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On February 15 2013 17:45 Mataza wrote:
Rei, your reasoning is entirely backwards.
A huge animal not bringing down a mountain? So the ground where mammoths lived must be extra resistant too, or it would be a giant hole. After all there were hundreds of thousands of really big and heavy animals stomping on the ground.
Where do the ancient weapons come from? I am pretty sure they were not just lying around for everyone to just grab and destroy the world with. If I remember correctly the Ancient Kingdom was credited as the *creators* of at least 1 weapon.
a good argument does not make a strawman so you can easily beat down on a strawman, i never said a whale brings down a mountain, all i said it put a dent, like chip a little hole size of the whale's head. and the point i'm making is the red line is not naturally formed. someone put it there, why only pick a line of what i said out of context and ignore the rest. The ship they came down from the moon is lying around and hidden away.
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On February 15 2013 22:55 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 17:45 Mataza wrote:
Rei, your reasoning is entirely backwards.
A huge animal not bringing down a mountain? So the ground where mammoths lived must be extra resistant too, or it would be a giant hole. After all there were hundreds of thousands of really big and heavy animals stomping on the ground.
Where do the ancient weapons come from? I am pretty sure they were not just lying around for everyone to just grab and destroy the world with. If I remember correctly the Ancient Kingdom was credited as the *creators* of at least 1 weapon. a good argument does not make a strawman so you can easily beat down on a strawman, i never said a whale brings down a mountain, all i said it put a dent, like chip a little hole size of the whale's head. and the point i'm making is the red line is not naturally formed. someone put it there, why only pick a line of what i said out of context and ignore the rest. The ship they came down from the moon is lying around and hidden away.
the red line was naturally formed
dont try to use real world logic on the world of one piece
also Sanji talks about moving from one sea to the other, so crossing the grand/redline isnt impossible in fact crossing the red line wouldnt hold any dangers all youd need is a lift to pull people up and a road for them to travel
if the AK had the technology to destroy reversal mountain why didnt they just invent a freaking plane instead?
if the AK really built weapons of mass destruction jsut to blow up a mountain then it completely undermines the whole "the WG are evil" since that means there the good guys who had no choice but to stop the idiotic and reckless AK who had no thought for there action
also it makes much more sense that Raftel is in all-blue since reaching Raftel would mean the completion of all there dreams at that point
also Luffy woldnt even want to do it he only wants to become Pirate King because he thinks that would mean hes the most free and since the other 4 seas are so boring hes 90% likely to spend all his time in the grand line
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Ok, I didn't read all the theory, just the beggining of it.
Is it worth to read it? Even if I don't wanna ruin all the future twists?
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On February 16 2013 02:47 antilyon wrote:
Ok, I didn't read all the theory, just the beggining of it.
Is it worth to read it? Even if I don't wanna ruin all the future twists?
imo its not worth the read i dont think it makes sense at all
and no wont ruin future twists its pure speculation
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On February 16 2013 02:47 antilyon wrote:
Ok, I didn't read all the theory, just the beggining of it.
Is it worth to read it? Even if I don't wanna ruin all the future twists?
Makes almost 100% sense to me. Just read it and figure it out for yourself.
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On February 16 2013 02:49 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:47 antilyon wrote:
Ok, I didn't read all the theory, just the beggining of it.
Is it worth to read it? Even if I don't wanna ruin all the future twists? imo its not worth the read i dont think it makes sense at all and no wont ruin future twists its pure speculation
It actually looks like quite a plausible scenario, and hey forik, you of all people are not the one to talk. esp the part with luffy and fishman island intrigued me. Wont be sad if the ending of One Piece is something entirely different tho, on the contrary.
If, what described in the theory is actually true then you could consider it as a spoiler I guess. But I'll still enjoy OP just as much as I did before. My mind will still be semi-blown if this was Odas plan all along, and someone just managed to guess/figure out parts of it.
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It's Oda, you just can't figure out Oda's plans haha. He's way too genius for that ;3
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On February 16 2013 06:18 []Phase[] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 02:49 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:47 antilyon wrote:
Ok, I didn't read all the theory, just the beggining of it.
Is it worth to read it? Even if I don't wanna ruin all the future twists? imo its not worth the read i dont think it makes sense at all and no wont ruin future twists its pure speculation It actually looks like quite a plausible scenario, and hey forik, you of all people are not the one to talk. esp the part with luffy and fishman island intrigued me. Wont be sad if the ending of One Piece is something entirely different tho, on the contrary. If, what described in the theory is actually true then you could consider it as a spoiler I guess. But I'll still enjoy OP just as much as I did before. My mind will still be semi-blown if this was Odas plan all along, and someone just managed to guess/figure out parts of it.
it doesnt make sense for the following reasons
+ Show Spoiler +1. why the fuck would anyone actually consider blowing up reversal mountain a way to solve a problem, would be 10 000 times easier to jsut build a bridge over reversal mountain then just blow it the fuck up thats just a ridiculous idea 2. why would Luffy even want to grab one of the ancient weapons and blow up reversal mountain? 3. the story is trying to set up the WG as evil (jsut look at the Tenryuubito) and the force in the void century that destroyed the AK as evil, therefore the AK has to be set up as good in order for them to be destroyed as an evil power, but if the WG stopped there ridiculous construction of even more ridiculous weapons then there good 4. if they ahve the power of Poseidon in such a way they can just ask them to create a "sea king free" lane that allows people to travel through the calm line safely 5. destroying reversal mountain doesnt change the grand line at all, it still has logic defying islands that cause logic defying magnetic forces and logic defying weather 6. destroying Reversal mountain does not create all-blue if that were true then the area around the lighthouse would already be all-blue since fish would get sucked up through reversal mountain from each of the blues and wind up there, all blue cannot be artifically created so easily all-blue would be a stretch of ocean that has the perfect living conditions for any type of fish (most likely with Raftel in it) 7. if Roger wanted to he could have already destroyed Reversal mountain he could ahve concinced Whitebeard to quake it apart 8. theres no reason to destroy fishman island to pull this off 9. his whole theory seems to be based off of However they had an issue. As we know, the planet of OP contains of big four seas, east, west, north, and south, each were separated by the Red Line and the Grand Line. The AK saw Red Line and Grand Line as a big obstacle because they have been been preventing people from traveling from one sea to another, thus preventing the AK from reaching its full prosperity as well. however sanji moved from North Blue to East Blue http://www.mangareader.net/103-2334-7/one-piece/chapter-227.html so moving from north blue to east blue is evidently safe enough that his parents were willing to being a small child along 10. hes also completely got his facts wrong, he seems to think that Reversal mountain is somehow causing the eratic weather in the grand line but thats caused by the islands extreme weather, and where the extreme weather meets (like extreme summer meets extreme winter) you get even more extreme weather conditions 11. then he has the idea that Poseidon would create a "police force" of sea kings to prevent other sea kings from going wild, but they always could a sea king could easily swim to any part of the globe at any time it wants, theres nothing stopping it because the red line only splits the world in two and theres the huge fucking hole in the red line they can easily swim throught 12. Luffy wouldnt destroy fishman island because A) he lvoes the place and B) theres literally no reason to
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On February 16 2013 13:25 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 06:18 []Phase[] wrote:On February 16 2013 02:49 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:47 antilyon wrote:
Ok, I didn't read all the theory, just the beggining of it.
Is it worth to read it? Even if I don't wanna ruin all the future twists? imo its not worth the read i dont think it makes sense at all and no wont ruin future twists its pure speculation It actually looks like quite a plausible scenario, and hey forik, you of all people are not the one to talk. esp the part with luffy and fishman island intrigued me. Wont be sad if the ending of One Piece is something entirely different tho, on the contrary. If, what described in the theory is actually true then you could consider it as a spoiler I guess. But I'll still enjoy OP just as much as I did before. My mind will still be semi-blown if this was Odas plan all along, and someone just managed to guess/figure out parts of it. it doesnt make sense for the following reasons + Show Spoiler +1. why the fuck would anyone actually consider blowing up reversal mountain a way to solve a problem, would be 10 000 times easier to jsut build a bridge over reversal mountain then just blow it the fuck up thats just a ridiculous idea 2. why would Luffy even want to grab one of the ancient weapons and blow up reversal mountain? 3. the story is trying to set up the WG as evil (jsut look at the Tenryuubito) and the force in the void century that destroyed the AK as evil, therefore the AK has to be set up as good in order for them to be destroyed as an evil power, but if the WG stopped there ridiculous construction of even more ridiculous weapons then there good 4. if they ahve the power of Poseidon in such a way they can just ask them to create a "sea king free" lane that allows people to travel through the calm line safely 5. destroying reversal mountain doesnt change the grand line at all, it still has logic defying islands that cause logic defying magnetic forces and logic defying weather 6. destroying Reversal mountain does not create all-blue if that were true then the area around the lighthouse would already be all-blue since fish would get sucked up through reversal mountain from each of the blues and wind up there, all blue cannot be artifically created so easily all-blue would be a stretch of ocean that has the perfect living conditions for any type of fish (most likely with Raftel in it) 7. if Roger wanted to he could have already destroyed Reversal mountain he could ahve concinced Whitebeard to quake it apart 8. theres no reason to destroy fishman island to pull this off 9. his whole theory seems to be based off of However they had an issue. As we know, the planet of OP contains of big four seas, east, west, north, and south, each were separated by the Red Line and the Grand Line. The AK saw Red Line and Grand Line as a big obstacle because they have been been preventing people from traveling from one sea to another, thus preventing the AK from reaching its full prosperity as well. however sanji moved from North Blue to East Blue http://www.mangareader.net/103-2334-7/one-piece/chapter-227.html so moving from north blue to east blue is evidently safe enough that his parents were willing to being a small child along 10. hes also completely got his facts wrong, he seems to think that Reversal mountain is somehow causing the eratic weather in the grand line but thats caused by the islands extreme weather, and where the extreme weather meets (like extreme summer meets extreme winter) you get even more extreme weather conditions 11. then he has the idea that Poseidon would create a "police force" of sea kings to prevent other sea kings from going wild, but they always could a sea king could easily swim to any part of the globe at any time it wants, theres nothing stopping it because the red line only splits the world in two and theres the huge fucking hole in the red line they can easily swim throught 12. Luffy wouldnt destroy fishman island because A) he lvoes the place and B) theres literally no reason to
In short. I agree. But on 12 Luffy MAY destroy Fishman Island because of the magical mystical prediction of Madam Shirley. But maybe it means "destroy" in a metaphorical sense or relates to something completely unconnected to the theory.
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Getting told of by Forikorder: Priceless
As for the prediction of madam Shirley that FI gets destroyed, I think it will be related to Mariejoa and that tree. Some war-like climax similar to the Marineford war, just centered around Mariejoy this time. Tree gets destroyed in the process, that bubble stuff from the tree will not be produced anymore, but Fishman Island needs constant resupply of that bubble material.
Still more likely than blowing up something the size of Mt. Everest.
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Getting told of by Forikorder: Priceless
As for the prediction of madam Shirley that FI gets destroyed, I think it will be related to Mariejoa and that tree. Some war-like climax similar to the Marineford war, just centered around Mariejoy this time. Tree gets destroyed in the process, that bubble stuff from the tree will not be produced anymore, but Fishman Island needs constant resupply of that bubble material.
Still more likely than blowing up something the size of Mt. Everest.
fishman sland isnt located directly beneath shabondy archipalegalo there bubbles are not made because of the spcial resin of those trees but just made beuase there underwater
In short. I agree. But on 12 Luffy MAY destroy Fishman Island because of the magical mystical prediction of Madam Shirley. But maybe it means "destroy" in a metaphorical sense or relates to something completely unconnected to the theory.
ya its possible that Luffy does somehow destroy fishman island i dont think Oda would make the prophecy as a complete red herring
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The theory has a few holes. Luffy thinks that the Pirate King is the one who has the most freedom on the sea by destroying Reverse Mountain. If he makes it so everyone has freedom on across all seas then the title of Pirate King is kind of useless because everyone has the same freedom as him. Gol D Roger already was said to have the One Piece treasure, meaning he didn't have to accomplish anything else(such as uniting the Seas and all the other stuff posted in the theory) to get One Piece, which also means Luffy does not have to do any of that stuff to get One Piece, just reach the island (Raftel) as Roger stated. Another thing the theory says is that Roger didn't have enough time to put the plan into action, but Roger spend a year on an Island with Portgas D Rouge, that is a year he could have spent doing the so called plan in the theory. All this leads me to believe what Roger originally said, that One Piece really is a treasure that he left on Raftel and nothing more needs to be done than to reach Raftel and find it in order to obtain it.
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On February 16 2013 17:57 valheru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 13:25 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 06:18 []Phase[] wrote:On February 16 2013 02:49 Forikorder wrote:On February 16 2013 02:47 antilyon wrote:
Ok, I didn't read all the theory, just the beggining of it.
Is it worth to read it? Even if I don't wanna ruin all the future twists? imo its not worth the read i dont think it makes sense at all and no wont ruin future twists its pure speculation It actually looks like quite a plausible scenario, and hey forik, you of all people are not the one to talk. esp the part with luffy and fishman island intrigued me. Wont be sad if the ending of One Piece is something entirely different tho, on the contrary. If, what described in the theory is actually true then you could consider it as a spoiler I guess. But I'll still enjoy OP just as much as I did before. My mind will still be semi-blown if this was Odas plan all along, and someone just managed to guess/figure out parts of it. it doesnt make sense for the following reasons + Show Spoiler +1. why the fuck would anyone actually consider blowing up reversal mountain a way to solve a problem, would be 10 000 times easier to jsut build a bridge over reversal mountain then just blow it the fuck up thats just a ridiculous idea 2. why would Luffy even want to grab one of the ancient weapons and blow up reversal mountain? 3. the story is trying to set up the WG as evil (jsut look at the Tenryuubito) and the force in the void century that destroyed the AK as evil, therefore the AK has to be set up as good in order for them to be destroyed as an evil power, but if the WG stopped there ridiculous construction of even more ridiculous weapons then there good 4. if they ahve the power of Poseidon in such a way they can just ask them to create a "sea king free" lane that allows people to travel through the calm line safely 5. destroying reversal mountain doesnt change the grand line at all, it still has logic defying islands that cause logic defying magnetic forces and logic defying weather 6. destroying Reversal mountain does not create all-blue if that were true then the area around the lighthouse would already be all-blue since fish would get sucked up through reversal mountain from each of the blues and wind up there, all blue cannot be artifically created so easily all-blue would be a stretch of ocean that has the perfect living conditions for any type of fish (most likely with Raftel in it) 7. if Roger wanted to he could have already destroyed Reversal mountain he could ahve concinced Whitebeard to quake it apart 8. theres no reason to destroy fishman island to pull this off 9. his whole theory seems to be based off of However they had an issue. As we know, the planet of OP contains of big four seas, east, west, north, and south, each were separated by the Red Line and the Grand Line. The AK saw Red Line and Grand Line as a big obstacle because they have been been preventing people from traveling from one sea to another, thus preventing the AK from reaching its full prosperity as well. however sanji moved from North Blue to East Blue http://www.mangareader.net/103-2334-7/one-piece/chapter-227.html so moving from north blue to east blue is evidently safe enough that his parents were willing to being a small child along 10. hes also completely got his facts wrong, he seems to think that Reversal mountain is somehow causing the eratic weather in the grand line but thats caused by the islands extreme weather, and where the extreme weather meets (like extreme summer meets extreme winter) you get even more extreme weather conditions 11. then he has the idea that Poseidon would create a "police force" of sea kings to prevent other sea kings from going wild, but they always could a sea king could easily swim to any part of the globe at any time it wants, theres nothing stopping it because the red line only splits the world in two and theres the huge fucking hole in the red line they can easily swim throught 12. Luffy wouldnt destroy fishman island because A) he lvoes the place and B) theres literally no reason to In short. I agree. But on 12 Luffy MAY destroy Fishman Island because of the magical mystical prediction of Madam Shirley. But maybe it means "destroy" in a metaphorical sense or relates to something completely unconnected to the theory.
I get the feeling he'll destroy it, but when he destroys it it'll be empty since the fishmen will live among other people rather than in the sea. Sort of to show that they're considered equals, and that the island is a remnant of the past that's no longer needed.
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lol Forikorder finally got banned, what did he do?
oh wait found it,
+ Show Spoiler +Forikorder was just temp banned for 1 week by MoonBear.
That account was created on 2011-08-17 22:37:16 and had 4671 posts.
Reason: Last month I warned you for poor posting about Manga. I December Plexa also banned you for the same offence. You're not really learning are you?
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Kuzan what a badass...
Also Momo with Robin+Nami?? That alone makes this chapter 10/10
Seems like dofla is fucked
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Omg, AWESOME chapter.
+ Show Spoiler +Kuzan like a baws. Awesome that thing he was riding on turns out to just be an adorable penguin with a back pack. Also, Kuzan acknowledging Dofla as a powerful pirate with great influence is good to hear.
Oh and the part where Sanji and Kinnemon are mad at night xD. Too good. Speaking of that, that kid is too lucky. Too lucky T_T.
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Damn I can't see Doffy's new bounty. I wondered how much is it.
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