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if that were true, it means he can have unlimited fruit powers and he can just keep calling up different powers depend on the situation he's in. Just like Lucifer from hunter x hunter, Hopefully he can only use one at a time. I also remember somewhere one of the character mention blackbeard had been hunting devil fruit users in the new world for their fruit powers. I was initially thinking he's ganna let his crew mates use those fruits, but if this is right, blackbeard definitely wants the mera mera fruit for himself. Can you imagine what happens when he combines fire and darkness fruit? that's right Amaterasu without the sharingan
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I don't even know how this can still be an issue.
In some chapter, I clearly remember reading "One can only eat one fruit, exept for BB, who is different" [ofc I did not read it in english].
Maybe he hast 2 "souls" if you belive in this stuff (could also be 2 brains or a midget siamese twin)... Which would explain why Luffy and Zoro referded to him as "them".
edit: more than 2 could also be possible, but my midget theory would not be as legit...
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On February 07 2014 23:53 Saumure wrote:
I don't even know how this can still be an issue.
In some chapter, I clearly remember reading "One can only eat one fruit, exept for BB, who is different" [ofc I did not read it in english].
Maybe he hast 2 "souls" if you belive in this stuff (could also be 2 brains or a midget siamese twin)... Which would explain why Luffy and Zoro referded to him as "them".
I always thought when they said them, what they meant was blackbeard and his crewmates that they noticed nearby.
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On February 07 2014 23:57 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 23:53 Saumure wrote:
I don't even know how this can still be an issue.
In some chapter, I clearly remember reading "One can only eat one fruit, exept for BB, who is different" [ofc I did not read it in english].
Maybe he hast 2 "souls" if you belive in this stuff (could also be 2 brains or a midget siamese twin)... Which would explain why Luffy and Zoro referded to him as "them".
I always thought when they said them, what they meant was blackbeard and his crewmates that they noticed nearby.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2332-16/one-piece/chapter-225.html
this is the pagee I am talking about.
I agree you might think it is the companions because of what Nami said. The french thanslation is not the same. That's confusing ...
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On February 08 2014 00:04 Saumure wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 23:57 rei wrote:On February 07 2014 23:53 Saumure wrote:
I don't even know how this can still be an issue.
In some chapter, I clearly remember reading "One can only eat one fruit, exept for BB, who is different" [ofc I did not read it in english].
Maybe he hast 2 "souls" if you belive in this stuff (could also be 2 brains or a midget siamese twin)... Which would explain why Luffy and Zoro referded to him as "them".
I always thought when they said them, what they meant was blackbeard and his crewmates that they noticed nearby. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2332-16/one-piece/chapter-225.htmlthis is the pagee I am talking about. I agree you might think it is the companions because of what Nami said. The french thanslation is not the same. That's confusing ...
Maybe Oda meant it to mean both mates and the weird properties of his body. Authors like to do that sometimes..I forgot what the literary technique is called though.
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On February 08 2014 00:04 Saumure wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 23:57 rei wrote:On February 07 2014 23:53 Saumure wrote:
I don't even know how this can still be an issue.
In some chapter, I clearly remember reading "One can only eat one fruit, exept for BB, who is different" [ofc I did not read it in english].
Maybe he hast 2 "souls" if you belive in this stuff (could also be 2 brains or a midget siamese twin)... Which would explain why Luffy and Zoro referded to him as "them".
I always thought when they said them, what they meant was blackbeard and his crewmates that they noticed nearby. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2332-16/one-piece/chapter-225.htmlthis is the pagee I am talking about. I agree you might think it is the companions because of what Nami said. The french thanslation is not the same. That's confusing ...
Well, you could also interpret it like this : Luffy and Zoro know that this guy is not some random drunkard, but someone with power and probably captain or member of a crew. At that point in time, the readers did not know much about blackbeard.
So having Luffy and Zoro imply that 'this random guy they just met' is part of a crew, can function as a way of introducing a future important character. (like the cliche "this is not some ordinary guy" - when characters say this in manga, it means the guy is going to play an important role in the future)
So when they say "it's not he, it's they" they might have meant 'It's not only this guy that knows something about sky island, it's several powerful people that know about it' - basically telling them that sky island does indeed exist.
Might be a bit farfetch'ed, but so is assuming that Luffy and Zoro somehow know something about the special properties of BB's body (if it were true) at that point in time, by just talking to the guy. Knowing that he is powerful is one thing, but knowing that detailed stuff is another.
A variation on the theory that blackbeard's own devil fruit powers can store and release other devil fruit's powers :+ Show Spoiler +
Disclaimer : full of assumptions so all the foriks, reis and others out there : yeah I know, it probably doesn't hold up a 100%.
As for how blackbeard can extract power from a fruit : maybe he just needs the actual fruit stored in his darkness power, and doesn't actually need to consume it. A problem with this is how he got whitebeard's fruit however.
If we assume that when a person dies, the nearest ordinary fruit near him turns into a devil fruit, it would be weird that no one in the world had found this out yet. I mean if it was a fact that when a fruituser dies the nearest fruit turns into a devil fruit, it would definitely be known by pirates and marines alike. It would simply be too important (and easy to check) to NOT be known.
However, there is a way how we could explain why and how blackbeard got his hands on whitebeards fruit using the yami yami no mi (all assuming blackbeard actually has had the earthquake fruit at some point, presumably when he covered whitebeard with the black sheet). Just like the fruit can extract fruit powers (again, all part of the theory) it can also put the power into a specific fruit again after the user has died. This way, what blackbeard did under the sheet was put whitebeards power into a fruit, stored the fruit, and then while having stored the entire fruit in his darkness, call upon the power of the earthquake fruit to use its abilities.
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On February 08 2014 04:12 []Phase[] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 00:04 Saumure wrote:On February 07 2014 23:57 rei wrote:On February 07 2014 23:53 Saumure wrote:
I don't even know how this can still be an issue.
In some chapter, I clearly remember reading "One can only eat one fruit, exept for BB, who is different" [ofc I did not read it in english].
Maybe he hast 2 "souls" if you belive in this stuff (could also be 2 brains or a midget siamese twin)... Which would explain why Luffy and Zoro referded to him as "them".
I always thought when they said them, what they meant was blackbeard and his crewmates that they noticed nearby. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2332-16/one-piece/chapter-225.htmlthis is the pagee I am talking about. I agree you might think it is the companions because of what Nami said. The french thanslation is not the same. That's confusing ... Well, you could also interpret it like this : Luffy and Zoro know that this guy is not some random drunkard, but someone with power and probably captain or member of a crew. At that point in time, the readers did not know much about blackbeard. So having Luffy and Zoro imply that 'this random guy they just met' is part of a crew, can function as a way of introducing a future important character. (like the cliche "this is not some ordinary guy" - when characters say this in manga, it means the guy is going to play an important role in the future) So when they say "it's not he, it's they" they might have meant 'It's not only this guy that knows something about sky island, it's several powerful people that know about it' - basically telling them that sky island does indeed exist. Might be a bit farfetch'ed, but so is assuming that Luffy and Zoro somehow know something about the special properties of BB's body (if it were true) at that point in time, by just talking to the guy. Knowing that he is powerful is one thing, but knowing that detailed stuff is another. A variation on the theory that blackbeard's own devil fruit powers can store and release other devil fruit's powers : + Show Spoiler +
Disclaimer : full of assumptions so all the foriks, reis and others out there : yeah I know, it probably doesn't hold up a 100%.
As for how blackbeard can extract power from a fruit : maybe he just needs the actual fruit stored in his darkness power, and doesn't actually need to consume it. A problem with this is how he got whitebeard's fruit however.
If we assume that when a person dies, the nearest ordinary fruit near him turns into a devil fruit, it would be weird that no one in the world had found this out yet. I mean if it was a fact that when a fruituser dies the nearest fruit turns into a devil fruit, it would definitely be known by pirates and marines alike. It would simply be too important (and easy to check) to NOT be known.
However, there is a way how we could explain why and how blackbeard got his hands on whitebeards fruit using the yami yami no mi (all assuming blackbeard actually has had the earthquake fruit at some point, presumably when he covered whitebeard with the black sheet). Just like the fruit can extract fruit powers (again, all part of the theory) it can also put the power into a specific fruit again after the user has died. This way, what blackbeard did under the sheet was put whitebeards power into a fruit, stored the fruit, and then while having stored the entire fruit in his darkness, call upon the power of the earthquake fruit to use its abilities.
nah, pretty sure "they" was meant to describe Blackbeard, it's just one of the things Oda had planned years before the reader actually will know what he meant.
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On February 08 2014 00:04 Saumure wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 23:57 rei wrote:On February 07 2014 23:53 Saumure wrote:
I don't even know how this can still be an issue.
In some chapter, I clearly remember reading "One can only eat one fruit, exept for BB, who is different" [ofc I did not read it in english].
Maybe he hast 2 "souls" if you belive in this stuff (could also be 2 brains or a midget siamese twin)... Which would explain why Luffy and Zoro referded to him as "them".
I always thought when they said them, what they meant was blackbeard and his crewmates that they noticed nearby. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2332-16/one-piece/chapter-225.htmlthis is the pagee I am talking about. I agree you might think it is the companions because of what Nami said. The french thanslation is not the same. That's confusing ...
Haven't checked the French ones, but in the Japanese raws, Nami also asks where his nakama are. Hope that clears anything up.
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On February 08 2014 04:32 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 04:12 []Phase[] wrote:On February 08 2014 00:04 Saumure wrote:On February 07 2014 23:57 rei wrote:On February 07 2014 23:53 Saumure wrote:
I don't even know how this can still be an issue.
In some chapter, I clearly remember reading "One can only eat one fruit, exept for BB, who is different" [ofc I did not read it in english].
Maybe he hast 2 "souls" if you belive in this stuff (could also be 2 brains or a midget siamese twin)... Which would explain why Luffy and Zoro referded to him as "them".
I always thought when they said them, what they meant was blackbeard and his crewmates that they noticed nearby. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2332-16/one-piece/chapter-225.htmlthis is the pagee I am talking about. I agree you might think it is the companions because of what Nami said. The french thanslation is not the same. That's confusing ... Well, you could also interpret it like this : Luffy and Zoro know that this guy is not some random drunkard, but someone with power and probably captain or member of a crew. At that point in time, the readers did not know much about blackbeard. So having Luffy and Zoro imply that 'this random guy they just met' is part of a crew, can function as a way of introducing a future important character. (like the cliche "this is not some ordinary guy" - when characters say this in manga, it means the guy is going to play an important role in the future) So when they say "it's not he, it's they" they might have meant 'It's not only this guy that knows something about sky island, it's several powerful people that know about it' - basically telling them that sky island does indeed exist. Might be a bit farfetch'ed, but so is assuming that Luffy and Zoro somehow know something about the special properties of BB's body (if it were true) at that point in time, by just talking to the guy. Knowing that he is powerful is one thing, but knowing that detailed stuff is another. A variation on the theory that blackbeard's own devil fruit powers can store and release other devil fruit's powers : + Show Spoiler +
Disclaimer : full of assumptions so all the foriks, reis and others out there : yeah I know, it probably doesn't hold up a 100%.
As for how blackbeard can extract power from a fruit : maybe he just needs the actual fruit stored in his darkness power, and doesn't actually need to consume it. A problem with this is how he got whitebeard's fruit however.
If we assume that when a person dies, the nearest ordinary fruit near him turns into a devil fruit, it would be weird that no one in the world had found this out yet. I mean if it was a fact that when a fruituser dies the nearest fruit turns into a devil fruit, it would definitely be known by pirates and marines alike. It would simply be too important (and easy to check) to NOT be known.
However, there is a way how we could explain why and how blackbeard got his hands on whitebeards fruit using the yami yami no mi (all assuming blackbeard actually has had the earthquake fruit at some point, presumably when he covered whitebeard with the black sheet). Just like the fruit can extract fruit powers (again, all part of the theory) it can also put the power into a specific fruit again after the user has died. This way, what blackbeard did under the sheet was put whitebeards power into a fruit, stored the fruit, and then while having stored the entire fruit in his darkness, call upon the power of the earthquake fruit to use its abilities.
nah, pretty sure "they" was meant to describe Blackbeard, it's just one of the things Oda had planned years before the reader actually will know what he meant.
Does anyone have the japanese version or the official english translation of that part ? Because I have the french manga in front of my eyes and the conversation actually goes like this in it:
Nami: I have the impression that he knew something, where can that weird guy actually come from".
Luffy: I don't know, but anyway it's not " that weird guy"
Nami: What do you mean?
Zorro: It's "those weird guys"
I always interpreted it as Luffy saying that it's not the guy raving about following dreams in the middle of the street that's weird, it's those (namely Bellamy's crew) who think that dreams and dreamers are stupid.
This explains Nami's confusion about potential BB companions pretty well.
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On February 08 2014 05:03 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 04:32 sharkie wrote:On February 08 2014 04:12 []Phase[] wrote:On February 08 2014 00:04 Saumure wrote:On February 07 2014 23:57 rei wrote:On February 07 2014 23:53 Saumure wrote:
I don't even know how this can still be an issue.
In some chapter, I clearly remember reading "One can only eat one fruit, exept for BB, who is different" [ofc I did not read it in english].
Maybe he hast 2 "souls" if you belive in this stuff (could also be 2 brains or a midget siamese twin)... Which would explain why Luffy and Zoro referded to him as "them".
I always thought when they said them, what they meant was blackbeard and his crewmates that they noticed nearby. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2332-16/one-piece/chapter-225.htmlthis is the pagee I am talking about. I agree you might think it is the companions because of what Nami said. The french thanslation is not the same. That's confusing ... Well, you could also interpret it like this : Luffy and Zoro know that this guy is not some random drunkard, but someone with power and probably captain or member of a crew. At that point in time, the readers did not know much about blackbeard. So having Luffy and Zoro imply that 'this random guy they just met' is part of a crew, can function as a way of introducing a future important character. (like the cliche "this is not some ordinary guy" - when characters say this in manga, it means the guy is going to play an important role in the future) So when they say "it's not he, it's they" they might have meant 'It's not only this guy that knows something about sky island, it's several powerful people that know about it' - basically telling them that sky island does indeed exist. Might be a bit farfetch'ed, but so is assuming that Luffy and Zoro somehow know something about the special properties of BB's body (if it were true) at that point in time, by just talking to the guy. Knowing that he is powerful is one thing, but knowing that detailed stuff is another. A variation on the theory that blackbeard's own devil fruit powers can store and release other devil fruit's powers : + Show Spoiler +
Disclaimer : full of assumptions so all the foriks, reis and others out there : yeah I know, it probably doesn't hold up a 100%.
As for how blackbeard can extract power from a fruit : maybe he just needs the actual fruit stored in his darkness power, and doesn't actually need to consume it. A problem with this is how he got whitebeard's fruit however.
If we assume that when a person dies, the nearest ordinary fruit near him turns into a devil fruit, it would be weird that no one in the world had found this out yet. I mean if it was a fact that when a fruituser dies the nearest fruit turns into a devil fruit, it would definitely be known by pirates and marines alike. It would simply be too important (and easy to check) to NOT be known.
However, there is a way how we could explain why and how blackbeard got his hands on whitebeards fruit using the yami yami no mi (all assuming blackbeard actually has had the earthquake fruit at some point, presumably when he covered whitebeard with the black sheet). Just like the fruit can extract fruit powers (again, all part of the theory) it can also put the power into a specific fruit again after the user has died. This way, what blackbeard did under the sheet was put whitebeards power into a fruit, stored the fruit, and then while having stored the entire fruit in his darkness, call upon the power of the earthquake fruit to use its abilities.
nah, pretty sure "they" was meant to describe Blackbeard, it's just one of the things Oda had planned years before the reader actually will know what he meant. Does anyone have the japanese version or the official english translation of that part ? Because I have the french manga in front of my eyes and the conversation actually goes like this in it: Nami: I have the impression that he knew something, where can that weird guy actually come from". Luffy: I don't know, but anyway it's not " that weird guy" Nami: What do you mean? Zorro: It's "those weird guys" I always interpreted it as Luffy saying that it's not the guy raving about following dreams in the middle of the street that's weird, it's those (namely Bellamy's crew) who think that dreams and dreamers are stupid. This explains Nami's confusion about potential BB companions pretty well.
Zoro just says あいつらだ which can basically mean either interpretations. Thing with Japanese is that to translate it, at times you really need to rely on context. The problem here is that Nami clearly asks something about Nakama, but Zoro and Luffy never actually say that that is what they mean. I assume they do, but it could totally be the other way aswell
I'm just going to rely on the raws at this point, but the problem can lie in the conversion between languages at times. A native speaker might be able to tell us more, but perhaps the vagueness is intentional here. It's totally legit to say that Oda conciously left the 2 meanings open here. (altough I would argue that Zoro and Luffy wouldn't know of something as complex as a dual-spirited blackbeard, so I opt for the more obvious translation, namely that they refer to crewmembers)
EDIT : Unless the theory of a dual spirited, chimaera-like blackbeard is true, this passage probably won't matter much.
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I always thought that they realized BB's strength and that he wasn't just some random drunk but someone of note. I would expect the Whitebeard Pirates to know such things about his body given the 3 or more decades he spent with them but for a couple of people so early into their journey to notice something about BBs body structure would be extremely far fetched imo.
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On February 08 2014 05:18 []Phase[] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:03 Diavlo wrote:On February 08 2014 04:32 sharkie wrote:On February 08 2014 04:12 []Phase[] wrote:On February 08 2014 00:04 Saumure wrote:On February 07 2014 23:57 rei wrote:On February 07 2014 23:53 Saumure wrote:
I don't even know how this can still be an issue.
In some chapter, I clearly remember reading "One can only eat one fruit, exept for BB, who is different" [ofc I did not read it in english].
Maybe he hast 2 "souls" if you belive in this stuff (could also be 2 brains or a midget siamese twin)... Which would explain why Luffy and Zoro referded to him as "them".
I always thought when they said them, what they meant was blackbeard and his crewmates that they noticed nearby. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2332-16/one-piece/chapter-225.htmlthis is the pagee I am talking about. I agree you might think it is the companions because of what Nami said. The french thanslation is not the same. That's confusing ... Well, you could also interpret it like this : Luffy and Zoro know that this guy is not some random drunkard, but someone with power and probably captain or member of a crew. At that point in time, the readers did not know much about blackbeard. So having Luffy and Zoro imply that 'this random guy they just met' is part of a crew, can function as a way of introducing a future important character. (like the cliche "this is not some ordinary guy" - when characters say this in manga, it means the guy is going to play an important role in the future) So when they say "it's not he, it's they" they might have meant 'It's not only this guy that knows something about sky island, it's several powerful people that know about it' - basically telling them that sky island does indeed exist. Might be a bit farfetch'ed, but so is assuming that Luffy and Zoro somehow know something about the special properties of BB's body (if it were true) at that point in time, by just talking to the guy. Knowing that he is powerful is one thing, but knowing that detailed stuff is another. A variation on the theory that blackbeard's own devil fruit powers can store and release other devil fruit's powers : + Show Spoiler +
Disclaimer : full of assumptions so all the foriks, reis and others out there : yeah I know, it probably doesn't hold up a 100%.
As for how blackbeard can extract power from a fruit : maybe he just needs the actual fruit stored in his darkness power, and doesn't actually need to consume it. A problem with this is how he got whitebeard's fruit however.
If we assume that when a person dies, the nearest ordinary fruit near him turns into a devil fruit, it would be weird that no one in the world had found this out yet. I mean if it was a fact that when a fruituser dies the nearest fruit turns into a devil fruit, it would definitely be known by pirates and marines alike. It would simply be too important (and easy to check) to NOT be known.
However, there is a way how we could explain why and how blackbeard got his hands on whitebeards fruit using the yami yami no mi (all assuming blackbeard actually has had the earthquake fruit at some point, presumably when he covered whitebeard with the black sheet). Just like the fruit can extract fruit powers (again, all part of the theory) it can also put the power into a specific fruit again after the user has died. This way, what blackbeard did under the sheet was put whitebeards power into a fruit, stored the fruit, and then while having stored the entire fruit in his darkness, call upon the power of the earthquake fruit to use its abilities.
nah, pretty sure "they" was meant to describe Blackbeard, it's just one of the things Oda had planned years before the reader actually will know what he meant. Does anyone have the japanese version or the official english translation of that part ? Because I have the french manga in front of my eyes and the conversation actually goes like this in it: Nami: I have the impression that he knew something, where can that weird guy actually come from". Luffy: I don't know, but anyway it's not " that weird guy" Nami: What do you mean? Zorro: It's "those weird guys" I always interpreted it as Luffy saying that it's not the guy raving about following dreams in the middle of the street that's weird, it's those (namely Bellamy's crew) who think that dreams and dreamers are stupid. This explains Nami's confusion about potential BB companions pretty well. Zoro just says あいつらだ which can basically mean either interpretations. Thing with Japanese is that to translate it, at times you really need to rely on context. The problem here is that Nami clearly asks something about Nakama, but Zoro and Luffy never actually say that that is what they mean. I assume they do, but it could totally be the other way aswell I'm just going to rely on the raws at this point, but the problem can lie in the conversion between languages at times. A native speaker might be able to tell us more, but perhaps the vagueness is intentional here. It's totally legit to say that Oda conciously left the 2 meanings open here. (altough I would argue that Zoro and Luffy wouldn't know of something as complex as a dual-spirited blackbeard, so I opt for the more obvious translation, namely that they refer to crewmembers) EDIT : Unless the theory of a dual spirited, chimaera-like blackbeard is true, this passage probably won't matter much.
The question is does Nami say "who's that weird guy" and not just "who is he".
If the raw can be interpreted as "weird guy" than it would make sense that Luffy actually argues that blackbeard is not weird but rather Bellamy and his crew are.
Which would be coherent with the previous scene where Luffy and Zorro get beaten to a pulpe because they don't think people like Bellamy even deserve to be fought.
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On February 07 2014 23:11 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:40 sumsaR wrote:On February 07 2014 08:36 Sentenal wrote:
What if Pica absorbed Seastone? Would he die? I'm guessing he'd abruptly evacuate all stone currently absorbed, including the seastone. Seastone doesn't neglect the devil fruit power. Remember luffy vs arlong? Luffy was under water and his body still is rubber. Pica would be the same, he would remain a stone with everything he absorbed thus far, but his body should remain weaken to the point where he can't move anything. Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:30 sumsaR wrote:On February 07 2014 08:02 Zooper31 wrote:
What if a seastone sword or the weapon that smoker had ate a devil fruit. Would the world explode? Would just nullify the DF power. In this case, the object would be weaken and unable to control the fruit power, but the fruit's property would still be there. If it's an zoan animal, then it will not be able to move by itself and just lay there like a piece of meat
Seastone != sea water. There is no proof they interact the same with DF users. It's silly of you to assume they do and base your statements on that.
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It is a fact that contact with Seastone prevents the active use of Devil Fruit powers, as evidence from things like seastone handcuffs. Passive Devil Fruit powers, like for example people being made of rubber, is unclear about its exact effect, although I think it would disable active use of them.
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On February 08 2014 06:22 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 05:18 []Phase[] wrote:On February 08 2014 05:03 Diavlo wrote:On February 08 2014 04:32 sharkie wrote:On February 08 2014 04:12 []Phase[] wrote:On February 08 2014 00:04 Saumure wrote:On February 07 2014 23:57 rei wrote:On February 07 2014 23:53 Saumure wrote:
I don't even know how this can still be an issue.
In some chapter, I clearly remember reading "One can only eat one fruit, exept for BB, who is different" [ofc I did not read it in english].
Maybe he hast 2 "souls" if you belive in this stuff (could also be 2 brains or a midget siamese twin)... Which would explain why Luffy and Zoro referded to him as "them".
I always thought when they said them, what they meant was blackbeard and his crewmates that they noticed nearby. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2332-16/one-piece/chapter-225.htmlthis is the pagee I am talking about. I agree you might think it is the companions because of what Nami said. The french thanslation is not the same. That's confusing ... Well, you could also interpret it like this : Luffy and Zoro know that this guy is not some random drunkard, but someone with power and probably captain or member of a crew. At that point in time, the readers did not know much about blackbeard. So having Luffy and Zoro imply that 'this random guy they just met' is part of a crew, can function as a way of introducing a future important character. (like the cliche "this is not some ordinary guy" - when characters say this in manga, it means the guy is going to play an important role in the future) So when they say "it's not he, it's they" they might have meant 'It's not only this guy that knows something about sky island, it's several powerful people that know about it' - basically telling them that sky island does indeed exist. Might be a bit farfetch'ed, but so is assuming that Luffy and Zoro somehow know something about the special properties of BB's body (if it were true) at that point in time, by just talking to the guy. Knowing that he is powerful is one thing, but knowing that detailed stuff is another. A variation on the theory that blackbeard's own devil fruit powers can store and release other devil fruit's powers : + Show Spoiler +
Disclaimer : full of assumptions so all the foriks, reis and others out there : yeah I know, it probably doesn't hold up a 100%.
As for how blackbeard can extract power from a fruit : maybe he just needs the actual fruit stored in his darkness power, and doesn't actually need to consume it. A problem with this is how he got whitebeard's fruit however.
If we assume that when a person dies, the nearest ordinary fruit near him turns into a devil fruit, it would be weird that no one in the world had found this out yet. I mean if it was a fact that when a fruituser dies the nearest fruit turns into a devil fruit, it would definitely be known by pirates and marines alike. It would simply be too important (and easy to check) to NOT be known.
However, there is a way how we could explain why and how blackbeard got his hands on whitebeards fruit using the yami yami no mi (all assuming blackbeard actually has had the earthquake fruit at some point, presumably when he covered whitebeard with the black sheet). Just like the fruit can extract fruit powers (again, all part of the theory) it can also put the power into a specific fruit again after the user has died. This way, what blackbeard did under the sheet was put whitebeards power into a fruit, stored the fruit, and then while having stored the entire fruit in his darkness, call upon the power of the earthquake fruit to use its abilities.
nah, pretty sure "they" was meant to describe Blackbeard, it's just one of the things Oda had planned years before the reader actually will know what he meant. Does anyone have the japanese version or the official english translation of that part ? Because I have the french manga in front of my eyes and the conversation actually goes like this in it: Nami: I have the impression that he knew something, where can that weird guy actually come from". Luffy: I don't know, but anyway it's not " that weird guy" Nami: What do you mean? Zorro: It's "those weird guys" I always interpreted it as Luffy saying that it's not the guy raving about following dreams in the middle of the street that's weird, it's those (namely Bellamy's crew) who think that dreams and dreamers are stupid. This explains Nami's confusion about potential BB companions pretty well. Zoro just says あいつらだ which can basically mean either interpretations. Thing with Japanese is that to translate it, at times you really need to rely on context. The problem here is that Nami clearly asks something about Nakama, but Zoro and Luffy never actually say that that is what they mean. I assume they do, but it could totally be the other way aswell I'm just going to rely on the raws at this point, but the problem can lie in the conversion between languages at times. A native speaker might be able to tell us more, but perhaps the vagueness is intentional here. It's totally legit to say that Oda conciously left the 2 meanings open here. (altough I would argue that Zoro and Luffy wouldn't know of something as complex as a dual-spirited blackbeard, so I opt for the more obvious translation, namely that they refer to crewmembers) EDIT : Unless the theory of a dual spirited, chimaera-like blackbeard is true, this passage probably won't matter much. The question is does Nami say "who's that weird guy" and not just "who is he". If the raw can be interpreted as "weird guy" than it would make sense that Luffy actually argues that blackbeard is not weird but rather Bellamy and his crew are. Which would be coherent with the previous scene where Luffy and Zorro get beaten to a pulpe because they don't think people like Bellamy even deserve to be fought.
I get what you are saying, but I don't think that's it though. It seems pretty clear they are talking about Blackbeard there.
Also, they don't say anything about a weird guy. Nami just refers to blackbeard as 'he', and from there it's pretty much the same as the english translations. From there, Nami is just as confused as we are, because Luffy and Zoro don't say any more than that. As for what Nami asks : 何者かしら which is literally 'who I wonder', there probably meaning 'who is he' like in the normal translations. I'm thinking, and of this I'm not sure, it could also mean "I wonder if he knows something about sky island", but it wouldn't change anything.
Nami brings up the subject of Blackbeard, wondering if he knows something about sky island, and then Luffy and Zoro correct her. That's it.
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I already made a poll and asked people here who they think from the current Younko is the strongest
and almost everyone thought shanks is stronger than than kaido/BB(which is ridiculous)/Big Mom
Now i am curious who do you think is the most powerful from the known Marines or ex Marines if they go all out. Note it does not only factor strength but also intelligence and wisdom in combat and other stuff must factor.
Poll: Most Powerful Marine:Garp (the most unresponsible i have ever seen) (8) 33% Sakazuki Akainu(aka maker of the hole in Whitebeards chest and current fleet admiral) (7) 29% Kizaru(goofy admiral) (4) 17% Sengoku( guy with the huge wig) (3) 13% Aokiji (biker of the seas) (1) 4% Blind admiral ( the blind the guy that casts meteor) (1) 4% Smoker (i feel like i need to include this guy) (0) 0% 24 total votes Your vote: Most Powerful Marine: (Vote): Sakazuki Akainu(aka maker of the hole in Whitebeards chest and current fleet admiral)
(Vote): Kizaru(goofy admiral)
(Vote): Aokiji (biker of the seas)
(Vote): Garp (the most unresponsible i have ever seen)
(Vote): Sengoku( guy with the huge wig)
(Vote): Blind admiral ( the blind the guy that casts meteor)
(Vote): Smoker (i feel like i need to include this guy)
Note: I did not add all the marines. Just the known ones and the fan favorites. It would also be nice to know why you think that marine is the strongest ?
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Aokiji is no longer a Marine so you have to delete him.
I still don't understand Sengoku's power to even gauge his strength. All I know is that it is a golden buddha, but what does it do really?
I still believe it is Kizaru for speed and attack potential in a one on one battle. It doesn't matter that he shows himself to be goofy but he can get the job done if he needs to. So far, from what I see, his attitude is more aloof and just so that he doesn't get into trouble most of the time.
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I can't remember but didn't someone say that Kizaru was the strongest of the admirals pre timeskip or was their strength never compared?
Garp still the top dawg though.
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On February 08 2014 18:39 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Aokiji is no longer a Marine so you have to delete him.
I still don't understand Sengoku's power to even gauge his strength. All I know is that it is a golden buddha, but what does it do really?
I still believe it is Kizaru for speed and attack potential in a one on one battle. It doesn't matter that he shows himself to be goofy but he can get the job done if he needs to. So far, from what I see, his attitude is more aloof and just so that he doesn't get into trouble most of the time.
I edited my post that includes ex marines .. uhm from what i have seen his DF does something similar to whitebeards DF .. it just doesn't crack lands/air/sea but it does mass AOE attack as what i observed
And how are people thinking Garp is the strongest ?
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An enraged Garp.
On February 08 2014 18:44 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 18:39 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Aokiji is no longer a Marine so you have to delete him.
I still don't understand Sengoku's power to even gauge his strength. All I know is that it is a golden buddha, but what does it do really?
I still believe it is Kizaru for speed and attack potential in a one on one battle. It doesn't matter that he shows himself to be goofy but he can get the job done if he needs to. So far, from what I see, his attitude is more aloof and just so that he doesn't get into trouble most of the time.
And how are people thinking Garp is the strongest ?
He was Roger's rival, and should still be rather strong.
Try to imagine what would have happened to Akainu if Sengoku had not held Garp down after Ace was killed.
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