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On November 11 2013 10:49 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 07:22 Sentenal wrote:On November 10 2013 19:20 kirsed wrote:On November 10 2013 18:00 sumsaR wrote:On November 10 2013 12:08 BlackMagister wrote:
The amount of time the anime can extend mundane scenes in a main story arc is amazing. Inside the the laboratory it was just constant shots of them running and running and more running from the smoke. Monet taking forever to fail at pushing the god damn button and every individual characters reaction face. It's still worth watching for the times the it has good animation of great fights from the manga. Considering they ran alot from the smoke, it seems to have been justified. Monet talked alot because she had a lot on her chest. Also building up the scene. You can't assume a dialogue is over in the same time you read it in a manga. That's just absurd, and a reason why it's much quicker to read manga than watching anime (which tends to expand and "drag out" opportune moments either because they can (standard practice), or because it'll help the mood (as is most cases in OP). Had you not read the manga beforehand and knew what was going to happen you'd probably not see it the same way. It's a fairly common sideeffect of watching the slower anime after you've read the relatively fast-paced manga. I'm pretty sure it's noticeable even to someone who just watched the anime. Isn't not at thriller bark that they changed it to be one chapter equals one episode? Before that the show was much faster paced. No, One Piece has had the same pacing since thw beginning. Go back and check, its always been about 1.5 chapters per episode. People complain about the anine's pacing once they get caught up and can't marathon it anymore, when in reality its been going at pretty much the same pace throughout the whole thing. That's actually not right. Let me give you some stats: Alabasta began on episode 93 and ended on episode 130, making it 37 episodes long. For the manga, it began on chapter 157 and ended on chapter 217, making it 60 chapters long. So for Alabasta the ratio is roughly 1 episode to 1.62 chapters. Now for Thriller Bark and the Florian Triangle: began episode 337 and ended episode 381. 44 episodes. Similarly, it began on chapter 442 and ended on chapter 489. That's a 1 to 1.07 ratio. The anime started getting slower around the middle of Water 7 so by the time we reached Thriller Bark it was already at the 1 chapter per episode pace. The belief that the anime was a lot faster and more tolerable in the past is not just nostalgia goggles, it's fact.
Are you trying to tell me I was wrong for saying "about 1.5 chapters per episode" when the actual number was "1.62"? Or that one and a half chapters per episode is "much faster" than 1 and a 10th?
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On November 11 2013 11:53 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 10:49 Hyperbola wrote:On November 11 2013 07:22 Sentenal wrote:On November 10 2013 19:20 kirsed wrote:On November 10 2013 18:00 sumsaR wrote:On November 10 2013 12:08 BlackMagister wrote:
The amount of time the anime can extend mundane scenes in a main story arc is amazing. Inside the the laboratory it was just constant shots of them running and running and more running from the smoke. Monet taking forever to fail at pushing the god damn button and every individual characters reaction face. It's still worth watching for the times the it has good animation of great fights from the manga. Considering they ran alot from the smoke, it seems to have been justified. Monet talked alot because she had a lot on her chest. Also building up the scene. You can't assume a dialogue is over in the same time you read it in a manga. That's just absurd, and a reason why it's much quicker to read manga than watching anime (which tends to expand and "drag out" opportune moments either because they can (standard practice), or because it'll help the mood (as is most cases in OP). Had you not read the manga beforehand and knew what was going to happen you'd probably not see it the same way. It's a fairly common sideeffect of watching the slower anime after you've read the relatively fast-paced manga. I'm pretty sure it's noticeable even to someone who just watched the anime. Isn't not at thriller bark that they changed it to be one chapter equals one episode? Before that the show was much faster paced. No, One Piece has had the same pacing since thw beginning. Go back and check, its always been about 1.5 chapters per episode. People complain about the anine's pacing once they get caught up and can't marathon it anymore, when in reality its been going at pretty much the same pace throughout the whole thing. That's actually not right. Let me give you some stats: Alabasta began on episode 93 and ended on episode 130, making it 37 episodes long. For the manga, it began on chapter 157 and ended on chapter 217, making it 60 chapters long. So for Alabasta the ratio is roughly 1 episode to 1.62 chapters. Now for Thriller Bark and the Florian Triangle: began episode 337 and ended episode 381. 44 episodes. Similarly, it began on chapter 442 and ended on chapter 489. That's a 1 to 1.07 ratio. The anime started getting slower around the middle of Water 7 so by the time we reached Thriller Bark it was already at the 1 chapter per episode pace. The belief that the anime was a lot faster and more tolerable in the past is not just nostalgia goggles, it's fact. Are you trying to tell me I was wrong for saying "about 1.5 chapters per episode" when the actual number was "1.62"?
He's telling you that it's indeed gotten slower. Which you argued against saying it's stayed the same since the beginning.
edit: Omg I'm a scout.
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Its gotten negligibly slower. Unless you mean to tell me that having like 9 pages less content every episode is the difference between fast and slow.
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On November 11 2013 11:57 Sentenal wrote:
Its gotten negligibly slower. Unless you mean to tell me that having like 9 pages less content every episode is the difference between fast and slow.
That's all he's getting at. It indeed has gotten slower.
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Thats ignoring entire point of what I was trying to say. My statement was about people acting like how it used to be, and I quote, "a lot faster" or "much faster paced". That implies a significant difference in speed. When that is not the case. Slowing down a little bit is not the same thing as what they are trying to make it out to be.
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On November 11 2013 12:03 Sentenal wrote:
Thats ignoring entire point of what I was trying to say. My statement was about people acting like how it used to be, and I quote, "a lot faster" or "much faster paced". That implies a significant difference in speed. When that is not the case. Slowing down a little bit is not the same thing as what they are trying to make it out to be.
So I guess we're down to argueing about what constitutes fast/slow. Going down half a chapter per episode is considerable considering they only cover 1.6 chapters per episode. That's a 33% decrease. 33% for me is a big difference, maybe your standards are higher and you want 40 or 50%? Before you label it as going much slower that is.
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Yeah, if they had 2 chapters per episode and it went down to 1 chapter per episode, I'd say that is "much slower". But I don't think going down like 9~ pages, depending on how many two-page spreads we get, every episode is "much slower". Slower, sure, but not as slow as people make it out to be.
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33% per episode is a lot. at the old speeds we could finish an arc in say, 60 episodes. now we need 80
you dont think thats a significant difference?
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20 more episodes being around 24min long comes out 8hours. We have to wait 8 more hours to finish an arc now. That's at least 5 months in actual wait time, almost half a year, depending on how many filler episodes we get or weeks they skip putting out a new episode.
I got Sentenal to admit it's going slower, I'll take it.
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You people play with numbers too much. Of course little bits each episode will add up over time. If you used large enough numbers, you could try and use a simple episode difference like that to say that 15% is "much slower".
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It's been a while since I've seen the older arcs of One Piece, but the reason this arc's stretching might be worse than previous arcs is the extra scenes are worse. It's stretched running scenes, Ussop looking for sea stone cuffs, Monet thinking about what pressing the button would be like in a day dream and also just staring at the button in real time. They did add an extended fight scene with Vergo which was ok.
In Fishmen Island arc Zoro got to fight an extra enemy, we saw Robin find the Poneglyph, they added extra scenes with the bad guys taking energy steroids making their final consequence of taking the steroid make more sense given Hordy had took a lot in the manga, but his henchmen didn't seem to take any but shared the same fate.
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On November 11 2013 12:41 Sentenal wrote:
You people play with numbers too much. Of course little bits each episode will add up over time. If you used large enough numbers, you could try and use a simple episode difference like that to say that 15% is "much slower".
dont even need that large a number. 15% is a fair bit too
we use numbers because it speaks facts. you cant deny logic
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On November 11 2013 13:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 12:41 Sentenal wrote:
You people play with numbers too much. Of course little bits each episode will add up over time. If you used large enough numbers, you could try and use a simple episode difference like that to say that 15% is "much slower". dont even need that large a number. 15% is a fair bit too we use numbers because it speaks facts. you cant deny logic
You are picking and choosing numbers to try and make it seem bigger than it is. The whole point of the numbers you picked was "Look, now its 80 episodes instead of 60! That is TWENTY more episodes!" What if you had used numbers like 8 and 6? Then its no big deal, only two episodes. But of course, those numbers don't suit what you are going for. Gotta make them real big so the difference stands out!
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If the ratio went up from 1.07 episodes per chapter to 1.62, then the anime would suddenly be covering 50% more chapter per episode.
Working with percentages and ratios, that is much.
Also the ratio is closer to 9 vs 6 than 8 vs 6.
Claiming that going down from 2:1 to 1:1 is a big change and going down from 1.6 to 1.1 is basically no change is kind of nonsensical.
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On November 11 2013 14:58 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 13:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 11 2013 12:41 Sentenal wrote:
You people play with numbers too much. Of course little bits each episode will add up over time. If you used large enough numbers, you could try and use a simple episode difference like that to say that 15% is "much slower". dont even need that large a number. 15% is a fair bit too we use numbers because it speaks facts. you cant deny logic You are picking and choosing numbers to try and make it seem bigger than it is. The whole point of the numbers you picked was "Look, now its 80 episodes instead of 60! That is TWENTY more episodes!" What if you had used numbers like 8 and 6? Then its no big deal, only two episodes. But of course, those numbers don't suit what you are going for. Gotta make them real big so the difference stands out!
That is still a big deal. Everything is relative. 80 and 60 or 8 and 6. You're being dumb. A change from 1.6 to 1.1 is a huge change.
8 and 6 makes 150 minutes 200 (25 min eps, mine are 20?  ) not a big difference relatively at all. It perfectly suits everything anyone in here is going for, except you.
That difference still stands the fuck out and it will do with ANY numbers you throw out because guess wut: Its all relative to the original length in the first place and the coup de grace: math.
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On November 11 2013 14:58 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 13:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:On November 11 2013 12:41 Sentenal wrote:
You people play with numbers too much. Of course little bits each episode will add up over time. If you used large enough numbers, you could try and use a simple episode difference like that to say that 15% is "much slower". dont even need that large a number. 15% is a fair bit too we use numbers because it speaks facts. you cant deny logic You are picking and choosing numbers to try and make it seem bigger than it is. The whole point of the numbers you picked was "Look, now its 80 episodes instead of 60! That is TWENTY more episodes!" What if you had used numbers like 8 and 6? Then its no big deal, only two episodes. But of course, those numbers don't suit what you are going for. Gotta make them real big so the difference stands out!
lol...are you that desperate to cling to your opinion that you have to nitpick at the most unimportant point we made? the size of the number? if it means that much to you, why dont we use a number that is actually real. 37 episodes for alabasta -> roughly 50 at current ratio
that a big enough difference for you? seriously it amazes me sometimes how people can be so stubborn despite facts staring them right in the face
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On November 11 2013 15:19 flamewheel wrote:
Numbers can lie guys
You obviously misinterpret your own opinion.
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You guys are over thinking it.
Take it from a guy who has watched One Piece anime from start to Punk Hazard in less than a month, pacing has always been slow. If you can marathon through it though, it's actually perfectly fine. Anime is definitely slow if you're at one episode a week, which is why I stopped watching the anime and I'm sticking to the manga. I'll watch the anime one arc at a time now.
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On November 11 2013 18:44 Incognoto wrote:
You guys are over thinking it.
Take it from a guy who has watched One Piece anime from start to Punk Hazard in less than a month, pacing has always been slow. If you can marathon through it though, it's actually perfectly fine. Anime is definitely slow if you're at one episode a week, which is why I stopped watching the anime and I'm sticking to the manga. I'll watch the anime one arc at a time now.
This is the reason why I love OVA titles. ^ ^
But some of them might be too fast paced, as if they expect the watcher to already know the manga through and through (which most of them undoubtedly do).
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