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On January 05 2014 04:51 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see Akainu being Akainu with the soap soap tbh
Though Akainu could be doing mostly the same things with a magma shooting paramecia fruit. It not being a logia fruit wouldn't make him weaker, I think the argument is, as type of fruits matter less as long as they're potent on this power level.
Hell, I personally would pick a paramecia fruit if I had the choice. They're so much more fun than boring logias. Fujitora's gravity manipulation fruit (as of now unnamed, but it's obviously a paramecia) would be fun and stupidly powerful.
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What if the soap soap fruit was a logia? That'd be cool.
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Snow Logia was kinda cool, too bad she died 
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Or did she?! Oooowawawawwaawawaw
I mean that explosion didn't have Haki now did it?!?!
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On January 05 2014 08:26 shark. wrote:
Or did she?! Oooowawawawwaawawaw
I mean that explosion didn't have Haki now did it?!?!
her heart was stabbed XD
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On January 05 2014 08:29 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 08:26 shark. wrote:
Or did she?! Oooowawawawwaawawaw
I mean that explosion didn't have Haki now did it?!?! her heart was stabbed XD
But not with haki.
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You can hit Logia users with physical attacks if they aren't paying attention. They have to train themselves in order to become elemental to dodge attacks. The surprise attack by Luffy onto Smoker+Ace would be a good example though people debated it because of the rule of funny like how Nami can beat up Luffy. Logias can turn off their ability as seeen Caribou when he jumped onto the Sunny let himself get beat up to hide his Logia ability which I think proves you do need to turn the ability on as I'm guessing using your DF uses some stamina. Monet was injured and not ready for Caesars attack so she didn't turn on her snow ability.
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On January 05 2014 09:23 BlackMagister wrote:
You can hit Logia users with physical attacks if they aren't paying attention. They have to train themselves in order to become elemental to dodge attacks. The surprise attack by Luffy onto Smoker+Ace would be a good example though people debated it because of the rule of funny like how Nami can beat up Luffy. Logias can turn off their ability as seeen Caribou when he jumped onto the Sunny let himself get beat up to hide his Logia ability which I think proves you do need to turn the ability on as I'm guessing using your DF uses some stamina. Monet was injured and not ready for Caesars attack so she didn't turn on her snow ability.
then how come Zoro missed Monet? she was so freaked out that she couldnt even put herself back to together, she was so convinced that Zoro was 100% going to cut her that even after she realised she was still alive she was unable to really do anything
you expect me to believe she managed to dodge the attack despite all that?
imo Monet got stabbed because Law had seperated the heart from her body, it was under his domain so she couldnt control it, same reason smoker didnt jsut turn his heart into smoke and have it fly back or why Caeser never did
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Do you really not understand the Zoro Monet interaction Forikorder?
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On January 05 2014 14:04 kirsed wrote:
Do you really not understand the Zoro Monet interaction Forikorder?
ya Zoro scared her so much she was incapable of doing anything, but didnt strike with haki, and since Logias cant be hurt unless you use Haki she was perfectly fine despite not being able to react and the fear he imprinted on her prevented her from moving well afterwards
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On January 05 2014 14:10 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 14:04 kirsed wrote:
Do you really not understand the Zoro Monet interaction Forikorder? ya Zoro scared her so much she was incapable of doing anything, but didnt strike with haki, and since Logias cant be hurt unless you use Haki she was perfectly fine despite not being able to react and the fear he imprinted on her prevented her from moving well afterwards
Sounds right to me tbh. He was so powerful he didn't even need Haki to defeat and hurt her.
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I think its obvious that Forikorder is right in this instance. When Law uses his ability the victim can't control that body part. The Zoro/Monet interaction is completely separate and explains why she was unable to pull her two halves together. It does not however explain her heart being stabbed and dying.
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The Zoro Monet thing was memorable to me because Zoro couldn't bring himself to cut a woman.
Thinking you are hit when actually you did not get hit is an event that happened to more than a couple of people in RL before, which I think makes it believable.
Like your heart seems to stop when you think you will fall(think of your first scary rollercoaster when you were young).
On January 05 2014 04:51 Incognoto wrote:
I don't see Akainu being Akainu with the soap soap tbh
He would have jsut said Soap is smoother than fire and killed Ace with a soap fist.
Surreal and silly, but 95% sure it would have happened that way.
Ace's death would have been a really mixed bag with soap soap Akainu, though : (
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On January 05 2014 14:14 Slaughter wrote:
I think its obvious that Forikorder is right in this instance. When Law uses his ability the victim can't control that body part. The Zoro/Monet interaction is completely separate and explains why she was unable to pull her two halves together. It does not however explain her heart being stabbed and dying.
After a while she pulled the two halves together and tried to attack zoro again, tashigi stopped her and stabbed her heart
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Tashigi didn't stab her heart she just cut her a little because she used Haki. Monet died when Caeser stabbed the heart he thought was Law's.
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On January 05 2014 13:50 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 09:23 BlackMagister wrote:
You can hit Logia users with physical attacks if they aren't paying attention. They have to train themselves in order to become elemental to dodge attacks. The surprise attack by Luffy onto Smoker+Ace would be a good example though people debated it because of the rule of funny like how Nami can beat up Luffy. Logias can turn off their ability as seeen Caribou when he jumped onto the Sunny let himself get beat up to hide his Logia ability which I think proves you do need to turn the ability on as I'm guessing using your DF uses some stamina. Monet was injured and not ready for Caesars attack so she didn't turn on her snow ability. then how come Zoro missed Monet? she was so freaked out that she couldnt even put herself back to together, she was so convinced that Zoro was 100% going to cut her that even after she realised she was still alive she was unable to really do anything you expect me to believe she managed to dodge the attack despite all that? imo Monet got stabbed because Law had seperated the heart from her body, it was under his domain so she couldnt control it, same reason smoker didnt jsut turn his heart into smoke and have it fly back or why Caeser never did
Law's ability might negate DF power in separated parts, but the heart is still connected to the rest of the body pumping blood and Kinnemon showed individual parts can still move.
For Monet when she was fighting Zoro it could be easier to simply turn elemental than it is to reform the body. None of us know the trigger for turning elemental it could be thinking about turning elemental, a certain emotion, tensing your muscles or all of these ways and more. It seem possible that she used her power even though she was paralyzed with fear out of a fear response, but couldn't do something more complicated like reforming her cut body.
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On January 06 2014 01:42 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 13:50 Forikorder wrote:On January 05 2014 09:23 BlackMagister wrote:
You can hit Logia users with physical attacks if they aren't paying attention. They have to train themselves in order to become elemental to dodge attacks. The surprise attack by Luffy onto Smoker+Ace would be a good example though people debated it because of the rule of funny like how Nami can beat up Luffy. Logias can turn off their ability as seeen Caribou when he jumped onto the Sunny let himself get beat up to hide his Logia ability which I think proves you do need to turn the ability on as I'm guessing using your DF uses some stamina. Monet was injured and not ready for Caesars attack so she didn't turn on her snow ability. then how come Zoro missed Monet? she was so freaked out that she couldnt even put herself back to together, she was so convinced that Zoro was 100% going to cut her that even after she realised she was still alive she was unable to really do anything you expect me to believe she managed to dodge the attack despite all that? imo Monet got stabbed because Law had seperated the heart from her body, it was under his domain so she couldnt control it, same reason smoker didnt jsut turn his heart into smoke and have it fly back or why Caeser never did Law's ability might negate DF power in separated parts, but the heart is still connected to the rest of the body pumping blood and Kinnemon showed individual parts can still move. For Monet when she was fighting Zoro it could be easier to simply turn elemental than it is to reform the body. None of us know the trigger for turning elemental it could be thinking about turning elemental, a certain emotion, tensing your muscles or all of these ways and more. It seem possible that she used her power even though she was paralyzed with fear out of a fear response, but couldn't do something more complicated like reforming her cut body.
so your saying changing into elemental form is jsut an instinctual response that just happens automatically, jsut like ive been saying
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Weak users of Logia probably have to actively work in order to use their devil fruit, whereas strong people like Enel probably do it automatically.
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On January 06 2014 02:16 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 01:42 BlackMagister wrote:On January 05 2014 13:50 Forikorder wrote:On January 05 2014 09:23 BlackMagister wrote:
You can hit Logia users with physical attacks if they aren't paying attention. They have to train themselves in order to become elemental to dodge attacks. The surprise attack by Luffy onto Smoker+Ace would be a good example though people debated it because of the rule of funny like how Nami can beat up Luffy. Logias can turn off their ability as seeen Caribou when he jumped onto the Sunny let himself get beat up to hide his Logia ability which I think proves you do need to turn the ability on as I'm guessing using your DF uses some stamina. Monet was injured and not ready for Caesars attack so she didn't turn on her snow ability. then how come Zoro missed Monet? she was so freaked out that she couldnt even put herself back to together, she was so convinced that Zoro was 100% going to cut her that even after she realised she was still alive she was unable to really do anything you expect me to believe she managed to dodge the attack despite all that? imo Monet got stabbed because Law had seperated the heart from her body, it was under his domain so she couldnt control it, same reason smoker didnt jsut turn his heart into smoke and have it fly back or why Caeser never did Law's ability might negate DF power in separated parts, but the heart is still connected to the rest of the body pumping blood and Kinnemon showed individual parts can still move. For Monet when she was fighting Zoro it could be easier to simply turn elemental than it is to reform the body. None of us know the trigger for turning elemental it could be thinking about turning elemental, a certain emotion, tensing your muscles or all of these ways and more. It seem possible that she used her power even though she was paralyzed with fear out of a fear response, but couldn't do something more complicated like reforming her cut body. so your saying changing into elemental form is jsut an instinctual response that just happens automatically, jsut like ive been saying
I thought you were arguing that logia are elemental all the time since my original post was arguing that it needs to be a reflex that is trained and I would consider instinct a form of reflex. If the logia user is hit by a surprise attack even without haki the attack will hit. Hence even if Monet could use her DF power on her heart when it was separated by Law's ability she wouldn't know to do it to stop Caesar's attack.
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On January 06 2014 03:18 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 02:16 Forikorder wrote:On January 06 2014 01:42 BlackMagister wrote:On January 05 2014 13:50 Forikorder wrote:On January 05 2014 09:23 BlackMagister wrote:
You can hit Logia users with physical attacks if they aren't paying attention. They have to train themselves in order to become elemental to dodge attacks. The surprise attack by Luffy onto Smoker+Ace would be a good example though people debated it because of the rule of funny like how Nami can beat up Luffy. Logias can turn off their ability as seeen Caribou when he jumped onto the Sunny let himself get beat up to hide his Logia ability which I think proves you do need to turn the ability on as I'm guessing using your DF uses some stamina. Monet was injured and not ready for Caesars attack so she didn't turn on her snow ability. then how come Zoro missed Monet? she was so freaked out that she couldnt even put herself back to together, she was so convinced that Zoro was 100% going to cut her that even after she realised she was still alive she was unable to really do anything you expect me to believe she managed to dodge the attack despite all that? imo Monet got stabbed because Law had seperated the heart from her body, it was under his domain so she couldnt control it, same reason smoker didnt jsut turn his heart into smoke and have it fly back or why Caeser never did Law's ability might negate DF power in separated parts, but the heart is still connected to the rest of the body pumping blood and Kinnemon showed individual parts can still move. For Monet when she was fighting Zoro it could be easier to simply turn elemental than it is to reform the body. None of us know the trigger for turning elemental it could be thinking about turning elemental, a certain emotion, tensing your muscles or all of these ways and more. It seem possible that she used her power even though she was paralyzed with fear out of a fear response, but couldn't do something more complicated like reforming her cut body. so your saying changing into elemental form is jsut an instinctual response that just happens automatically, jsut like ive been saying I thought you were arguing that logia are elemental all the time since my original post was arguing that it needs to be a reflex that is trained and I would consider instinct a form of reflex. If the logia user is hit by a surprise attack even without haki the attack will hit. Hence even if Monet could use her DF power on her heart when it was separated by Law's ability she wouldn't know to do it to stop Caesar's attack.
instinct isnt a form of reflex, instionct is something you simply jsut know how to do like breathing or how to work your muscles or move your eyes its not something you learn or train its something that simply happens
and yes i do believe that after eating a logia there always made of there element like how luffy is always made of rubber or how Mr.1 is always made of metal theres no turning it off and on the fruit rebuilds there body as that element
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