EPTSo basically you are saying that the origins of "Oda is wrong" is wrong.
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
So basically you are saying that the origins of "Oda is wrong" is wrong. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
On January 04 2014 13:30 Sentenal wrote: So basically you are saying that the origins of "Oda is wrong" is wrong. Well did Oda ever say that the origins of "Oda is wrong" is not wrong? | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On January 04 2014 13:30 Sentenal wrote: So basically you are saying that the origins of "Oda is wrong" is wrong. i think you lost me there | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
I told you where "Oda is wrong" started from. You told me it didn't count. Therefore, you are saying that the origins of "Oda is wrong" is wrong. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2551 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Not sure how "Admiral level" is the same thing as "mid-game" either, lol. The Admirals are pretty top-tier. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
Also a fair amount of the logias encountered were cocky and/or underdeveloped fighters because of their fruit. Take Ace for example. He was powerful but showed no real ability to deal with people who could actually hit him. His fruit let him not really develop things like Haki (even though we know he had the ability) and even when fighting BB you saw BB comment how he "hadn't taken a hit in years". Ace probably wasn't at the stage where he was fighting top tier haki users on a regular basis and thus never got a chance to really develop. Plus there already exists plenty of top tier logias, Such as Enel, Akainu, Kuzan, Kizaru etc. Hell the phoenix zoan guy is basically like a logia and he showed a lot of power. It would just be boring if every S-class character was a logia. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
On January 03 2014 09:09 bittman wrote: I don't watch the anime because of the fillers, but also the poorly cut scenes and dragged out action which is indicative of all manga->anime conversions because they can't go too fast without having to invent a tonne of filler, which basically makes for a different story (e.g original Full Metal Alchemist). Only way I'll watch OP anime is if they do a One Piece Kai. Also, delayed happy birthday to Oda! One piece Kai actually exist and I'm watching it..I think the anime is still a bit boring (for example wasting 10s after an explosion occured, showing all the spectators of a fight saying useless stuff = another 30s wasted, etc, etc..) but I've never watched it so.. | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
After the point where Haki users are more frequent (thus nullifying your invulnerability), paramecia fruits with really potent abilities become preferable I'd recon. You can handle the non-haki users anyway due to your inherent strength, as at this point you don't really need to be a Logia to deal with them. You're weak, fighting haki users frequently: A logia won't help much here, nor would a paramecia fruit in most cases (buggy and sharp object is an exception). You're strong, fighting haki users frequently: powerful paramecia fruit is preferable. You're weak, not fighting haki users: Logia makes you invulnerable. You're strong, not fighting haki users. See above, but you'd probably not need the Logia in the first place. Edit: What the hell is a "One Piece Kai"? | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
Someone will probably bring up smoker but Vergo is one of the best Kenbonshoku Haki users and also at the top end of the Viceadmirals while Smoker is still a newbie. His Logia wasn't necessarily a hindrance but his Haki just much weaker than Vergo's. Sure Haki allows us to finally see Logia users getting wounded (without their hardcounters like in Croco or Enel's cases) but in return don't forget that Haki doesn't make the user invulnerable to Logia attacks. Logia are still still like fruits of massdestruction which can change the landscape drastically and Pretty sure Kizaru's lightsword with Haki hurts really hard :D. | ||
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Warfie
Norway2846 Posts
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Mensol
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On January 05 2014 01:16 Mensol wrote: What would happen if someone hit Magellan with Haki? Will he/she still get affected by poison? Haki doesnt negate devil fruits just prevents logias from automatically negating attacks | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On January 05 2014 01:20 Forikorder wrote: Haki doesnt negate devil fruits just prevents logias from automatically negating attacks And Magellan has a paramecia AFAIK. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On January 04 2014 20:13 sumsaR wrote: As long as you're not fighting Haki users frequently or at all, Logias is the most optimal fruit to have. After the point where Haki users are more frequent (thus nullifying your invulnerability), paramecia fruits with really potent abilities become preferable I'd recon. You can handle the non-haki users anyway due to your inherent strength, as at this point you don't really need to be a Logia to deal with them. You're weak, fighting haki users frequently: A logia won't help much here, nor would a paramecia fruit in most cases (buggy and sharp object is an exception). You're strong, fighting haki users frequently: powerful paramecia fruit is preferable. You're weak, not fighting haki users: Logia makes you invulnerable. You're strong, not fighting haki users. See above, but you'd probably not need the Logia in the first place. Edit: What the hell is a "One Piece Kai"? What sort of advantage does being Paramecia, in and of itself, offer that is superior to Logia? At this point in the story, things like "paramecia" and "logia" don't matter. The only things that matter are if the fruit offers a really potent ability, and the skill with the fruit. The class of the fruit is practically irrelevant now. | ||
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DODswe4
Sweden2157 Posts
On January 05 2014 04:30 Sentenal wrote: What sort of advantage does being Paramecia, in and of itself, offer that is superior to Logia? At this point in the story, things like "paramecia" and "logia" don't matter. The only things that matter are if the fruit offers a really potent ability, and the skill with the fruit. The class of the fruit is practically irrelevant now. depends alot on the paramecia, Laws fruit have some really good unique abilities for example. But yes it depends on the fruit, logias are still strong just not invincible. All fruits can be used to great effect depends on how good the character is at using it | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On January 05 2014 04:39 DODswe4 wrote: depends alot on the paramecia, Laws fruit have some really good unique abilities for example. But yes it depends on the fruit, logias are still strong just not invincible. All fruits can be used to great effect depends on how good the character is at using it Yeah, thats my point. It depends on the fruit. It doesn't matter what class of fruit it is. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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zeratul_jf
United States808 Posts
On January 05 2014 04:51 Incognoto wrote: I don't see Akainu being Akainu with the soap soap tbh Have you ever eaten soap?? lol | ||
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