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mangastream translation is up, its a bit clearer
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On February 20 2013 23:20 NPF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 21:10 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 21:07 RiZu wrote:
Damn I can't see Doffy's new bounty. I wondered how much is it. This made me read the chapter again. Kidd is 470 million? That's too damn high! EDIT: Completely forgot his bounty was 470 post time-skip but still... too damn high Then again Kid kills civilians, that's why his bounty was higher then Luffy initially, and he is strong.
I was kinda thinking about the whole point of bounties that high. Are there any bounty hunters in the world that could take a 300 million bounty let alone a 470 million one? Who picks up these bounties? Marines don't get paid, pirates don't get paid, maybe there are lots of strong people like Kuzan now who arnt on ether side but i don't know.
Zoro and his two friends are the only bounty hunters I can remember in the whole series, that's it. 470 million just seems like a stupid number because I think there is no way a legit non-marine/non-pirate can pick it up.
Dragon is the most wanted criminal in the world and people used to say his bounty was 500 million, then 1 billion. Now it's probably 5 billion. Its not that I don't think Kidd is worth 470 million (in comparison to the bounties of Luffy/Law) its just that I think Oda could have handled the 'inflation' of bounties differently.
Maybe I'm missing something
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From what I recall, Kid's bounty was increased so highly because he has shown that he's very willing to hurt civilians.
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On February 21 2013 01:26 Zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 23:20 NPF wrote:On February 20 2013 21:10 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 21:07 RiZu wrote:
Damn I can't see Doffy's new bounty. I wondered how much is it. This made me read the chapter again. Kidd is 470 million? That's too damn high! EDIT: Completely forgot his bounty was 470 post time-skip but still... too damn high Then again Kid kills civilians, that's why his bounty was higher then Luffy initially, and he is strong. I was kinda thinking about the whole point of bounties that high. Are there any bounty hunters in the world that could take a 300 million bounty let alone a 470 million one? Who picks up these bounties? Marines don't get paid, pirates don't get paid, maybe there are lots of strong people like Kuzan now who arnt on ether side but i don't know. Zoro and his two friends are the only bounty hunters I can remember in the whole series, that's it. 470 million just seems like a stupid number because I think there is no way a legit non-marine/non-pirate can pick it up. Dragon is the most wanted criminal in the world and people used to say his bounty was 500 million, then 1 billion. Now it's probably 5 billion. Its not that I don't think Kidd is worth 470 million (in comparison to the bounties of Luffy/Law) its just that I think Oda could have handled the 'inflation' of bounties differently. Maybe I'm missing something
Do you have a source on the bolded part?
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On February 21 2013 01:26 Zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 23:20 NPF wrote:On February 20 2013 21:10 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 21:07 RiZu wrote:
Damn I can't see Doffy's new bounty. I wondered how much is it. This made me read the chapter again. Kidd is 470 million? That's too damn high! EDIT: Completely forgot his bounty was 470 post time-skip but still... too damn high Then again Kid kills civilians, that's why his bounty was higher then Luffy initially, and he is strong. I was kinda thinking about the whole point of bounties that high. Are there any bounty hunters in the world that could take a 300 million bounty let alone a 470 million one? Who picks up these bounties? Marines don't get paid, pirates don't get paid, maybe there are lots of strong people like Kuzan now who arnt on ether side but i don't know. Zoro and his two friends are the only bounty hunters I can remember in the whole series, that's it. 470 million just seems like a stupid number because I think there is no way a legit non-marine/non-pirate can pick it up. Dragon is the most wanted criminal in the world and people used to say his bounty was 500 million, then 1 billion. Now it's probably 5 billion. Its not that I don't think Kidd is worth 470 million (in comparison to the bounties of Luffy/Law) its just that I think Oda could have handled the 'inflation' of bounties differently. Maybe I'm missing something
I think at this point, it's just another way to represent their power and influence. You're right, there probably aren't many individuals or groups of people who have the balls or ability to go after any one with more than 300+ mill bounty. But you might have strong pirates like Shichibukai who might be interested in getting a bounty if they feel they can take the person out without dying. Maybe there are new world individuals who can easily bag people below a certain amount.
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While the jokes with Momo and the fan service were nice I would have liked Zoro and Kinemon to resolve the issue of Ryuuma's Shuusui. As it stands it was merely swept aside by Robin/Momo and may never be addressed again with it being an issue that is implied to be resolved.
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On February 21 2013 01:40 Dreamer.T wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 01:26 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 23:20 NPF wrote:On February 20 2013 21:10 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 21:07 RiZu wrote:
Damn I can't see Doffy's new bounty. I wondered how much is it. This made me read the chapter again. Kidd is 470 million? That's too damn high! EDIT: Completely forgot his bounty was 470 post time-skip but still... too damn high Then again Kid kills civilians, that's why his bounty was higher then Luffy initially, and he is strong. I was kinda thinking about the whole point of bounties that high. Are there any bounty hunters in the world that could take a 300 million bounty let alone a 470 million one? Who picks up these bounties? Marines don't get paid, pirates don't get paid, maybe there are lots of strong people like Kuzan now who arnt on ether side but i don't know. Zoro and his two friends are the only bounty hunters I can remember in the whole series, that's it. 470 million just seems like a stupid number because I think there is no way a legit non-marine/non-pirate can pick it up. Dragon is the most wanted criminal in the world and people used to say his bounty was 500 million, then 1 billion. Now it's probably 5 billion. Its not that I don't think Kidd is worth 470 million (in comparison to the bounties of Luffy/Law) its just that I think Oda could have handled the 'inflation' of bounties differently. Maybe I'm missing something I think at this point, it's just another way to represent their power and influence. You're right, there probably aren't many individuals or groups of people who have the balls or ability to go after any one with more than 300+ mill bounty. But you might have strong pirates like Shichibukai who might be interested in getting a bounty if they feel they can take the person out without dying. Maybe there are new world individuals who can easily bag people below a certain amount.
Well, think about Pekoms. 330 million bounty, and just a "combatant" of Big Mom. OHKO'd (and theoretically could have followed up on and killed) Caribou, who was a super rookie with a 210 million bounty. Given Law's description about how if you went up against an Emperor, you probably wouldn't even see him, I think it's safe to say there are plenty of people who can "bag" multi-hundred million bounty pirates.
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On February 21 2013 01:39 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 01:26 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 23:20 NPF wrote:On February 20 2013 21:10 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 21:07 RiZu wrote:
Damn I can't see Doffy's new bounty. I wondered how much is it. This made me read the chapter again. Kidd is 470 million? That's too damn high! EDIT: Completely forgot his bounty was 470 post time-skip but still... too damn high Then again Kid kills civilians, that's why his bounty was higher then Luffy initially, and he is strong. I was kinda thinking about the whole point of bounties that high. Are there any bounty hunters in the world that could take a 300 million bounty let alone a 470 million one? Who picks up these bounties? Marines don't get paid, pirates don't get paid, maybe there are lots of strong people like Kuzan now who arnt on ether side but i don't know. Zoro and his two friends are the only bounty hunters I can remember in the whole series, that's it. 470 million just seems like a stupid number because I think there is no way a legit non-marine/non-pirate can pick it up. Dragon is the most wanted criminal in the world and people used to say his bounty was 500 million, then 1 billion. Now it's probably 5 billion. Its not that I don't think Kidd is worth 470 million (in comparison to the bounties of Luffy/Law) its just that I think Oda could have handled the 'inflation' of bounties differently. Maybe I'm missing something Do you have a source on the bolded part?
From the One Piece wiki:
Monkey D. Dragon is the father of Monkey D. Luffy and the son of Monkey D. Garp. He is the infamous Revolutionary leader who has been attempting to overthrow the World Government. He is the World Government's greatest enemy and is the most dangerous and most wanted man in the world.
Robin speaks about it in Chapter 432
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Momonosuke made this chapter
I love the little details - Law's Bear is shown in his wanted poster ala Usopp
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On February 21 2013 00:36 SpadeAce wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 00:28 Scaramanga wrote:On February 20 2013 23:31 Paperplane wrote:
I think what doflamingo's trying to say is he thinks that kuzan isn't a rebel standing up to the marines but more like a homeless guy who simply has nowhere else to go. He didn't want to leave the marines but got kicked out or couldn't come back because of his pride after losing the duel etc. What I gathered from it was that Kuzan has something he's striving for, rather than being an aimless man after leaving the marines. Thats what his speech was getting at, he sees situations differently now he's not a marine, different point of view creates motivation towards new goals. Yes, I felt the same after reading it, doflamingo's little "speech" was about the fact you could see the difference between an aimless man and a determined one. I guess he meant that Kuzan isn't just wandering around without goal. Atleast thats how I interpreted that conversation. Anyway, it was quite a funny chapter, considering it's still just short after the Punk Hazard arc and this is more of an in-between chapter, it was quite a good one building alot of hype for the next one and probaly Doflamingo as the next big opponent. Gonna be epic I'm sure!
Definitely this with the chinese translation.
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On February 21 2013 01:52 Zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 01:39 flamewheel wrote:On February 21 2013 01:26 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 23:20 NPF wrote:On February 20 2013 21:10 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 21:07 RiZu wrote:
Damn I can't see Doffy's new bounty. I wondered how much is it. This made me read the chapter again. Kidd is 470 million? That's too damn high! EDIT: Completely forgot his bounty was 470 post time-skip but still... too damn high Then again Kid kills civilians, that's why his bounty was higher then Luffy initially, and he is strong. I was kinda thinking about the whole point of bounties that high. Are there any bounty hunters in the world that could take a 300 million bounty let alone a 470 million one? Who picks up these bounties? Marines don't get paid, pirates don't get paid, maybe there are lots of strong people like Kuzan now who arnt on ether side but i don't know. Zoro and his two friends are the only bounty hunters I can remember in the whole series, that's it. 470 million just seems like a stupid number because I think there is no way a legit non-marine/non-pirate can pick it up. Dragon is the most wanted criminal in the world and people used to say his bounty was 500 million, then 1 billion. Now it's probably 5 billion. Its not that I don't think Kidd is worth 470 million (in comparison to the bounties of Luffy/Law) its just that I think Oda could have handled the 'inflation' of bounties differently. Maybe I'm missing something Do you have a source on the bolded part? From the One Piece wiki: Show nested quote +Monkey D. Dragon is the father of Monkey D. Luffy and the son of Monkey D. Garp. He is the infamous Revolutionary leader who has been attempting to overthrow the World Government. He is the World Government's greatest enemy and is the most dangerous and most wanted man in the world. Robin speaks about it in Chapter 432
I know who Dragon is. I reread 432 at least three times in the past week. After skimming the Mangahere scanlation again just now, nowhere in the chapter does it mention Dragon's bounty.
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On February 21 2013 01:56 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 01:52 Zeo wrote:On February 21 2013 01:39 flamewheel wrote:On February 21 2013 01:26 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 23:20 NPF wrote:On February 20 2013 21:10 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 21:07 RiZu wrote:
Damn I can't see Doffy's new bounty. I wondered how much is it. This made me read the chapter again. Kidd is 470 million? That's too damn high! EDIT: Completely forgot his bounty was 470 post time-skip but still... too damn high Then again Kid kills civilians, that's why his bounty was higher then Luffy initially, and he is strong. I was kinda thinking about the whole point of bounties that high. Are there any bounty hunters in the world that could take a 300 million bounty let alone a 470 million one? Who picks up these bounties? Marines don't get paid, pirates don't get paid, maybe there are lots of strong people like Kuzan now who arnt on ether side but i don't know. Zoro and his two friends are the only bounty hunters I can remember in the whole series, that's it. 470 million just seems like a stupid number because I think there is no way a legit non-marine/non-pirate can pick it up. Dragon is the most wanted criminal in the world and people used to say his bounty was 500 million, then 1 billion. Now it's probably 5 billion. Its not that I don't think Kidd is worth 470 million (in comparison to the bounties of Luffy/Law) its just that I think Oda could have handled the 'inflation' of bounties differently. Maybe I'm missing something Do you have a source on the bolded part? From the One Piece wiki: Monkey D. Dragon is the father of Monkey D. Luffy and the son of Monkey D. Garp. He is the infamous Revolutionary leader who has been attempting to overthrow the World Government. He is the World Government's greatest enemy and is the most dangerous and most wanted man in the world. Robin speaks about it in Chapter 432 I know who Dragon is. I reread 432 at least three times in the past week. After skimming the Mangahere scanlation again just now, nowhere in the chapter does it mention Dragon's bounty.
Oh, I wasn't talking about his bounty (the number), I was just saying how whatever his bounty is, it would be the highest in the world. And how over the past decade it went from 400-500 million being the 'highest imaginable' to 5 billion
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On February 21 2013 02:00 Zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 01:56 flamewheel wrote:On February 21 2013 01:52 Zeo wrote:On February 21 2013 01:39 flamewheel wrote:On February 21 2013 01:26 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 23:20 NPF wrote:On February 20 2013 21:10 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 21:07 RiZu wrote:
Damn I can't see Doffy's new bounty. I wondered how much is it. This made me read the chapter again. Kidd is 470 million? That's too damn high! EDIT: Completely forgot his bounty was 470 post time-skip but still... too damn high Then again Kid kills civilians, that's why his bounty was higher then Luffy initially, and he is strong. I was kinda thinking about the whole point of bounties that high. Are there any bounty hunters in the world that could take a 300 million bounty let alone a 470 million one? Who picks up these bounties? Marines don't get paid, pirates don't get paid, maybe there are lots of strong people like Kuzan now who arnt on ether side but i don't know. Zoro and his two friends are the only bounty hunters I can remember in the whole series, that's it. 470 million just seems like a stupid number because I think there is no way a legit non-marine/non-pirate can pick it up. Dragon is the most wanted criminal in the world and people used to say his bounty was 500 million, then 1 billion. Now it's probably 5 billion. Its not that I don't think Kidd is worth 470 million (in comparison to the bounties of Luffy/Law) its just that I think Oda could have handled the 'inflation' of bounties differently. Maybe I'm missing something Do you have a source on the bolded part? From the One Piece wiki: Monkey D. Dragon is the father of Monkey D. Luffy and the son of Monkey D. Garp. He is the infamous Revolutionary leader who has been attempting to overthrow the World Government. He is the World Government's greatest enemy and is the most dangerous and most wanted man in the world. Robin speaks about it in Chapter 432 I know who Dragon is. I reread 432 at least three times in the past week. After skimming the Mangahere scanlation again just now, nowhere in the chapter does it mention Dragon's bounty. Oh, I wasn't talking about his bounty (the number), I was just saying how whatever his bounty is, it would be the highest in the world. And how over the past decade it went from 400-500 million being the 'highest imaginable' to 5 billion
I suppose, but I ask again: where are you getting these numbers from? I've read the SBSes as well, and I don't ever recall seeing "5 billion" flashed around anywhere. Nor did I see anything about how in the past decade the highest was 400-500 million. Of course, it's logical to assume that bounty averages for high-powered pirates are going up due to the power influx ("the worst generation" and all that) but where are you pulling these numbers from?
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On February 21 2013 02:02 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 02:00 Zeo wrote:On February 21 2013 01:56 flamewheel wrote:On February 21 2013 01:52 Zeo wrote:On February 21 2013 01:39 flamewheel wrote:On February 21 2013 01:26 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 23:20 NPF wrote:On February 20 2013 21:10 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 21:07 RiZu wrote:
Damn I can't see Doffy's new bounty. I wondered how much is it. This made me read the chapter again. Kidd is 470 million? That's too damn high! EDIT: Completely forgot his bounty was 470 post time-skip but still... too damn high Then again Kid kills civilians, that's why his bounty was higher then Luffy initially, and he is strong. I was kinda thinking about the whole point of bounties that high. Are there any bounty hunters in the world that could take a 300 million bounty let alone a 470 million one? Who picks up these bounties? Marines don't get paid, pirates don't get paid, maybe there are lots of strong people like Kuzan now who arnt on ether side but i don't know. Zoro and his two friends are the only bounty hunters I can remember in the whole series, that's it. 470 million just seems like a stupid number because I think there is no way a legit non-marine/non-pirate can pick it up. Dragon is the most wanted criminal in the world and people used to say his bounty was 500 million, then 1 billion. Now it's probably 5 billion. Its not that I don't think Kidd is worth 470 million (in comparison to the bounties of Luffy/Law) its just that I think Oda could have handled the 'inflation' of bounties differently. Maybe I'm missing something Do you have a source on the bolded part? From the One Piece wiki: Monkey D. Dragon is the father of Monkey D. Luffy and the son of Monkey D. Garp. He is the infamous Revolutionary leader who has been attempting to overthrow the World Government. He is the World Government's greatest enemy and is the most dangerous and most wanted man in the world. Robin speaks about it in Chapter 432 I know who Dragon is. I reread 432 at least three times in the past week. After skimming the Mangahere scanlation again just now, nowhere in the chapter does it mention Dragon's bounty. Oh, I wasn't talking about his bounty (the number), I was just saying how whatever his bounty is, it would be the highest in the world. And how over the past decade it went from 400-500 million being the 'highest imaginable' to 5 billion I suppose, but I ask again: where are you getting these numbers from? I've read the SBSes as well, and I don't ever recall seeing "5 billion" flashed around anywhere. Nor did I see anything about how in the past decade the highest was 400-500 million. Of course, it's logical to assume that bounty averages for high-powered pirates are going up due to the power influx ("the worst generation" and all that) but where are you pulling these numbers from?
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was talking about people in forums talking about bounties. Nothing official, just the general public's perception about bounties and 'power tiers' over time.
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This chapter WTFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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bounty doesn't mean strength, far from it. Remember how Caesar raped luffy and everybody in their first encounter? If he were to cut off their heads instead of capturing them that would have been the end of one piece, same with crocodile when luffy first fought him. Fruit abilities can't be measure with the dragonballz power level. stop trying to equate bounty with how strong someone is. Another example would be no amount of haki can deal with a sniper that can shoot you 10miles away like Van Augur, he could have shot akainu full of seastone bullets and killed him on the spot during the ship exchange scene if not for blackbread chickening it out and ran for it.
about the chapter, we still don't know what exactly doflamingo's ability is yet.
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On February 21 2013 01:26 Zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 23:20 NPF wrote:On February 20 2013 21:10 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 21:07 RiZu wrote:
Damn I can't see Doffy's new bounty. I wondered how much is it. This made me read the chapter again. Kidd is 470 million? That's too damn high! EDIT: Completely forgot his bounty was 470 post time-skip but still... too damn high Then again Kid kills civilians, that's why his bounty was higher then Luffy initially, and he is strong. I was kinda thinking about the whole point of bounties that high. Are there any bounty hunters in the world that could take a 300 million bounty let alone a 470 million one? Who picks up these bounties? Marines don't get paid, pirates don't get paid, maybe there are lots of strong people like Kuzan now who arnt on ether side but i don't know. Zoro and his two friends are the only bounty hunters I can remember in the whole series, that's it. 470 million just seems like a stupid number because I think there is no way a legit non-marine/non-pirate can pick it up. Dragon is the most wanted criminal in the world and people used to say his bounty was 500 million, then 1 billion. Now it's probably 5 billion. Its not that I don't think Kidd is worth 470 million (in comparison to the bounties of Luffy/Law) its just that I think Oda could have handled the 'inflation' of bounties differently. Maybe I'm missing something
You got a point regarding the bounty hunters. I guess some of the shichibukai would be capable of taking down someone like Kid - maybe Mihawk. Other than that i doubt that there are more than a few people in the One Piece university that has not been introduced yet that are not a part of a Yonko crew, that would be able to take down someone as Kid or Luffy. On the other hand we have yet to see which kind of people that are roaming around in the New World
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On February 21 2013 02:28 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 01:26 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 23:20 NPF wrote:On February 20 2013 21:10 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 21:07 RiZu wrote:
Damn I can't see Doffy's new bounty. I wondered how much is it. This made me read the chapter again. Kidd is 470 million? That's too damn high! EDIT: Completely forgot his bounty was 470 post time-skip but still... too damn high Then again Kid kills civilians, that's why his bounty was higher then Luffy initially, and he is strong. I was kinda thinking about the whole point of bounties that high. Are there any bounty hunters in the world that could take a 300 million bounty let alone a 470 million one? Who picks up these bounties? Marines don't get paid, pirates don't get paid, maybe there are lots of strong people like Kuzan now who arnt on ether side but i don't know. Zoro and his two friends are the only bounty hunters I can remember in the whole series, that's it. 470 million just seems like a stupid number because I think there is no way a legit non-marine/non-pirate can pick it up. Dragon is the most wanted criminal in the world and people used to say his bounty was 500 million, then 1 billion. Now it's probably 5 billion. Its not that I don't think Kidd is worth 470 million (in comparison to the bounties of Luffy/Law) its just that I think Oda could have handled the 'inflation' of bounties differently. Maybe I'm missing something You got a point regarding the bounty hunters. I guess some of the shichibukai would be capable of taking down someone like Kid - maybe Mihawk. Other than that i doubt that there are more than a few people in the One Piece university that has not been introduced yet that are not a part of a Yonko crew, that would be able to take down someone as Kid or Luffy. On the other hand we have yet to see which kind of people that are roaming around in the New World
On the other hand, you get Blackbeard chasing Luffy explicitly for his "head worth 100 million" so there has to be some way for pirates to collect the bounties on other pirates. I think we just don't see people die or get captured enough to really make collecting on the bounties an important part of the story. It's really there just to help determine what the WG thinks the threat level of the person is and therefore by extension an estimate of their power level.
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On February 21 2013 02:46 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 02:28 Prog455 wrote:On February 21 2013 01:26 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 23:20 NPF wrote:On February 20 2013 21:10 Zeo wrote:On February 20 2013 21:07 RiZu wrote:
Damn I can't see Doffy's new bounty. I wondered how much is it. This made me read the chapter again. Kidd is 470 million? That's too damn high! EDIT: Completely forgot his bounty was 470 post time-skip but still... too damn high Then again Kid kills civilians, that's why his bounty was higher then Luffy initially, and he is strong. I was kinda thinking about the whole point of bounties that high. Are there any bounty hunters in the world that could take a 300 million bounty let alone a 470 million one? Who picks up these bounties? Marines don't get paid, pirates don't get paid, maybe there are lots of strong people like Kuzan now who arnt on ether side but i don't know. Zoro and his two friends are the only bounty hunters I can remember in the whole series, that's it. 470 million just seems like a stupid number because I think there is no way a legit non-marine/non-pirate can pick it up. Dragon is the most wanted criminal in the world and people used to say his bounty was 500 million, then 1 billion. Now it's probably 5 billion. Its not that I don't think Kidd is worth 470 million (in comparison to the bounties of Luffy/Law) its just that I think Oda could have handled the 'inflation' of bounties differently. Maybe I'm missing something You got a point regarding the bounty hunters. I guess some of the shichibukai would be capable of taking down someone like Kid - maybe Mihawk. Other than that i doubt that there are more than a few people in the One Piece university that has not been introduced yet that are not a part of a Yonko crew, that would be able to take down someone as Kid or Luffy. On the other hand we have yet to see which kind of people that are roaming around in the New World On the other hand, you get Blackbeard chasing Luffy explicitly for his "head worth 100 million" so there has to be some way for pirates to collect the bounties on other pirates. I think we just don't see people die or get captured enough to really make collecting on the bounties an important part of the story. It's really there just to help determine what the WG thinks the threat level of the person is and therefore by extension an estimate of their power level.
This isn't a good example. Blackbeard was trying to join the Shichibukai, and was chasing Luffy for a way to gain infamy / prove himself by taking down somebody so notable.
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