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On September 09 2013 15:39 evilfatsh1t wrote:
...? When did i say he should be the first to get in a fist fight? Im saying he is supposed to have conquerors haki, and considering the amount of damage he dealt at the end of the war with all those injuries, he definitely should have been able to use it. But the fact that he didnt do anything and in the end it was up to luffys unreliable haki just shows oda attempted to make luffy the hero while making whitebeard look like the guy who just breaks shit but doesnt really achieve anything in the end. Plothole
Or he made Whitebeard a person who wanted to hand off the world to the younger generation aka Luffy, because he knew he wasn't going to around much longer to keep the peace and wanted someone good hearted to take over and be someone people should look up to.
There was no doubt in the world that Whitebeard was on his deathbed and wasn't fighting at full power at all. But even in his weakened state he was still able to beat some of the best.
I'm not sure why you guys are argueing about this whole thing. Are you mad Whitebeard didn't use conq haki? What if he didn't want to?
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I don't actually get why people or someone is saying that Conq. Haki can be a targetted attack. If it is, can you show us proof at least? Manga, data book or even a series clip?
Because Shanks had Conq. Haki on, so I am assuming his small crew all can tolerate his Haki release. Remember when was just boarding Whitebeard's boat, Whitebeard told some of his crew to keep away as they would faint. So again, show me proof that it can be targetted at least, then we might be getting somewhere with that idea. Otherwise, it is unwise for the issue to even be considered a fact.
As for when he could enter the war to participate, it is a strategic move. Would you place your strongest unit in the front lines? In a battle where you are unsure whether you can win? Do you even think for the slightest that Whitebeard (in that arc) was 100% sure he was going to win and get Ace back? I really think he was stretching it. Because if you think about it, Luffy's plan to attack the prison was a more practical approach as the marines there would have been many but they wouldn't be the ranks of the Shibukai,3 admirals plus Garp and Sengoku.
Yes, I know we are going into what the owner's real intention was for the character blah blah blah, but from the way Oda presented it to us, I was always under the impression that the threat of defeat was always looming above our heroes during the war. They gave us hope in the beginning when the giant ran through fodder on to the wall only to be defeated so quickly. Then you had diamond Jozu but he was also bested, same with the Phoenix guy.
It was really good storytelling because the author always showed us it will not always go our hero's way in terms of the story. And that I believe has always been a consistency he has shown.
My two cents
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On September 09 2013 16:20 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I don't actually get why people or someone is saying that Conq. Haki can be a targetted attack. If it is, can you show us proof at least? Manga, data book or even a series clip?
Because Shanks had Conq. Haki on, so I am assuming his small crew all can tolerate his Haki release. Remember when was just boarding Whitebeard's boat, Whitebeard told some of his crew to keep away as they would faint. So again, show me proof that it can be targetted at least, then we might be getting somewhere with that idea. Otherwise, it is unwise for the issue to even be considered a fact.
the first time we ever saw conq. haki used shanks was holding child luffy as he scared away the sea king. was luffy affected? no.
the second time we saw it it was on whitebeards boat. shanks came to the point to tell whitebeard to leave blackbeard the fuck alone because he knew what powers he had. he was trying to illustrate a point, he was angry even, because shanks knew that sending ace alone was stupid, even though ace wanted to himself. shanks came onto the boat with the PURPOSE of scaring everyone so whitebeard would listen the fuck up, failing with the latter.
also, when rayleigh is teaching him se says THIS FUCKING SHIT (thanks to evilfatsh1t for the link) clearly stating that haki is to be used on selected individuals or else passive, innocent bystanders will take harm, which is exactly what luffy had been doing up until that point due to his unskilled and unrefined haki (talking about duvals bull incident, when he knocked out the audience at the tournament on amazon lily, when he knocked out the guards in marineford etc.)
as a last source, the one piece wiki clearly states:
Whilst inexperienced users are restricted to merely overpowering the will of one individual or blindly knocking out weak-willed people around them, those with more expertise can pick out weak-willed individuals in a large group and knock them out without affecting those around them (http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Haki/Haoshoku_Haki)
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also, i'm not stupid, the one piece wiki perhaps isn't the greatest source, but their footnotes for writing this is the exact event i have been debating all along, namely the auction house incident.
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Ok, Conquerers Haki can be targeted, Whitebeard was too old an sick at MF to do anything special and Sanji+Zoro have AH+OH. Maybe they get CH too.
Anyone has a guess when Jimbei will show up again? Does he have AH?
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I'm so keen for next weeks episode. Reading the chapter where Zoro owned Monet was just so sick, especially that bit where he like struck so much fear into her that she couldn't reassemble herself (atleast, that's what I remember).
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On September 09 2013 17:16 Elerris wrote:
I'm so keen for next weeks episode. Reading the chapter where Zoro owned Money was just so sick, especially that bit where he like struck so much fear into her that she couldn't reassemble herself (atleast, that's what I remember).
The fact that Zoro can scare people like s*** was always a small hint for me that he could have Conquerers Haki.
http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v69/c687/16.html
Oh and by rereading that scene with money I realized Tashigi also got AH Oo. I somehow missed that and didn´t read it here once. I´m soooooo exited for the relationship between Zoro and Tashigi in the future.
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Now that you mention Zoro's possible CH, it might be connected to why he doesn't use his right eye
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On September 09 2013 20:21 b3n3tt3 wrote:
Now that you mention Zoro's possible CH, it might be connected to why he doesn't use his right eye
Wat
It might also have to do with the giant scar that goes right through his left (!) eye
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CH has only anything to do with the user's spirit strength
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Thanks for reminding me of Naruto.
Who knows, maybe Zoro will start wearing a mask over his mouth and copying techniques of other people /low humor
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How do you know if Whitebeard is even capable of conqueror's haki? As far as I know, he has never used it in the series. If you can only get it through genetics, some important characters are bound to not have it.
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On September 10 2013 13:53 Hyperbola wrote:
How do you know if Whitebeard is even capable of conqueror's haki? As far as I know, he has never used it in the series. If you can only get it through genetics, some important characters are bound to not have it.
From when Shanks met with him on the boat. And it was implied couple times, don't ask me where, don't have specific chapters.
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On September 10 2013 14:24 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 13:53 Hyperbola wrote:
How do you know if Whitebeard is even capable of conqueror's haki? As far as I know, he has never used it in the series. If you can only get it through genetics, some important characters are bound to not have it. From when Shanks met with him on the boat. And it was implied couple times, don't ask me where, don't have specific chapters.
Can't look it up at work, but the chapter where Luffy uses it. Most translations say something along the lines of "The same haki as whitebeard" or something. Sorry for not having the link =(
Anyway, here's my explanation of the thing.
Oda: "Would be cool if Luffy used haki in the thing to knock out tonnes of people!"
Editors: "Yes Oda-sama!"
One Editor: "Don't other characters here have CH? Why don't they use it?"
<That Editor gets thrown out the window>
The reason Whitebeard didn't use it is the same reason the admirals didn't use it. Mainus Characterus Shonenitis.
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On September 10 2013 13:53 Hyperbola wrote:
How do you know if Whitebeard is even capable of conqueror's haki? As far as I know, he has never used it in the series. If you can only get it through genetics, some important characters are bound to not have it.
His crews said so at Marineford. IMO not every top tier has CH. It just shows you have quality of a king. You could be really strong without it. Aokji for example was really shocked at Luffy having CH.
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On September 10 2013 15:04 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 14:24 Zooper31 wrote:On September 10 2013 13:53 Hyperbola wrote:
How do you know if Whitebeard is even capable of conqueror's haki? As far as I know, he has never used it in the series. If you can only get it through genetics, some important characters are bound to not have it. From when Shanks met with him on the boat. And it was implied couple times, don't ask me where, don't have specific chapters. Can't look it up at work, but the chapter where Luffy uses it. Most translations say something along the lines of "The same haki as whitebeard" or something. Sorry for not having the link =( Anyway, here's my explanation of the thing. Oda: "Would be cool if Luffy used haki in the thing to knock out tonnes of people!" Editors: "Yes Oda-sama!" One Editor: "Don't other characters here have CH? Why don't they use it?" <That Editor gets thrown out the window> The reason Whitebeard didn't use it is the same reason the admirals didn't use it. Mainus Characterus Shonenitis.
I heard shank could down alot ppl with the Haki, Imagine he is @ the war, and then he does it.  at the begiining of the war.
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On September 10 2013 18:13 Zholistic wrote:Origin of the devil fruit (latest naruto spoilers): + Show Spoiler +
I was reading this and was like, wtf did I completely forget about this chapter? Then I realized it's early release for Naruto haha.
Already read One Piece spoilers, as well.
+ Show Spoiler +No Chapter next week 
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Pretty boring chapter if you ask me, but what the hell, it's still One Piece !
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