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GettingIt
1656 Posts
On February 06 2014 09:46 ElizarTringov wrote: "The very structure of his body... is strange!" No that's called being overweight Marco, that's called being overweight. Tsk tsk tsk Marco is so out of touch with the world. 50% of the Yonkous are fat, you gotta be hungry for success. | ||
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Zholistic
Australia278 Posts
Also I want to raise the depiction of Fujitora's power in the anime: it did look like he struck each of the dudes with his sword but didn't cut them. It's possible that he has to 'mark' the thing he wants to control with his sword in some way - maybe he cut out a bunch of rocks and holds them in orbit to have a meteors or something. This feels very much like Shiki's fruit though... Maybe he ate Shiki's? Heh. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
If the a sword were to eat a paramecia or logia type DF it would still have no intellect and you would have to shake to get to do what you want? You can train an item animal hybrid, but how can you train a gravity sword? | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:31 sumsaR wrote: I'd argue it's impossible (or you could choose to read impractical, or even useless, assuming it's technically possible) for things to possess the powers of a non-Zoan DF. The sentience that comes with Zoan DFs is a requirement, as in the case of Spandam's sword. i could see it for some fruits, like the poison fruit | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:37 Forikorder wrote: i could see it for some fruits, like the poison fruit Sure, if you want to poison yourself. Impractical, in other words. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:37 Forikorder wrote: i could see it for some fruits, like the poison fruit Or the Mera Mera for example. It's just fire or poison etc. It just really depends on the type of fruit imo and how it can be used. | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:40 Zooper31 wrote: Or the Mera Mera for example. It's just fire or poison etc. It just really depends on the type of fruit imo and how it can be used. Burn yourself trying to wield the thing. Impractical, or even impossible. It's hard to actually wield fire. It's not a solid. Non-sentience makes everything tricky, because you can't tell it what to do or how to do it. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:41 sumsaR wrote: Burn yourself trying to wield the thing. Impractical, or even impossible. It's hard to actually wield fire. It's not a solid. Non-sentience makes everything tricky, because you can't tell it what to do or how to do it. Have you never seen a flaming sword? Obviously the hilt isn't gonna be on fire or hot. People do that irl even. Heck you could prob get it to shoot fireballs at people when you point it like a gun. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:39 sumsaR wrote: Sure, if you want to poison yourself. Impractical, in other words. or wear gloves or jsut feed it to the blade and affix a hilt on later if needed | ||
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SupaChicken
Australia273 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
We don't know how items eat DF only that its a process Vegapunk discovered so it's probably more than just stabbing. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I'm guessing BB knew he had a weird body and he also knew that the Yami Yami No Mi was a fruit that would complement his body the most. Didn't he say "this fruit was meant for me" or something along those lines? Basically, the Yami Yami no Mi allows him to absorb the entity in the devil fruit (as shown in his fight with ace). There's little doubt in my mind that that's how he obtained the Gura fruit. Him having a weird body is what allowed him to obtain a second fruit. I don't think it has something to do with the Will of D. Some other D might have made the connection. There's just something fucking weird about Teach. He knows about this weirdness and he knows that the Yami fruit is the fruit that will let him exploit this weirdness the best. The question is whether or not this weirdness can be reproduced. I'd like to say I don't think so. But since we don't know anything, everything is just pure speculation at the moment. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On February 06 2014 12:02 BlackMagister wrote: The bright side of an item having your DF would be you wouldn't be weak to water and seastone, but I'd imagine you would have much less control over the DF. Though have we seen an item eat a non zoan type DF? The item DFs I can think of are Funkfreed owned by Spandam, originally a sword that ate an elephant type DF and Lassoo owned by Mr 4, originally a gun that ate a dog type DF. If the a sword were to eat a paramecia or logia type DF it would still have no intellect and you would have to shake to get to do what you want? You can train an item animal hybrid, but how can you train a gravity sword? You do it with bleach man | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:43 Zooper31 wrote: Have you never seen a flaming sword? Obviously the hilt isn't gonna be on fire or hot. People do that irl even. Heck you could prob get it to shoot fireballs at people when you point it like a gun. There's a difference between a sword's blade aflame and a sword of fire. A sword with the fire logia fruit would be all fire, not just the blade — assuming it was "turned on" always. It's hard to hold a hilt when it's non-solid fire, was my point. And how would you make a non-sentient sword of fire shoot fireballs anyway? Saying "please shoot fireballs" and hoping it can understand you with its non-intelligence and no way of actually hearing you? Impractical. On February 06 2014 14:26 Forikorder wrote: or wear gloves or jsut feed it to the blade and affix a hilt on later if needed Magellan's poison pretty much corroded most things it came into contact with if I remember correctly. Gloves wouldn't help you, nor would you have any control whatsoever of how powerful the poison would be or what kind of form it took (maybe it's generating a constant stream of wast amounts of poison?). Impractical. | ||
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Kirsed
9380 Posts
On February 06 2014 17:18 sumsaR wrote: There's a difference between a sword's blade aflame and a sword of fire. A sword with the fire logia fruit would be all fire, not just the blade — assuming it was "turned on" always. It's hard to hold a hilt when it's non-solid fire, was my point. And how would you make a non-sentient sword of fire shoot fireballs anyway? Saying "please shoot fireballs" and hoping it can understand you with its non-intelligence and no way of actually hearing you? Impractical. Magellan's poison pretty much corroded most things it came into contact with if I remember correctly. Gloves wouldn't help you, nor would you have any control whatsoever of how powerful the poison would be or what kind of form it took (maybe it's generating a constant stream of wast amounts of poison?). Impractical. The sword doesn't have to become completely aflame. You're thinking of something that looks like Kuwabara's sword or something. But if a sword ate the fruit there isn't any reason part of the sword could be fire and part of the sword be the hilt or something. I mean every fruit power we are referencing could be controlled like that. Eg Ace wasn't all fire or all human. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
People have different levels of optimism when talking about devil fruits. Giving a sword a devil fruit like the fire-fire is impossible to answer. If it becomes a "magical" fire sword, can you train it? Some people assume you use it like similar artifacts in other series. Some people assume it's like trying to train a stone to roll uphill. Let me pose another question: If an inanimate object eats a non-zoan fruit like the Horo Horo no mi(Perona's fruit). How would that work? Could the soul of the sword exit its own body, even if the sword didn't have a soul to begin with? And more importantly, how do you kill an inanimate object that ate a devil fruit that didn't become alive in the process? For a devil fruit to reappear it's user has to die. How do you kill an object with df powers, like a fire-fire sword, or a brick that can change its own weight, or a jacket that has been fed the jacket fruit to gain the ability to turn into a jacket? Or how about chair that ate the resurrection fruit(brooke)? Would its soul descend from heaven if the chair was broke, looking for its old body? Would the chair magically reassemble if the soul entered the chair again, or would the soul just occupy the largest piece of the broken chair? If the soul would enter the entire chair but not magically repair the chair, would the chair immediately die again, because it still has "deadly wounds"(for a chair)? All I know is that in that direction are weird, weird questions and no answers are in sight. | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On February 06 2014 18:10 kirsed wrote: The sword doesn't have to become completely aflame. You're thinking of something that looks like Kuwabara's sword or something. But if a sword ate the fruit there isn't any reason part of the sword could be fire and part of the sword be the hilt or something. I mean every fruit power we are referencing could be controlled like that. Eg Ace wasn't all fire or all human. There's no way of knowing that. And you have no way of controlling what part of the sword is affected and what's not. The hilt could be flame and the blade not. It's a non-sentient inanimate object that decides, you see. | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
Unless it has been shown, I do not think objects can take non Zoan fruits as they would be unable to actually think to control the transformation or manipulate their element nearby. I'm with those that say it is impossible (as it currently stands in the lore we know) for an object to become a logia or paramecia. When the sword with Mera mera shoot out fire, does it choose to control the fire or split itself up to execute the move thereby leaving you with a weapon that has reduced in mass to execute "a move". What then happens to the part that is separate since it is non sentient? Do you now have 2 objects with the same fruit element? It doesn't make any sense at this point to assume it is possible. Unless you have proof. | ||
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