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He didn't use any Dials or Wavers at all for Maxim, it was completely mechanical.
Usopp upgraded nams climatact with Dials too yet we dont actually see dials, there could be hundreds of dials inside of Maxim that are just hidden from view
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Forikorder, you are really testing peoples temper.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Ark_Maxim
just read this shit and give it a rest. if you want to see the inside of Maxim, just open the episode 185 where Sanji himself mentions that Maxim is all run by machine.
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United States97277 Posts
There is a break next week because oda needs 2 weeks to write the death of Luffy and One Pieve finale
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On October 05 2017 22:00 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 16:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 05 2017 15:23 RenSC2 wrote:Wright brothers wiki They gained the mechanical skills essential for their success by working for years in their shop with printing presses, bicycles, motors, and other machinery. Their work with bicycles in particular influenced their belief that an unstable vehicle like a flying machine could be controlled and balanced with practice.[14] From 1900 until their first powered flights in late 1903, they conducted extensive glider tests that also developed their skills as pilots. Their bicycle shop employee Charlie Taylor became an important part of the team, building their first airplane engine in close collaboration with the brothers. Engines existed and Gliders existed before the Wright brothers came along. They took the next step, but it was the work they did in related fields that gave them the background information to take it. They didn't just magically create the airplane from nothing. Well tbf Enel didn't start from nothing. He had jet dials and Wavers to consider. Though this entire line of reasoning by analogy is rather ridiculous. edit: Oh wow chapter's out early this week. He didn't use any Dials or Wavers at all for Maxim, it was completely mechanical.
Not true. The auxiliary power supply uses hundreds of jet dials.
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On October 06 2017 01:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 22:00 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2017 16:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 05 2017 15:23 RenSC2 wrote:Wright brothers wiki They gained the mechanical skills essential for their success by working for years in their shop with printing presses, bicycles, motors, and other machinery. Their work with bicycles in particular influenced their belief that an unstable vehicle like a flying machine could be controlled and balanced with practice.[14] From 1900 until their first powered flights in late 1903, they conducted extensive glider tests that also developed their skills as pilots. Their bicycle shop employee Charlie Taylor became an important part of the team, building their first airplane engine in close collaboration with the brothers. Engines existed and Gliders existed before the Wright brothers came along. They took the next step, but it was the work they did in related fields that gave them the background information to take it. They didn't just magically create the airplane from nothing. Well tbf Enel didn't start from nothing. He had jet dials and Wavers to consider. Though this entire line of reasoning by analogy is rather ridiculous. edit: Oh wow chapter's out early this week. He didn't use any Dials or Wavers at all for Maxim, it was completely mechanical. Not true. The auxiliary power supply uses hundreds of jet dials.
Those were backups that were just strapped to the hull, the actual inner workings behind the flying death ship was entirely mechanical, with lots of big ass mechanical gears ran by electricity. When even saw it when Usopp and Sanji were running around inside, and its how Sanji sabotaged the ship (temporarily)
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On October 06 2017 02:53 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 01:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 05 2017 22:00 Sentenal wrote:On October 05 2017 16:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 05 2017 15:23 RenSC2 wrote:Wright brothers wiki They gained the mechanical skills essential for their success by working for years in their shop with printing presses, bicycles, motors, and other machinery. Their work with bicycles in particular influenced their belief that an unstable vehicle like a flying machine could be controlled and balanced with practice.[14] From 1900 until their first powered flights in late 1903, they conducted extensive glider tests that also developed their skills as pilots. Their bicycle shop employee Charlie Taylor became an important part of the team, building their first airplane engine in close collaboration with the brothers. Engines existed and Gliders existed before the Wright brothers came along. They took the next step, but it was the work they did in related fields that gave them the background information to take it. They didn't just magically create the airplane from nothing. Well tbf Enel didn't start from nothing. He had jet dials and Wavers to consider. Though this entire line of reasoning by analogy is rather ridiculous. edit: Oh wow chapter's out early this week. He didn't use any Dials or Wavers at all for Maxim, it was completely mechanical. Not true. The auxiliary power supply uses hundreds of jet dials. Those were backups that were just strapped to the hull, the actual inner workings behind the flying death ship was entirely mechanical, with lots of big ass mechanical gears ran by electricity. When even saw it when Usopp and Sanji were running around inside, and its how Sanji sabotaged the ship (temporarily)
Hence the word auxiliary.
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Yeah but backups being present is hardly the point I'm making, unless you are just trying to be pedantic
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On October 06 2017 03:35 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah but backups being present is hardly the point I'm making, unless you are just trying to be pedantic
Sure, but this entire line of argumentation is made of pedantry. We truly have no idea about the exact technological background of Skypiea though it seems the ancient Sky Islanders at least were pretty advanced considering all the mechanical robots on the moon.
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On October 05 2017 23:05 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 22:22 Hyperbola wrote:On October 05 2017 21:46 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 05 2017 14:05 Forikorder wrote:On October 05 2017 04:19 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
In REAL LIFE, people learn how to build ships by learning from the traditions and knowledge and techniques and infrastructure accumulated from every other person that built a ship before them. For a relevant example, by 1800, just before the first steamships were made, a shipwright designing a large ship would have the accumlated knowledge from 10-100 masters before him for every generation since the dawn of written civilisation. So for example that French or British or Dutch master shipright has basically the knowledge transfered by a minimum lower limit of 5000 years of knowledge and experience and experimentation and an upper limit of about a milllion years. So yeah, if Enel didn't learn ship building from a professional institution, if he had time of at least 5000 years, and loads of ship making raw materials and equipment and labour, he has the time.
Of course though One Piece isn't real life.
Also all this one piece theorycrafting is boring. and what plane makers did the wright brothers learn from? Yo Ho Ho Ho I am an aeronautical engineer. About 100 pioneers died trying to acheive heavier than air flight (lighter than air flight is considerably easier and safer), over a period of 100 years. What the wright brothers acheived was not building a plane, as there were hundreds of short flying/gliding/hopping/bouncing/crashing planes before them, but building a control system that allowed for sustained flight. Everything else, from the theory of flight, lightweight construction, an engine powerful enough for flight was researched by 9000 years of civilisation and the accretion of knowledge. Most importantly would be to derive the method of lift (not flapping), and the airscrew as thrust and the internal combustion engine (not steam engine). Simply put, it was inevitable around that time period that someone would eventually build a plane that can have long sustained flight. Ironically, their method of control of wing warping is not used today, and due to some rather aggressive patent protection, control methods rapidly changed away from their method of wing warping. So, if you want to know what plane makers the Wright Brothers learnt from, 9000 years of civilisation building up to the petrol engine and about 100 dead people in about hundred years. And thousands of people over a period of 100 years dedicated to the grand dream of heavier than air powered flight. Of course though, One Piece is not real life and Enel can fly under his own power and cannot die from falling to his death and has no need for a plane, but even if he was a genius he would fail hundreds of times and require billions of lifetimes before he can build a working plane from what we have seen from one piece level of technology. I mean does steam engines even exist in One Piece? Btw I don't object to Enel being some sort of genius who did design and make the ship, I object to using real life logic to do so. In real life no amount of time without spending years learning the relevant profession in the appropriate institute will allow you to make a lightling powered helicopter 3000 ton wooden ship (something we can't actually make today, but that's because we don't have an Enel as a power source). Of course in One Piece, we have 1750 ish ship construction level technology (combined with vice admiral battleships so big that they can't possible exists as they will break apart if they were made out of wood), gun technology ranging from 1400 to 1900 and gigantic robots, lasers and cyborgs. Thank you for providing some sanity to the thread. For those of you still eager to debate, keep in mind that Enel's helicopter can fly through space and to the moon. So either there's oxegyn in space or the laws of physics in One Piece are governed by the rule of cool. Hint: + Show Spoiler + Does lightning require oxygen to exist? Don't forget that devil fruits completely change the body. I don't think Enel needs oxygen :p
Helicopters and planes require air to generate lift...
If we could into space without using rockets we would have colonized mars by now.
The OP universe isn't supposed to make sense, folks. You've got starfish turning into bipedal humanoids because they "felt like it." What's the use of debating the feasibility of anything?
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On October 06 2017 03:45 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 23:05 sharkie wrote:On October 05 2017 22:22 Hyperbola wrote:On October 05 2017 21:46 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On October 05 2017 14:05 Forikorder wrote:On October 05 2017 04:19 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
In REAL LIFE, people learn how to build ships by learning from the traditions and knowledge and techniques and infrastructure accumulated from every other person that built a ship before them. For a relevant example, by 1800, just before the first steamships were made, a shipwright designing a large ship would have the accumlated knowledge from 10-100 masters before him for every generation since the dawn of written civilisation. So for example that French or British or Dutch master shipright has basically the knowledge transfered by a minimum lower limit of 5000 years of knowledge and experience and experimentation and an upper limit of about a milllion years. So yeah, if Enel didn't learn ship building from a professional institution, if he had time of at least 5000 years, and loads of ship making raw materials and equipment and labour, he has the time.
Of course though One Piece isn't real life.
Also all this one piece theorycrafting is boring. and what plane makers did the wright brothers learn from? Yo Ho Ho Ho I am an aeronautical engineer. About 100 pioneers died trying to acheive heavier than air flight (lighter than air flight is considerably easier and safer), over a period of 100 years. What the wright brothers acheived was not building a plane, as there were hundreds of short flying/gliding/hopping/bouncing/crashing planes before them, but building a control system that allowed for sustained flight. Everything else, from the theory of flight, lightweight construction, an engine powerful enough for flight was researched by 9000 years of civilisation and the accretion of knowledge. Most importantly would be to derive the method of lift (not flapping), and the airscrew as thrust and the internal combustion engine (not steam engine). Simply put, it was inevitable around that time period that someone would eventually build a plane that can have long sustained flight. Ironically, their method of control of wing warping is not used today, and due to some rather aggressive patent protection, control methods rapidly changed away from their method of wing warping. So, if you want to know what plane makers the Wright Brothers learnt from, 9000 years of civilisation building up to the petrol engine and about 100 dead people in about hundred years. And thousands of people over a period of 100 years dedicated to the grand dream of heavier than air powered flight. Of course though, One Piece is not real life and Enel can fly under his own power and cannot die from falling to his death and has no need for a plane, but even if he was a genius he would fail hundreds of times and require billions of lifetimes before he can build a working plane from what we have seen from one piece level of technology. I mean does steam engines even exist in One Piece? Btw I don't object to Enel being some sort of genius who did design and make the ship, I object to using real life logic to do so. In real life no amount of time without spending years learning the relevant profession in the appropriate institute will allow you to make a lightling powered helicopter 3000 ton wooden ship (something we can't actually make today, but that's because we don't have an Enel as a power source). Of course in One Piece, we have 1750 ish ship construction level technology (combined with vice admiral battleships so big that they can't possible exists as they will break apart if they were made out of wood), gun technology ranging from 1400 to 1900 and gigantic robots, lasers and cyborgs. Thank you for providing some sanity to the thread. For those of you still eager to debate, keep in mind that Enel's helicopter can fly through space and to the moon. So either there's oxegyn in space or the laws of physics in One Piece are governed by the rule of cool. Hint: + Show Spoiler + Does lightning require oxygen to exist? Don't forget that devil fruits completely change the body. I don't think Enel needs oxygen :p Helicopters and planes require air to generate lift... If we could into space without using rockets we would have colonized mars by now. The OP universe isn't supposed to make sense, folks. You've got starfish turning into bipedal humanoids because they "felt like it." What's the use of debating the feasibility of anything?
It wasn't so much as he felt like it that he thought he was a human due to confusing human (hito) with starfish (hitode)  .
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The idea that Enel couldn't have designed and built his giant helicoptor ship of electrical doom is about as plausible as that he could have done so in One Piece logic. I mean there's a genius scientist that basically made pre steam age world leap hundreds of years into cybernetic and laser technology that we don't even have.
Also some humans are 6 times bigger than they should be, there are islands made up of floating clouds, gigantic sea creatures and giants in general exists, and there is a man made out of rubber.
But yeah my shitty theory (on both sides) is so totally true and everything else is false.
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i dully noted the nick of every enel doubter around here
there will be consequences
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On October 06 2017 09:33 Makro wrote:
i dully noted the nick of every enel doubter around here
there will be consequences
Sounds inefficient. Writing the names of those who don't doubt Enel would be faster.
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On October 06 2017 06:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The idea that Enel couldn't have designed and built his giant helicoptor ship of electrical doom is about as plausible as that he could have done so in One Piece logic. I mean there's a genius scientist that basically made pre steam age world leap hundreds of years into cybernetic and laser technology that we don't even have.
Also some humans are 6 times bigger than they should be, there are islands made up of floating clouds, gigantic sea creatures and giants in general exists, and there is a man made out of rubber.
But yeah my shitty theory (on both sides) is so totally true and everything else is false.
readers accept that guys like vegapunk or franky are capable of some shit thats totally improbable in the real world because the characters are portrayed to be "scientists/tinkers/experimenters" etc.
showing that characters spent the majority of their life devoting themselves to research and work in that particular field is the minimum requirement for readers to accept that in that world it is possible.
enel's day job was god of skypiea and im pretty sure he didnt spend 20 hours a day in a lab or workshop busting his ass trying to build a ship with no prior knowledge or resources and thousands of trials and errors.
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On October 06 2017 12:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 06:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The idea that Enel couldn't have designed and built his giant helicoptor ship of electrical doom is about as plausible as that he could have done so in One Piece logic. I mean there's a genius scientist that basically made pre steam age world leap hundreds of years into cybernetic and laser technology that we don't even have.
Also some humans are 6 times bigger than they should be, there are islands made up of floating clouds, gigantic sea creatures and giants in general exists, and there is a man made out of rubber.
But yeah my shitty theory (on both sides) is so totally true and everything else is false. readers accept that guys like vegapunk or franky are capable of some shit thats totally improbable in the real world because the characters are portrayed to be "scientists/tinkers/experimenters" etc. showing that characters spent the majority of their life devoting themselves to research and work in that particular field is the minimum requirement for readers to accept that in that world it is possible. enel's day job was god of skypiea and im pretty sure he didnt spend 20 hours a day in a lab or workshop busting his ass trying to build a ship with no prior knowledge or resources and thousands of trials and errors.
enels day job was god only after he needed an army, until that point we have no idea what he was doing or even how old he was
hell he could have spent 50 years making maxim and after finishing the blueprints took the seat of god
he could be older then Vegapunk, he could be older then Big Mom and just have a damn good skin care
we know literally nothing about his backstory
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On October 06 2017 12:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 06:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The idea that Enel couldn't have designed and built his giant helicoptor ship of electrical doom is about as plausible as that he could have done so in One Piece logic. I mean there's a genius scientist that basically made pre steam age world leap hundreds of years into cybernetic and laser technology that we don't even have.
Also some humans are 6 times bigger than they should be, there are islands made up of floating clouds, gigantic sea creatures and giants in general exists, and there is a man made out of rubber.
But yeah my shitty theory (on both sides) is so totally true and everything else is false. readers accept that guys like vegapunk or franky are capable of some shit thats totally improbable in the real world because the characters are portrayed to be "scientists/tinkers/experimenters" etc. showing that characters spent the majority of their life devoting themselves to research and work in that particular field is the minimum requirement for readers to accept that in that world it is possible. enel's day job was god of skypiea and im pretty sure he didnt spend 20 hours a day in a lab or workshop busting his ass trying to build a ship with no prior knowledge or resources and thousands of trials and errors.
Are you sure about that? He ruled Skypeia for what I understand to be eight years. That's eight years of doing nothing but working on the Maxim. Also, keep in mind that he had the entire former army of Gan Fall working on the thing. There were hundreds of them too.
But anyways, here's what I think really happened: Enel already had the doomsday device figured out beforehand and had found a giant ship, then, he spent eight years creating the power system and propellers. The doomsday device was probably something he discovered in Birka, his homeland, which he somehow destroyed (which is why he was already familiar with the mechanism when he demonstrated it to Luffy). He may have even found the Goro fruit with the mechanism. Then, after destroying Birka probably just to test fire his new toy, he moved to Skypeia and took either the pieces or the blueprints with him.
Next, he found a giant ship that suited his ego. Notice how the Maxim has a set of paddles? Why would a ship that flies need paddles unless they were already there? Anyways, Enel then took the former God's army and made them create the Jet Dial system, lay down the gold circuits, and integrate the doomsday device which would also act as a power source
The only thing missing here is where he got the idea for propellers from since Skypeia uses dials for transportation. Maybe he came up with it himself? Maybe he saw some diagrams in the old ruins? I mean this dude was obsessed with his prophecy and destiny to the point where him figuring all of this out could have been done with sheer force of will and a lot of time. Besides zapping people occasionally, this is literally all he did.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
katakuri circlejerk hype
i fuckin love that dude
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Yeah, I love Katakuri. He's the kind of badass similar to how Kuzan and Vergo felt when you first saw them in action.
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I really liked how page 4 highlighted the similarities of Luffy and Katakuri. I feel Katakuri represents something that Luffy could have become if he had made different choices through his life.
But man, getting kicked in the stomach while held down by straps of mochi looked gut-wrenching. I'm pretty sure Luffy pulls out something new here and stands his ground instead of running.
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Well the thing is he's not using G4. But I don't think that he can. If he does, then he goes into the 10 minute without Haki break and he'll die in those 10 minutes. I don't think Luffy can seal the deal before G4 runs out.
So he has very little remaining options left, unless he has something else under his sleeve, which I believe that he does.
G4 was done 1.5 years in, when Rayleigh was there. In the last 6 months, I'm sure that Luffy has something else.
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