now. 1v1.
Kuma have a chance against all of them but Aokiji. Ofc im talking about Kuma who had personality.
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