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On October 04 2017 11:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 10:45 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 09:16 Mensol wrote:
"he had time" cant argue with flawless logic.
you should just rewatch episode 185, Ark Maxims structure is much greater than you think. its not something that an ordinary person (what i meant here is that not an extraordinary shipwright, we all know Enel is a God) would draw its plans in his "free time". you are aware that we are not talking about some casual weapons here right? its a weapon that capable of destroying entire island like sabaody. why are you acting like shipwrite is some magic bloodline magic? he spent years working on creating a new invention and managed to pull it off plus ignoring whatever craftsmen were in skypeia that he could recruit to assist his logic is this: if i told you to build a house from scratch i could wait 100 years and it wont get built, or it will but it will be so bad a pig could huff and puff at it and the building would blow over. time doesnt automatically give you skills to do something
so how does someone obtain skills other then using time?
and pretty sure if i had 100 years to practice i could build a house, people build houses with alot less then 100 years of hand on experience
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I definitely think that Enel's Ark and his Devil Fruit go together to form an ancient weapon.
Just like Shirahoshi and Noah go together to form another weapon.
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On October 04 2017 12:00 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 11:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:On October 04 2017 10:45 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 09:16 Mensol wrote:
"he had time" cant argue with flawless logic.
you should just rewatch episode 185, Ark Maxims structure is much greater than you think. its not something that an ordinary person (what i meant here is that not an extraordinary shipwright, we all know Enel is a God) would draw its plans in his "free time". you are aware that we are not talking about some casual weapons here right? its a weapon that capable of destroying entire island like sabaody. why are you acting like shipwrite is some magic bloodline magic? he spent years working on creating a new invention and managed to pull it off plus ignoring whatever craftsmen were in skypeia that he could recruit to assist his logic is this: if i told you to build a house from scratch i could wait 100 years and it wont get built, or it will but it will be so bad a pig could huff and puff at it and the building would blow over. time doesnt automatically give you skills to do something so how does someone obtain skills other then using time? and pretty sure if i had 100 years to practice i could build a house, people build houses with alot less then 100 years of hand on experience
there are some things you can learn through trial and error given lots of time. other things cant be learnt unless it is taught. his point about the ship being highly complex is exactly that, there is no way a dude floating around on an island all alone is going to pick up water7 level ship construction skills.
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While I agree with mensol from a logic POV you do have to consider it is a manga and sometimes things like these just get ass-pulled!
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Surely a god can build ships in the blink of an eye?
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On October 04 2017 13:33 sharkie wrote:
While I agree with mensol from a logic POV you do have to consider it is a manga and sometimes things like these just get ass-pulled!
While true, for good manga you don't just assume an ass-pull has happened unless it gets shoved in your face.
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On October 04 2017 13:29 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 12:00 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 11:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:On October 04 2017 10:45 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 09:16 Mensol wrote:
"he had time" cant argue with flawless logic.
you should just rewatch episode 185, Ark Maxims structure is much greater than you think. its not something that an ordinary person (what i meant here is that not an extraordinary shipwright, we all know Enel is a God) would draw its plans in his "free time". you are aware that we are not talking about some casual weapons here right? its a weapon that capable of destroying entire island like sabaody. why are you acting like shipwrite is some magic bloodline magic? he spent years working on creating a new invention and managed to pull it off plus ignoring whatever craftsmen were in skypeia that he could recruit to assist his logic is this: if i told you to build a house from scratch i could wait 100 years and it wont get built, or it will but it will be so bad a pig could huff and puff at it and the building would blow over. time doesnt automatically give you skills to do something so how does someone obtain skills other then using time? and pretty sure if i had 100 years to practice i could build a house, people build houses with alot less then 100 years of hand on experience there are some things you can learn through trial and error given lots of time. other things cant be learnt unless it is taught. his point about the ship being highly complex is exactly that, there is no way a dude floating around on an island all alone is going to pick up water7 level ship construction skills.
everything he needs to build the ship already exists, they already have the technology to store energy, make clouds and make shit fly it just needs to be improved
do people think the shipwrights of water 7 were just born knowing how to make a ship?
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On October 04 2017 23:09 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 13:29 evilfatsh1t wrote:On October 04 2017 12:00 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 11:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:On October 04 2017 10:45 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 09:16 Mensol wrote:
"he had time" cant argue with flawless logic.
you should just rewatch episode 185, Ark Maxims structure is much greater than you think. its not something that an ordinary person (what i meant here is that not an extraordinary shipwright, we all know Enel is a God) would draw its plans in his "free time". you are aware that we are not talking about some casual weapons here right? its a weapon that capable of destroying entire island like sabaody. why are you acting like shipwrite is some magic bloodline magic? he spent years working on creating a new invention and managed to pull it off plus ignoring whatever craftsmen were in skypeia that he could recruit to assist his logic is this: if i told you to build a house from scratch i could wait 100 years and it wont get built, or it will but it will be so bad a pig could huff and puff at it and the building would blow over. time doesnt automatically give you skills to do something so how does someone obtain skills other then using time? and pretty sure if i had 100 years to practice i could build a house, people build houses with alot less then 100 years of hand on experience there are some things you can learn through trial and error given lots of time. other things cant be learnt unless it is taught. his point about the ship being highly complex is exactly that, there is no way a dude floating around on an island all alone is going to pick up water7 level ship construction skills. everything he needs to build the ship already exists, they already have the technology to store energy, make clouds and make shit fly it just needs to be improved do people think the shipwrights of water 7 were just born knowing how to make a ship?
So you think if you have the raw materials laid out, with enough freetime, anyone would be able to create some giant complex flying ship of electric doom?
And its funny you mention technology. Do you happen to remember what all the technology in skypeia was based off of? They all used Dials. And yet for some reason, Maxim was powered by electricity, and was shown to employ very complex machinery in its inner working. No dials at all.
But maybe if you have all this random shiny yellow stuff laying around, with enough freetime, anyone could just build a giant mechanical flying ship of electrical doom, without utilizing any of the actual technology of the land. Makes perfect sense
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is it really that inconcievable that Enel had the intelligence, or a subordinate with the intelligence, to create something special?
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Enel had no subordinates with knowledge of the Blue Sea. The Maxim used no technology of Skypeia. You are basically suggesting that Enel deliberately eschewed using conventional technology entirely in the creation of something Skypeia literally had no concept of, and did it in an extremely short time.
So are you suggesting that Enel was just born with the knowledge on how to make it?
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So are you suggesting that Enel was just born with the knowledge on how to make it?
how did you possibly reach this conclusion...?
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Because its exactly what you said... That he had a lot of free time so just pulled it out of his ass.
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On October 05 2017 00:39 Sentenal wrote:
Because its exactly what you said... That he had a lot of free time so just pulled it out of his ass.
that literally the exact opposite of what i said, in fact i said several times how ridiculous it is to think that water 7 shipwrights were born knowing how to make ships
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On October 04 2017 23:44 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 23:09 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 13:29 evilfatsh1t wrote:On October 04 2017 12:00 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 11:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:On October 04 2017 10:45 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 09:16 Mensol wrote:
"he had time" cant argue with flawless logic.
you should just rewatch episode 185, Ark Maxims structure is much greater than you think. its not something that an ordinary person (what i meant here is that not an extraordinary shipwright, we all know Enel is a God) would draw its plans in his "free time". you are aware that we are not talking about some casual weapons here right? its a weapon that capable of destroying entire island like sabaody. why are you acting like shipwrite is some magic bloodline magic? he spent years working on creating a new invention and managed to pull it off plus ignoring whatever craftsmen were in skypeia that he could recruit to assist his logic is this: if i told you to build a house from scratch i could wait 100 years and it wont get built, or it will but it will be so bad a pig could huff and puff at it and the building would blow over. time doesnt automatically give you skills to do something so how does someone obtain skills other then using time? and pretty sure if i had 100 years to practice i could build a house, people build houses with alot less then 100 years of hand on experience there are some things you can learn through trial and error given lots of time. other things cant be learnt unless it is taught. his point about the ship being highly complex is exactly that, there is no way a dude floating around on an island all alone is going to pick up water7 level ship construction skills. everything he needs to build the ship already exists, they already have the technology to store energy, make clouds and make shit fly it just needs to be improved do people think the shipwrights of water 7 were just born knowing how to make a ship? So you think if you have the raw materials laid out, with enough freetime, anyone would be able to create some giant complex flying ship of electric doom? And its funny you mention technology. Do you happen to remember what all the technology in skypeia was based off of? They all used Dials. And yet for some reason, Maxim was powered by electricity, and was shown to employ very complex machinery in its inner working. No dials at all. But maybe if you have all this random shiny yellow stuff laying around, with enough freetime, anyone could just build a giant mechanical flying ship of electrical doom, without utilizing any of the actual technology of the land. Makes perfect sense
Maxim is powered by Enel's power source and it's never mentioned whether Enel actually comes from Skypea or not, there's an actual chance he was a shipwright in a big Shipyard or just generally knowledgeable.
Enel is depicted as being fairly smart and knows at least basics of electricity. Ofc there's a chance that Enel stumbled over Maxim and found his DF inside of it, but Enel designing a ship that utilizes his knowledge about his ability seems more probable to me.
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 05 2017 02:08 Archeon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2017 23:44 Sentenal wrote:On October 04 2017 23:09 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 13:29 evilfatsh1t wrote:On October 04 2017 12:00 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 11:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:On October 04 2017 10:45 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 09:16 Mensol wrote:
"he had time" cant argue with flawless logic.
you should just rewatch episode 185, Ark Maxims structure is much greater than you think. its not something that an ordinary person (what i meant here is that not an extraordinary shipwright, we all know Enel is a God) would draw its plans in his "free time". you are aware that we are not talking about some casual weapons here right? its a weapon that capable of destroying entire island like sabaody. why are you acting like shipwrite is some magic bloodline magic? he spent years working on creating a new invention and managed to pull it off plus ignoring whatever craftsmen were in skypeia that he could recruit to assist his logic is this: if i told you to build a house from scratch i could wait 100 years and it wont get built, or it will but it will be so bad a pig could huff and puff at it and the building would blow over. time doesnt automatically give you skills to do something so how does someone obtain skills other then using time? and pretty sure if i had 100 years to practice i could build a house, people build houses with alot less then 100 years of hand on experience there are some things you can learn through trial and error given lots of time. other things cant be learnt unless it is taught. his point about the ship being highly complex is exactly that, there is no way a dude floating around on an island all alone is going to pick up water7 level ship construction skills. everything he needs to build the ship already exists, they already have the technology to store energy, make clouds and make shit fly it just needs to be improved do people think the shipwrights of water 7 were just born knowing how to make a ship? So you think if you have the raw materials laid out, with enough freetime, anyone would be able to create some giant complex flying ship of electric doom? And its funny you mention technology. Do you happen to remember what all the technology in skypeia was based off of? They all used Dials. And yet for some reason, Maxim was powered by electricity, and was shown to employ very complex machinery in its inner working. No dials at all. But maybe if you have all this random shiny yellow stuff laying around, with enough freetime, anyone could just build a giant mechanical flying ship of electrical doom, without utilizing any of the actual technology of the land. Makes perfect sense Maxim is powered by Enel's power source and it's never mentioned whether Enel actually comes from Skypea or not, there's an actual chance he was a shipwright in a big Shipyard or just generally knowledgeable. Enel is depicted as being fairly smart and knows at least basics of electricity. Ofc there's a chance that Enel stumbled over Maxim and found his DF inside of it, but Enel designing a ship that utilizes his knowledge about his ability seems more probable to me.
Actually it is. Enel was raised in Birka another sky island which he destroyed before coming to Skypiea.
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On October 05 2017 02:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 02:08 Archeon wrote:On October 04 2017 23:44 Sentenal wrote:On October 04 2017 23:09 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 13:29 evilfatsh1t wrote:On October 04 2017 12:00 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 11:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:On October 04 2017 10:45 Forikorder wrote:On October 04 2017 09:16 Mensol wrote:
"he had time" cant argue with flawless logic.
you should just rewatch episode 185, Ark Maxims structure is much greater than you think. its not something that an ordinary person (what i meant here is that not an extraordinary shipwright, we all know Enel is a God) would draw its plans in his "free time". you are aware that we are not talking about some casual weapons here right? its a weapon that capable of destroying entire island like sabaody. why are you acting like shipwrite is some magic bloodline magic? he spent years working on creating a new invention and managed to pull it off plus ignoring whatever craftsmen were in skypeia that he could recruit to assist his logic is this: if i told you to build a house from scratch i could wait 100 years and it wont get built, or it will but it will be so bad a pig could huff and puff at it and the building would blow over. time doesnt automatically give you skills to do something so how does someone obtain skills other then using time? and pretty sure if i had 100 years to practice i could build a house, people build houses with alot less then 100 years of hand on experience there are some things you can learn through trial and error given lots of time. other things cant be learnt unless it is taught. his point about the ship being highly complex is exactly that, there is no way a dude floating around on an island all alone is going to pick up water7 level ship construction skills. everything he needs to build the ship already exists, they already have the technology to store energy, make clouds and make shit fly it just needs to be improved do people think the shipwrights of water 7 were just born knowing how to make a ship? So you think if you have the raw materials laid out, with enough freetime, anyone would be able to create some giant complex flying ship of electric doom? And its funny you mention technology. Do you happen to remember what all the technology in skypeia was based off of? They all used Dials. And yet for some reason, Maxim was powered by electricity, and was shown to employ very complex machinery in its inner working. No dials at all. But maybe if you have all this random shiny yellow stuff laying around, with enough freetime, anyone could just build a giant mechanical flying ship of electrical doom, without utilizing any of the actual technology of the land. Makes perfect sense Maxim is powered by Enel's power source and it's never mentioned whether Enel actually comes from Skypea or not, there's an actual chance he was a shipwright in a big Shipyard or just generally knowledgeable. Enel is depicted as being fairly smart and knows at least basics of electricity. Ofc there's a chance that Enel stumbled over Maxim and found his DF inside of it, but Enel designing a ship that utilizes his knowledge about his ability seems more probable to me. Actually it is. Enel was raised in Birka another sky island which he destroyed before coming to Skypiea.
Case closed. Enel is from Birka. The Maxim was clearly an ass pull.
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Or it's Uranus that Roger left in Birka somewhen around his journey to Skypiea!
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On October 05 2017 00:53 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 00:39 Sentenal wrote:
Because its exactly what you said... That he had a lot of free time so just pulled it out of his ass. that literally the exact opposite of what i said, in fact i said several times how ridiculous it is to think that water 7 shipwrights were born knowing how to make ships
lol, Forikorder, it might be time to come to terms with what you are suggesting. The Shipwrights weren't born with the knowledge, they were born in an island with lots of drydocks and people to learn from. Enel had neither of these. And yet you still insist he was able to build Maxim just because he was "smart" and had time. You are literally saying he was born with the knowledge.
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In REAL LIFE, people learn how to build ships by learning from the traditions and knowledge and techniques and infrastructure accumulated from every other person that built a ship before them. For a relevant example, by 1800, just before the first steamships were made, a shipwright designing a large ship would have the accumlated knowledge from 10-100 masters before him for every generation since the dawn of written civilisation. So for example that French or British or Dutch master shipright has basically the knowledge transfered by a minimum lower limit of 5000 years of knowledge and experience and experimentation and an upper limit of about a milllion years. So yeah, if Enel didn't learn ship building from a professional institution, if he had time of at least 5000 years, and loads of ship making raw materials and equipment and labour, he has the time.
Of course though One Piece isn't real life.
Also all this one piece theorycrafting is boring.
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United States97277 Posts
spoilers theres a break next week inb4 mad
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