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Usopp suddenly the biggest baller in the OP universe
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On July 21 2013 01:58 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 23:24 gedatsu wrote:On July 20 2013 14:02 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 14:01 Scaramanga wrote:On July 20 2013 13:35 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 12:20 Milkis wrote:On July 20 2013 08:43 rei wrote:On July 20 2013 05:49 Milkis wrote:On July 20 2013 04:15 killa_robot wrote:On July 20 2013 04:05 Milkis wrote:[quote] so a character can never lie or be wrong? i think everyone should be a bit more careful  Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author. It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true. There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true. like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart? This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too. One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here. Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard. Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard. On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss. Blackbeard isnt technically a Logia, Ace had no problem attacking and hurting Blackbeard Ace lost because Blackbeard was stronger, it wasnt some msitake from Ace Blackbeard simply overpowered him Yes he is yes his fruit is classified as a logia but its really closer to being a paramecia since he cant dodge attacks with it Being a logia doesn't give you the ability to dodge attacks, it gives you the ability to transform your body into your element. Blackbeard can do that. His element just happens to be unique in that it doesn't move out of the way when someone puts a fist through it. Saying he's closer to being a paramecia is kind of like saying that Bellamy is closer to being a logia. Because he can dodge attacks by turning into springs. but he cant really turn into his element he jsut creates darkness not turn into darkness other logias can completely transform there body to transportation and fighting but Blackbeard always keeps his normal body can just has darkness coating it its alot more like Magellans fruit then a Logia
Yes, he can really turn into his element. But it's a bad idea for him to do so, since he explains that darkness pulls everything in. If he did turn into darkness, he would take more damage from attacks. That is why he doesn't do it.
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On July 23 2013 18:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Usopp suddenly the biggest baller in the OP universe
Since he got his 8000 man army now, his popularity status sky rocket for me.
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On July 23 2013 18:13 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 18:00 Big-t wrote:On July 23 2013 17:47 Incognoto wrote:
I believe all characters in One Piece are truly well written. Doflamingo for sure. But Mihawk as well, I think that the one great thing about Mihawk is that we know almost NOTHING about him.
Anyway. You heard it here first! If there's ever a romantic relationship in One Piece, it'll be between Nami and Usopp.
Don´t forget that Usopp has a hot girl waiting at home until he comes back^^ That poor girl if that happens...Oh you were waiting for me all these years? Sorry I ended up hooking up with the navigator, she was too hot not too...lol
http://images.wikia.com/onepiece/images/1/1b/Nami_usopp.png
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On July 23 2013 18:23 gedatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 01:58 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 23:24 gedatsu wrote:On July 20 2013 14:02 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 14:01 Scaramanga wrote:On July 20 2013 13:35 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 12:20 Milkis wrote:On July 20 2013 08:43 rei wrote:On July 20 2013 05:49 Milkis wrote:On July 20 2013 04:15 killa_robot wrote:
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Depends what the topic is about. When describing their own abilities? No they won't lie, unless it's obvious to the audience due to other known info, as character's monologuing about their abilities is the way they are traditionally described to us by the author.
It can happen sure, but until we get conflicting info, we have to assume it's true. There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true. like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart? This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too. One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here. Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard. Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard. On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss. Blackbeard isnt technically a Logia, Ace had no problem attacking and hurting Blackbeard Ace lost because Blackbeard was stronger, it wasnt some msitake from Ace Blackbeard simply overpowered him Yes he is yes his fruit is classified as a logia but its really closer to being a paramecia since he cant dodge attacks with it Being a logia doesn't give you the ability to dodge attacks, it gives you the ability to transform your body into your element. Blackbeard can do that. His element just happens to be unique in that it doesn't move out of the way when someone puts a fist through it. Saying he's closer to being a paramecia is kind of like saying that Bellamy is closer to being a logia. Because he can dodge attacks by turning into springs. but he cant really turn into his element he jsut creates darkness not turn into darkness other logias can completely transform there body to transportation and fighting but Blackbeard always keeps his normal body can just has darkness coating it its alot more like Magellans fruit then a Logia Yes, he can really turn into his element. But it's a bad idea for him to do so, since he explains that darkness pulls everything in. If he did turn into darkness, he would take more damage from attacks. That is why he doesn't do it.
His fruit is a true logia and is unique in the fact that darkness sucks in everything which means he will be hurt. And the argument that he can't really turn into his element is obviously flawed if you read Chapter 441.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2548-15/one-piece/chapter-441.html
Look how in that page he straight up turns into darkness for most of his body.
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Haha, people think it's a good theory.
Ahh, manga communities. So naive.
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yeah...that's a nonsense theory.
as for Nami/Usopp - they just have a strong bond as the only two human Strawhats.
Nami and Sogeking though...+ Show Spoiler +
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On July 23 2013 22:17 bittman wrote:
Haha, people think it's a good theory.
Ahh, manga communities. So naive.
yeah, everyone knows enel is bonney's father.
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I dunno, that seems really flimsy... that being said, before I scrolled further down the first thing that came to mind was "so... Ace's parents were ACTUALLY Akainu and Roger. That must've been a real fun night."
Still, its fairly weak and most of its evidence doesn't seem particularly substantial. Fun to speculate though. 
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On July 23 2013 20:43 Frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 18:23 gedatsu wrote:On July 21 2013 01:58 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 23:24 gedatsu wrote:On July 20 2013 14:02 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 14:01 Scaramanga wrote:On July 20 2013 13:35 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 12:20 Milkis wrote:On July 20 2013 08:43 rei wrote:On July 20 2013 05:49 Milkis wrote:
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There's difference between describing, and then over-rating their abilities when it comes to absolutes. "Nothing can escape", until someone in the manga finds a counter. "Cuts everything", until you find something it can't cut. People overestimate their ability, although the description of their ability may be true. like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart? This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too. One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here. Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard. Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard. On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss. Blackbeard isnt technically a Logia, Ace had no problem attacking and hurting Blackbeard Ace lost because Blackbeard was stronger, it wasnt some msitake from Ace Blackbeard simply overpowered him Yes he is yes his fruit is classified as a logia but its really closer to being a paramecia since he cant dodge attacks with it Being a logia doesn't give you the ability to dodge attacks, it gives you the ability to transform your body into your element. Blackbeard can do that. His element just happens to be unique in that it doesn't move out of the way when someone puts a fist through it. Saying he's closer to being a paramecia is kind of like saying that Bellamy is closer to being a logia. Because he can dodge attacks by turning into springs. but he cant really turn into his element he jsut creates darkness not turn into darkness other logias can completely transform there body to transportation and fighting but Blackbeard always keeps his normal body can just has darkness coating it its alot more like Magellans fruit then a Logia Yes, he can really turn into his element. But it's a bad idea for him to do so, since he explains that darkness pulls everything in. If he did turn into darkness, he would take more damage from attacks. That is why he doesn't do it. His fruit is a true logia and is unique in the fact that darkness sucks in everything which means he will be hurt. And the argument that he can't really turn into his element is obviously flawed if you read Chapter 441. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2548-15/one-piece/chapter-441.htmlLook how in that page he straight up turns into darkness for most of his body.
if you look at the next panel though he obviously didnt since you can tell he still has legs so its not "turned into darkenss" its "obscured by darkness"
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I like the Bonney theory, it makes sense
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But all logia users can transform part of their body. Don't think we have ever seen a logia user transform completely, so your argument that the legs are still there is not valid.
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On July 23 2013 23:12 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:43 Frost wrote:On July 23 2013 18:23 gedatsu wrote:On July 21 2013 01:58 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 23:24 gedatsu wrote:On July 20 2013 14:02 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 14:01 Scaramanga wrote:On July 20 2013 13:35 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 12:20 Milkis wrote:On July 20 2013 08:43 rei wrote:
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like how Mr.2 tells luffy that Megellan can't be touch until Mr. 3's wax came along? or like how Kamakiri told Wiper that Enel is god can't be beaten, but Wiper manage to stop enel's heart?
This blackbread darkness fruit's power is very specific, it's not a general claim about him being invincible or can't be touch, he literally said light can't escape. It's different from how he claim he is invincible after he gain the gura gura no mi's power. The only way for this claim to be proven wrong is to have Kizaru beam himself out of blackbread's pull while blackbread is attempting to suck Kizaru into his grasp. Remember how ace were still able to use his fruit ability while he's in mid air getting suck toward blackbread? Kizaru can try to beam himself away too.
One way i think kizaru can get away is to imbue the part of his body being hold with armament haki, that way he can block the yami yami no mi's power and activate his own to get away, but then blackbread can also do the same thing as soon as he got a hold of kizaru, like how rayleigh stop kizaru from beaming away. Whitebread shown that he can still use his gura gura no mi while in physical contact with blackbread, so i think Haki is the trick here. Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard. Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard. On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss. Blackbeard isnt technically a Logia, Ace had no problem attacking and hurting Blackbeard Ace lost because Blackbeard was stronger, it wasnt some msitake from Ace Blackbeard simply overpowered him Yes he is yes his fruit is classified as a logia but its really closer to being a paramecia since he cant dodge attacks with it Being a logia doesn't give you the ability to dodge attacks, it gives you the ability to transform your body into your element. Blackbeard can do that. His element just happens to be unique in that it doesn't move out of the way when someone puts a fist through it. Saying he's closer to being a paramecia is kind of like saying that Bellamy is closer to being a logia. Because he can dodge attacks by turning into springs. but he cant really turn into his element he jsut creates darkness not turn into darkness other logias can completely transform there body to transportation and fighting but Blackbeard always keeps his normal body can just has darkness coating it its alot more like Magellans fruit then a Logia Yes, he can really turn into his element. But it's a bad idea for him to do so, since he explains that darkness pulls everything in. If he did turn into darkness, he would take more damage from attacks. That is why he doesn't do it. His fruit is a true logia and is unique in the fact that darkness sucks in everything which means he will be hurt. And the argument that he can't really turn into his element is obviously flawed if you read Chapter 441. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2548-15/one-piece/chapter-441.htmlLook how in that page he straight up turns into darkness for most of his body. if you look at the next panel though he obviously didnt since you can tell he still has legs so its not "turned into darkenss" its "obscured by darkness"
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-47005-5/one-piece/chapter-574.html
Look here. Akainu has only his arm in lava so it must mean he covered it in lava and not actually turned into it right? Or are you going to say that Akainu's arm can be turned into lava, but it can't be the same for Blackbeard?
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On July 23 2013 23:45 Sindriss wrote:Don't think we have ever seen a logia user transform completely
Enel.
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I have always thought Bonney was Akainu's daughter or a close relative, but I don't think she is the daughter of Rouge. But yeah there is something going on, seeing how emotional Bonney was during the war.
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On July 24 2013 00:01 mavignon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 23:45 Sindriss wrote:Don't think we have ever seen a logia user transform completely Enel.
I dont remember Enel, are you talking about when he like moved through the arc as a conductor? but we have seen someone transform completely Kizaru does it all the time when he travels as light.
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On July 23 2013 23:55 Frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 23:12 Forikorder wrote:On July 23 2013 20:43 Frost wrote:On July 23 2013 18:23 gedatsu wrote:On July 21 2013 01:58 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 23:24 gedatsu wrote:On July 20 2013 14:02 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 14:01 Scaramanga wrote:On July 20 2013 13:35 Forikorder wrote:On July 20 2013 12:20 Milkis wrote:[quote] Ace has Haki, so it's not just Haki -- I think it'll be more akin to Luffy just magically countering Enel if anything (which is why i mention Kuma's fruit). "Not even light can escape" is just waiting until you find something that can I also think someone who is not a logia would be a better match vs Blackbeard. Screw Kizaru though, I want to see Fujitora vs Blackbeard. On a side note, can logia be imbued by Haki? IE: can Ace's flames be imbued with Haki? If not, then perhaps Ace's overreliance on his fruit instead of Haki is what caused his loss. Blackbeard isnt technically a Logia, Ace had no problem attacking and hurting Blackbeard Ace lost because Blackbeard was stronger, it wasnt some msitake from Ace Blackbeard simply overpowered him Yes he is yes his fruit is classified as a logia but its really closer to being a paramecia since he cant dodge attacks with it Being a logia doesn't give you the ability to dodge attacks, it gives you the ability to transform your body into your element. Blackbeard can do that. His element just happens to be unique in that it doesn't move out of the way when someone puts a fist through it. Saying he's closer to being a paramecia is kind of like saying that Bellamy is closer to being a logia. Because he can dodge attacks by turning into springs. but he cant really turn into his element he jsut creates darkness not turn into darkness other logias can completely transform there body to transportation and fighting but Blackbeard always keeps his normal body can just has darkness coating it its alot more like Magellans fruit then a Logia Yes, he can really turn into his element. But it's a bad idea for him to do so, since he explains that darkness pulls everything in. If he did turn into darkness, he would take more damage from attacks. That is why he doesn't do it. His fruit is a true logia and is unique in the fact that darkness sucks in everything which means he will be hurt. And the argument that he can't really turn into his element is obviously flawed if you read Chapter 441. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2548-15/one-piece/chapter-441.htmlLook how in that page he straight up turns into darkness for most of his body. if you look at the next panel though he obviously didnt since you can tell he still has legs so its not "turned into darkenss" its "obscured by darkness" http://www.mangapanda.com/103-47005-5/one-piece/chapter-574.htmlLook here. Akainu has only his arm in lava so it must mean he covered it in lava and not actually turned into it right? Or are you going to say that Akainu's arm can be turned into lava, but it can't be the same for Blackbeard?
all im saying is so far weve only seen Blackbeard use his darkness like Magellan uses his poison he coats his body in it but you can still see his body in one piece he wears his darkness like a cloak instead of becoming the darkness
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On July 24 2013 00:04 mavignon wrote:
I have always thought Bonney was Akainu's daughter or a close relative, but I don't think she is the daughter of Rouge. But yeah there is something going on, seeing how emotional Bonney was during the war.
That and the fact that Akainu somehow let Bonney go after he found her in chains. I think we saw her after the time skip already and she is still a pirate. This is very fishy, Akaninu needs a good reason to not arrest her.
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