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donaldmiller
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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ffswowsucks
Greece2297 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17374 Posts
Audiences were growing up with characters that have been built-up over the course of 10 years. Now we get pretty much the culmination of this period that was split into two epic movies, but for some reason right before the second movie hits they're introduced to a completely new character out of the blue and execs are saying that this character is taking over. We also get a huge plot hole here, because CM supposedly came to earth 30 years ago and since then protected it from space invaders, yet Chitaurii invasion happened and CM was nowhere near this. Actors were getting more and more familiar with their roles, figured out some interesting relations and connections. It goes in pair with the audiences, you know each character's personality traits, who they like, who they dislike, what's the chemistry between them etc. Now they're introduced to an unknown quantity that is also meant to push them into the second plan... Directors (Russos in this case) had a vision, were building it and making it work. Now they're forced to introduce something they were not prepared for into the second half of their epic. There are even rumors that there are 2 cuts of End Game, one with CM and one without. Captain Marvel movie is also in an awkward spot because of it. They have to do the origin story, somehow tie it up to the Avengers and what's going on and introduce a character that's supposed to take the lead in the MCU so it has to be liked enough to overshadow 10 years of building characters like Iron Man or Captain America. The absolute least it has to do is for audiences to not be confused and repulsed when CM shows up in End Game. If she will be key in defeating Thanos then it would pretty much invalidate a decade of world and character building for some random girl showing up and solving all the problems. That would be truly anticlimactic for most fans I believe. Why did they decide to drop it now is beyond me. Was it to show something in the first quarter? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9707 Posts
What plot holes and problems are there that aren't just made up by you? Have you seen Captain Marvel? What's with the 'random girl' thing? Does it matter that she's a girl? Doesn't it make sense to you that after the avengers got so wrecked in Infinity War that they would have to get some outside help from someone stronger? | ||
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brian
United States9627 Posts
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goody153
44206 Posts
If she will be key in defeating Thanos then it would pretty much invalidate a decade of world and character building for some random girl showing up and solving all the problems. That would be truly anticlimactic for most fans I believe. Maybe you'll find it anti-climactic if Captain Marvel was indeed key to winning but you don't speak for me and many others. And you are assuming that they'll just have one person save the universe instead of a group collaboration. If Infinity War has shown us anything is that they won't suffer the "superman problem" I feel like you haven't seen Captain Marvel either as you'll realize that Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet would still wreck her from what she is capable of despite her indeed being powerful as hell. On March 09 2019 04:55 brian wrote: yea if you’re not a fan of the deus ex machina plot device, marvel movies just aren’t for you. if you haven’t realized this until captain marvel, then perhaps it’s not the plot device you have a problem with but the deus in the machina. Yep yep. MCU are superhero movies. They're superhero movies This is like people complaining about Game of Thrones losing its "medieval realism" when Game of Thrones is literally just a grimdark fantasy so idk why people expect it to be realistic when it is clearly fantasy lol | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17374 Posts
On March 09 2019 04:35 Jockmcplop wrote: A few questions Manit0u What plot holes and problems are there that aren't just made up by you? Have you seen Captain Marvel? What's with the 'random girl' thing? Does it matter that she's a girl? Doesn't it make sense to you that after the avengers got so wrecked in Infinity War that they would have to get some outside help from someone stronger? If you really want to go there... What plot holes and problems are there that aren't just made up by you? The biggest plot hole is that her origin story takes place in the 90's, we've seen more recent events that take place in the 21st century yet she was absent from them. There were some major Earth-treatening events yet the first mention of CM we get is at the end of Infinity War in post-credits scene. Sure, you have an ace up your sleeve that could've helped many times before but now is the time to use it. Since people to disappear are chosen randomly 50/50 why do you even assume your page will reach her? Have you seen Captain Marvel? It's just released in my country and I'm debating if I should see it or not. Does it matter that she's a girl? Not at all. Some of my favorite characters are female. What's with the 'random girl' thing? It doesn't matter if it's a girl, a boy or whatever. What matters here is that you introduce a new entity moments before a culmination of a big event that was built up over a decade. There are established characters and events that lead to this epic conclusion that ties everything together. In the middle of the culmination is not a time to introduce new elements. Doesn't it make sense to you that after the avengers got so wrecked in Infinity War that they would have to get some outside help from someone stronger? They've almost defeated Thanos in Infinity War. Then they got wrecked and that's pretty much exactly what you expect from superhero genre. It's being beaten and getting back up and overcoming your own flaws, finally working together as a team, seeing the bigger picture etc. That's what pretty much every superhero movie/comic/whatever is about. Definitely it's never about "I tried, I failed, let someone else take care of it". Also, as far as the current MCU is concerned up to CM, there is no one stronger than Thor, so if he failed, who are they going to call? | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
Just ignore any controversy around Brie and just see the movie. It's a great movie and was better than half the Marvel movies so far. There's no way for Endgame to work with the current Avengers team, they needed a more powerful ally to defeat Thanos. I don't get why people are so against Captain Marvel... | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17374 Posts
On March 09 2019 09:55 Zooper31 wrote: The plot holes you're referencing will be cleared up if you actually see the film. Just ignore any controversy around Brie and just see the movie. It's a great movie and was better than half the Marvel movies so far. There's no way for Endgame to work with the current Avengers team, they needed a more powerful ally to defeat Thanos. I don't get why people are so against Captain Marvel... Maybe because in the comics (originally) she is a 3rd tier character at best? And as far as a more powerful ally goes they've been hinting at Adam Warlock for years now... + Show Spoiler + In the original comic storyline when Thanos has full infinity gauntlet and all the stones there are a lot of powerful entities that get together despite their differences in an attempt to defeat him (like Galactus). Ultimately it's Adam Warlock who seals the deal (and Captain Marvel is nowhere in the Infinity War comics) and comes up with the plan to defeat Thanos (a plan where most of the participants die because that's what's necessary for it to succeed and it gives it more gravitas when so many willingly go to their deaths just to save the universe). In any case, there have been enough people who've seen this movie now, I've got some reports from my friends and I've decided that I don't want to see it. While it's true that they do explain CM's absence during previous important events in the MCU (pretty weak explanation if you ask me, but still) they also manage to retroactively ruin Guardians of the Galaxy, Nick Fury and Avengers. I'll pass and wait for the End Game. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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hexhaven
Finland939 Posts
On March 09 2019 08:27 Manit0u wrote: It's just released in my country and I'm debating if I should see it or not. Case closed. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I am not familiar with marvel comics, but from what I've seen of some cartoons I was sure that the skrull were the bad guys, so it was kind of fun that they weren't. That skrull and the cat stole the show. lol There was one thing that bugged me. It's a bit nitpicky, but what kind of kid WANTS here mother to go on a dangerous mission on which she could die. Makes no sense. I guess this is where all the Brie Larson drama came from? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7368 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The Skrulls were definitely show stealers, and it had to make me think how often an Australian accent is ever really villainous... Nick Fury and Goose were also really charming, I enjoyed everything to do with them, and their interactions with Captain Marvel. The weak point of the movie is the flashbacks that happen that show Captain's Marvel's shitty father. It really doesnt feel like thats a useful aspect of her character development in this movie, and it just kind of degrades the movie as a result. It feels pretty crammed in there, I'd rather see it explored in the inevitable Captain Marvel 2 than have been shoehorned into this one. Also, I think maybe Lt. Trouble eventually becomes Iron Heart? They kind of said, "you can join us doing dumb dangerous shit when you can do incredibly unbelievable thing related to technology" and since Tony is likely slated to die in Infinity War, it feels like it'd make some sense. Although shes already like, what, 10 years old in '95 when the movie takes places, so by the time she'd be Iron Heart she'd be in her thirties so it doesnt really mesh with the comic version too well. The only other gripe I had is after rewatching Guardians of the Galaxy, I wish that the Kree technology looked all more unified, the Dark Aster could not look more different than anything else Kree. Despite that most of my text was light bitching, I actually really liked the movie, Nick Fury and Captain Marvel are great together, and Goose is a serious trip. Oh, and the soundtrack is sweet, and they really nail the '90s. Especially when your first introduction to Earth is crashlanding on a fucking Blockbuster, lol. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14023 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On March 10 2019 06:25 CosmicSpiral wrote: Captain Marvel was a 4/10 for me. It wasn't egregiously bad, but I have a naturally harsh grade curve and it lacked basic requirements for the type of story it strove to be. In terms of flaws, Captain Marvel is an interesting contrast to Suicide Squad. I haven't seen either and don't plan to see either, but I am curious about the supposed contrast if could elaborate. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10777 Posts
Absolutely 100% forgettable would be my judgement. 4/10. And she is portrayed so powerful. Its entirely possible they ruin End Game with her. | ||
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