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On May 13 2013 06:47 FluffyBinLaden wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On May 13 2013 06:29 Highways wrote:
George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies I made a list with a friend of who couldn't die. Tyrion won't ever die. They would lose too much money.Arya is as immuned to anything as a TX terminator. Jon Snow is there forever. I suspect that in the long run he is basically the main character. If there is any. There probably isn't. Daenerys won't die. There is no way we had to endure all those kitsch shit with those horse riding living clichés to have her killed before her dragon and her spread havoc and chaos everywhere. Bran has to live because it wouldn't make any sense for him to die anytime soon. I think he will do big. Jamie needs the redemption crap to carry on. He's as safe as a Swiss safe for the time being. Cercei is to clever and evil to die. Too cool too. I think. I hope. She's hot. Marjorie is too smart to die, period. She has a long career of power hungry evil hypocrite ahead I predict. Sansa might die, but later, since at the moment she is the centre of too many plots. Although... ... that leaves us with those who would die soon... Robb is dead. Joffrey will have also a slow and painful death, at some point. I think Theon has to go at some point. Might have some annoying redemption in the interval. Screw redemptions. Any thought? I don't know that you can use that as a reason. Sean Bean was kind of THE name of the show when it started off. Yes, he's extremely popular, but hell, Ned was the Protagonist, and he was dead before the season was out. That said, I think it will have to be another Stark, or someone close to them. As much as I hate to see another go, Robb is making too many mistakes, Arya is living really recklessly (Although she and Gendry I think have plot-armor for now), Bran and Rickon are in a very dangerous place (Although, again, those two specifically should have more involved with them down the line), but I think it'll be around one of those three perspectives. Or Theon, but screw Theon.
Tyrion is too cool. That's what it is. He is too much a precious character to lose as a writer. To have Ned decapitated was awesome. To have Tyrion die would be just disappointing.
Arya is also not a character you can let die. She is someone people are supposed to identify with. Having her killed now would make no sense at all, especially after what she has gone through.
Same, Bran dying would be stupid, in that case why have him go thourgh all those weird shit? I mean if he has to die it would have been a long time ago, falling from the tower or killed by Theon. If he survived those it's to do something. Let see why.
It's easy, to make prediction: just think your reaction if X character was getting killed. If now Arya was getting killed, I can guarantee you everybody's reaction would be some kind of WTF / disgust / disbelief. You would be wondering why starting all those adventures and having her go thourgh all those stuff for nothing. Now remember Ned dying. It was shoking, but then you looked back the story and say "oh well of course". He was inadapted as the Hand since the beginning, he was not making the right compromises, he was a security that needed to be removed to have Arya and Robb become more independant and developped etc... It was awesome and made perfect sense.
+ Show Spoiler +and Sean Bean, what do you expect?
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On May 13 2013 06:45 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On May 13 2013 06:32 Conti wrote:On May 13 2013 06:29 Highways wrote:
George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies Not Hodor! O.O Maybe the Mountain? Robb is due to attack Casterly Rock soon after all... Where the hell is the mountain at the moment, anyways?
All we know is that he isn't at a mill.
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On May 13 2013 06:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:29 Highways wrote:
George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies I made a list with a friend of who couldn't die. Tyrion won't ever die. They would lose too much money. Arya is as immuned to anything as a TX terminator. Jon Snow is there forever. I suspect that in the long run he is basically the main character. If there is any. There probably isn't. Daenerys won't die. There is no way we had to endure all those kitsch shit with those horse riding living clichés to have her killed before her dragon and her spread havoc and chaos everywhere. Bran has to live because it wouldn't make any sense for him to die anytime soon. I think he will do big. Jamie needs the redemption crap to carry on. He's as safe as a Swiss safe for the time being. Cercei is to clever and evil to die. Too cool too. I think. I hope. She's hot. Marjorie is too smart to die, period. She has a long career of power hungry evil hypocrite ahead I predict. Sansa might die, but later, since at the moment she is the centre of too many plots. Although... ... that leaves us with those who would die soon... Robb is dead. Joffrey will have also a slow and painful death, at some point. I think Theon has to go at some point. Might have some annoying redemption in the interval. Screw redemptions. Any thought?
Add more to the list.
Ygritte has kinda confessed her love, saved Jon Snow and gave him his first time with a woman. She might die soon at the hands of one of the wildlings.
Tywin pretty much invicible until his heir comes back into safety, Jaime.
Jon Snow, too much plot armor and lots more for him to do with the wildling army, he's our only set of eyes over atm.
Sam might have some greater purpose but he might also just die randomly.
Theon probably going to have a slow death after finally doing meaningful.
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On May 13 2013 06:55 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On May 13 2013 06:29 Highways wrote:
George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies I made a list with a friend of who couldn't die. Tyrion won't ever die. They would lose too much money. Arya is as immuned to anything as a TX terminator. Jon Snow is there forever. I suspect that in the long run he is basically the main character. If there is any. There probably isn't. Daenerys won't die. There is no way we had to endure all those kitsch shit with those horse riding living clichés to have her killed before her dragon and her spread havoc and chaos everywhere. Bran has to live because it wouldn't make any sense for him to die anytime soon. I think he will do big. Jamie needs the redemption crap to carry on. He's as safe as a Swiss safe for the time being. Cercei is to clever and evil to die. Too cool too. I think. I hope. She's hot. Marjorie is too smart to die, period. She has a long career of power hungry evil hypocrite ahead I predict. Sansa might die, but later, since at the moment she is the centre of too many plots. Although... ... that leaves us with those who would die soon... Robb is dead. Joffrey will have also a slow and painful death, at some point. I think Theon has to go at some point. Might have some annoying redemption in the interval. Screw redemptions. Any thought? Add more to the list. Ygritte has kinda confessed her love, saved Jon Snow and gave him his first time with a woman. She might die soon at the hands of one of the wildlings. Tywin pretty much invicible until his heir comes back into safety, Jaime. Jon Snow, too much plot armor and lots more for him to do with the wildling army, he's our only set of eyes over atm. Sam might have some greater purpose but he might also just die randomly. Theon probably going to have a slow death after finally doing meaningful.
Sam is annoying but he won't die. I feel it. Hate this kind of character.
Ygritte... I don't know. Probably be there for a while. At least I think? But yeah, she might go at some point.
Tywinn seems to be there for a while. He is very, very cool.
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On May 13 2013 06:51 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:47 FluffyBinLaden wrote:On May 13 2013 06:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On May 13 2013 06:29 Highways wrote:
George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies I made a list with a friend of who couldn't die. Tyrion won't ever die. They would lose too much money.Arya is as immuned to anything as a TX terminator. Jon Snow is there forever. I suspect that in the long run he is basically the main character. If there is any. There probably isn't. Daenerys won't die. There is no way we had to endure all those kitsch shit with those horse riding living clichés to have her killed before her dragon and her spread havoc and chaos everywhere. Bran has to live because it wouldn't make any sense for him to die anytime soon. I think he will do big. Jamie needs the redemption crap to carry on. He's as safe as a Swiss safe for the time being. Cercei is to clever and evil to die. Too cool too. I think. I hope. She's hot. Marjorie is too smart to die, period. She has a long career of power hungry evil hypocrite ahead I predict. Sansa might die, but later, since at the moment she is the centre of too many plots. Although... ... that leaves us with those who would die soon... Robb is dead. Joffrey will have also a slow and painful death, at some point. I think Theon has to go at some point. Might have some annoying redemption in the interval. Screw redemptions. Any thought? I don't know that you can use that as a reason. Sean Bean was kind of THE name of the show when it started off. Yes, he's extremely popular, but hell, Ned was the Protagonist, and he was dead before the season was out. That said, I think it will have to be another Stark, or someone close to them. As much as I hate to see another go, Robb is making too many mistakes, Arya is living really recklessly (Although she and Gendry I think have plot-armor for now), Bran and Rickon are in a very dangerous place (Although, again, those two specifically should have more involved with them down the line), but I think it'll be around one of those three perspectives. Or Theon, but screw Theon. Tyrion is too cool. That's what it is. He is too much a precious character to lose as a writer. To have Ned decapitated was awesome. To have Tyrion die would be just disappointing. Arya is also not a character you can let die. She is someone people are supposed to identify with. Having her killed now would make no sense at all, especially after what she has gone through. Same, Bran dying would be stupid, in that case why have him go thourgh all those weird shit? I mean if he has to die it would have been a long time ago, falling from the tower or killed by Theon. If he survived those it's to do something. Let see why. It's easy, to make prediction: just think your reaction if X character was getting killed. If now Arya was getting killed, I can guarantee you everybody's reaction would be some kind of WTF / disgust / disbelief. You would be wondering why starting all those adventures and having her go thourgh all those stuff for nothing. Now remember Ned dying. It was shoking, but then you looked back the story and say "oh well of course". He was inadapted as the Hand since the beginning, he was not making the right compromises, he was a security that needed to be removed to have Arya and Robb become more independant and developped etc... It was awesome and made perfect sense. + Show Spoiler +and Sean Bean, what do you expect?
Sorry, I meant that it will probably be someone close to them. The only Stark that I think has the potential to die right now is Robb.
And, while Tyrion is cool, he's not immune to circumstance. I recall his conversation with Olena, and how she mentioned he was "washed up" or something similar. Seriously, some of the largest things we've seen from him lately (Other than the recent marriage issues) were him talking about Podric's sexual exploits. He's a great character at his best, yes, but he is most certainly affected by circumstance. Circumstance may, in the future, murder him ruthlessly.
I hope it doesn't, though. He's too freaking awesome.
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On May 13 2013 06:55 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On May 13 2013 06:29 Highways wrote:
George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies I made a list with a friend of who couldn't die. Tyrion won't ever die. They would lose too much money. Arya is as immuned to anything as a TX terminator. Jon Snow is there forever. I suspect that in the long run he is basically the main character. If there is any. There probably isn't. Daenerys won't die. There is no way we had to endure all those kitsch shit with those horse riding living clichés to have her killed before her dragon and her spread havoc and chaos everywhere. Bran has to live because it wouldn't make any sense for him to die anytime soon. I think he will do big. Jamie needs the redemption crap to carry on. He's as safe as a Swiss safe for the time being. Cercei is to clever and evil to die. Too cool too. I think. I hope. She's hot. Marjorie is too smart to die, period. She has a long career of power hungry evil hypocrite ahead I predict. Sansa might die, but later, since at the moment she is the centre of too many plots. Although... ... that leaves us with those who would die soon... Robb is dead. Joffrey will have also a slow and painful death, at some point. I think Theon has to go at some point. Might have some annoying redemption in the interval. Screw redemptions. Any thought? Add more to the list. Ygritte has kinda confessed her love, saved Jon Snow and gave him his first time with a woman. She might die soon at the hands of one of the wildlings. Tywin pretty much invicible until his heir comes back into safety, Jaime. Jon Snow, too much plot armor and lots more for him to do with the wildling army, he's our only set of eyes over atm. Sam might have some greater purpose but he might also just die randomly. Theon probably going to have a slow death after finally doing meaningful.
I know a lot of people would disagree with me but I think at least three characters in GoT have a plot armor. I can't imagine Dany, Tyrion or Bran dying anytime soon. They have their own separate stories that cannot be continued without them and are essential for the whole plot. Jon Snow, Arya and Theon also seem invulnerable at the moment but not as much as these three.
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On May 13 2013 06:39 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape. No it is not. Our definitions of rape don't apply to that world and time.
Rape is when a person has sex with another person without their consent. Which part of that doesn't apply to Drogo having sex with Dany without her consent?
You might as well say our definition of eating doesn't apply to that world and time. It's a fairly simple concept which is pretty universal. Mankind could not exist, there could be no men or women anywhere and rape would still be when a man has sex with a woman (or the other way round) without their consent, it just wouldn't happen much.
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I think Stannis, Joffrey, and Theon, should they be slated for death, will become a lot more likeable just before they die.
Maybe Stannis will die attempting to overthrow Melisandre. I'm imagining the scene in Star Wars where Vader kills the Emperor, it's a similar context to what I'm predicting.
Joffrey is going to get whipped hard after Margaery marries him.
Theon is interesting. See, all his men betrayed him and went home, what's the chance that even though Balon hates his son, he realizes that his one male heir is actually worth something and goes to save him. Or sends Yara to do so.
And obviously I'd like to see who the next queef assassin targets.
And where the hell are the Martells? Are they just going to sit this one out, wait for everyone else to die and then sweep in to seize the throne?
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On May 13 2013 06:39 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape. No it is not. Our definitions of rape don't apply to that world and time.
A poop, by any other name, smells just as bad.
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On May 13 2013 06:50 SpikeStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape. In many countries there is still no law against rape in marriage. In Germany having sex with your wife could not possibly be a crime in any way until 1997. I think you can even find a passage in the bible where it says that its the duty of man and wife to have sex in the marriage. not sure about the exact wording.. im not that religious. So this is a fantasy show which is more or less medieval times... and not so long ago rape in marriage wasnt even a thing. I just say this with no judgement, its just how things were a while back.
Yes well... There's a reason we don't follow the bible as law because its about 99% jibberish with a few solid morals secretly hidden between the slavery/rape/torture etc etc and so on.
Let's not divulge into that 
WHO's FREAKING EXCITEDDD!! : D
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On May 13 2013 08:33 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:50 SpikeStarcraft wrote:On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape. In many countries there is still no law against rape in marriage. In Germany having sex with your wife could not possibly be a crime in any way until 1997. I think you can even find a passage in the bible where it says that its the duty of man and wife to have sex in the marriage. not sure about the exact wording.. im not that religious. So this is a fantasy show which is more or less medieval times... and not so long ago rape in marriage wasnt even a thing. I just say this with no judgement, its just how things were a while back. Yes well... There's a reason we don't follow the bible as law because its about 99% jibberish with a few solid morals secretly hidden between the slavery/rape/torture etc etc and so on. Let's not divulge into that WHO's FREAKING EXCITEDDD!! : D
Cannot wait. To the point where, for some reason, I haven't closed this thread all day. Gah, the fact the George wrote this episode is making me really really anxious for it.
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On May 13 2013 07:29 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:39 Fenrax wrote:On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape. No it is not. Our definitions of rape don't apply to that world and time. Rape is when a person has sex with another person without their consent. Which part of that doesn't apply to Drogo having sex with Dany without her consent? You might as well say our definition of eating doesn't apply to that world and time. It's a fairly simple concept which is pretty universal. Mankind could not exist, there could be no men or women anywhere and rape would still be when a man has sex with a woman (or the other way round) without their consent, it just wouldn't happen much.
It was a woman's duty to marry the man whom the head of her family choose, share the bed with him and get his children and Dany submitted to that duty. So she consented. The world we live in fortunately is just more evolved in that regard and women don't have that duty anymore.
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On May 13 2013 08:44 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 07:29 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:39 Fenrax wrote:On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape. No it is not. Our definitions of rape don't apply to that world and time. Rape is when a person has sex with another person without their consent. Which part of that doesn't apply to Drogo having sex with Dany without her consent? You might as well say our definition of eating doesn't apply to that world and time. It's a fairly simple concept which is pretty universal. Mankind could not exist, there could be no men or women anywhere and rape would still be when a man has sex with a woman (or the other way round) without their consent, it just wouldn't happen much. It was a woman's duty to marry the man whom the head of her family choose, share the bed with him and get his children and Dany submitted to that duty. So she consented. The world we live in fortunately is just more evolved in that regard and women don't have that duty anymore.
big difference between submission and forcing : P She didn't submit, she was forced into it. This is slavery and this is rape.
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What about statutory rape? It's rape in our definition due to the "inability to consent properly," yet in GoT most females are wed off soon after their first period.
What they do is rape by our standards, but the characters don't see it as such. Our definition of rape does not 100% apply to their world and time.
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On May 13 2013 08:53 silencefc wrote:
What about statutory rape? It's rape in our definition due to the "inability to consent properly," yet in GoT most females are wed off soon after their first period.
What they do is rape by our standards, but the characters don't see it as such. Our definition of rape does not 100% apply to their world and time.
Just because someone doesn't know they're a slave doesn't mean they're not a slave and just because someone doesn't understand what they're having happen to them is slavery and rape doesn't mean it's not rape or slavery.
Our definition holds, it just implies their culture is insufficient of understanding it.
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there is also incest, homosexuality, prostitution, infidelity, torture and maybe even animal cruelty if you want in that show. ( anything weird/deviant/disgusting basically )
all we want is moar GRRM tonight!!
we dont care if tv Dany played the hard to get part 2 yrs ago 
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On May 13 2013 07:13 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:55 Zooper31 wrote:On May 13 2013 06:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On May 13 2013 06:29 Highways wrote:
George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies I made a list with a friend of who couldn't die. Tyrion won't ever die. They would lose too much money. Arya is as immuned to anything as a TX terminator. Jon Snow is there forever. I suspect that in the long run he is basically the main character. If there is any. There probably isn't. Daenerys won't die. There is no way we had to endure all those kitsch shit with those horse riding living clichés to have her killed before her dragon and her spread havoc and chaos everywhere. Bran has to live because it wouldn't make any sense for him to die anytime soon. I think he will do big. Jamie needs the redemption crap to carry on. He's as safe as a Swiss safe for the time being. Cercei is to clever and evil to die. Too cool too. I think. I hope. She's hot. Marjorie is too smart to die, period. She has a long career of power hungry evil hypocrite ahead I predict. Sansa might die, but later, since at the moment she is the centre of too many plots. Although... ... that leaves us with those who would die soon... Robb is dead. Joffrey will have also a slow and painful death, at some point. I think Theon has to go at some point. Might have some annoying redemption in the interval. Screw redemptions. Any thought? Add more to the list. Ygritte has kinda confessed her love, saved Jon Snow and gave him his first time with a woman. She might die soon at the hands of one of the wildlings. Tywin pretty much invicible until his heir comes back into safety, Jaime. Jon Snow, too much plot armor and lots more for him to do with the wildling army, he's our only set of eyes over atm. Sam might have some greater purpose but he might also just die randomly. Theon probably going to have a slow death after finally doing meaningful. I know a lot of people would disagree with me but I think at least three characters in GoT have a plot armor. I can't imagine Dany, Tyrion or Bran dying anytime soon. They have their own separate stories that cannot be continued without them and are essential for the whole plot. Jon Snow, Arya and Theon also seem invulnerable at the moment but not as much as these three.
I feel like the Stark kids except for Robb and Rickon (because he is useless) are safe for now and I feel like there will always be at least one represantative from the major houses. Honestly a lot of the characters feel safe. The only character that is in real danger at the moment is Sam. Gendry might be in trouble but he seems special and might take over house Baratheon or at least I hope so because great characters shouldnt be wasted.
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On May 13 2013 09:04 Bowzar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 07:13 Sent. wrote:On May 13 2013 06:55 Zooper31 wrote:On May 13 2013 06:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On May 13 2013 06:29 Highways wrote:
George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies I made a list with a friend of who couldn't die. Tyrion won't ever die. They would lose too much money. Arya is as immuned to anything as a TX terminator. Jon Snow is there forever. I suspect that in the long run he is basically the main character. If there is any. There probably isn't. Daenerys won't die. There is no way we had to endure all those kitsch shit with those horse riding living clichés to have her killed before her dragon and her spread havoc and chaos everywhere. Bran has to live because it wouldn't make any sense for him to die anytime soon. I think he will do big. Jamie needs the redemption crap to carry on. He's as safe as a Swiss safe for the time being. Cercei is to clever and evil to die. Too cool too. I think. I hope. She's hot. Marjorie is too smart to die, period. She has a long career of power hungry evil hypocrite ahead I predict. Sansa might die, but later, since at the moment she is the centre of too many plots. Although... ... that leaves us with those who would die soon... Robb is dead. Joffrey will have also a slow and painful death, at some point. I think Theon has to go at some point. Might have some annoying redemption in the interval. Screw redemptions. Any thought? Add more to the list. Ygritte has kinda confessed her love, saved Jon Snow and gave him his first time with a woman. She might die soon at the hands of one of the wildlings. Tywin pretty much invicible until his heir comes back into safety, Jaime. Jon Snow, too much plot armor and lots more for him to do with the wildling army, he's our only set of eyes over atm. Sam might have some greater purpose but he might also just die randomly. Theon probably going to have a slow death after finally doing meaningful. I know a lot of people would disagree with me but I think at least three characters in GoT have a plot armor. I can't imagine Dany, Tyrion or Bran dying anytime soon. They have their own separate stories that cannot be continued without them and are essential for the whole plot. Jon Snow, Arya and Theon also seem invulnerable at the moment but not as much as these three. I feel like the Stark kids except for Robb and Rickon (because he is useless) are safe for now and I feel like there will always be at least one represantative from the major houses. Honestly a lot of the characters feel safe. The only character that is in real danger at the moment is Sam. Gendry might be in trouble but he seems special and might take over house Baratheon or at least I hope so because great characters shouldnt be wasted.
Rickon must play a role somewhere down the road, there's no way there's a character that useless in the most important family. I think the only reason he hasn't played a large part yet is because he's so young.
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On May 13 2013 08:44 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 07:29 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:39 Fenrax wrote:On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape. No it is not. Our definitions of rape don't apply to that world and time. Rape is when a person has sex with another person without their consent. Which part of that doesn't apply to Drogo having sex with Dany without her consent? You might as well say our definition of eating doesn't apply to that world and time. It's a fairly simple concept which is pretty universal. Mankind could not exist, there could be no men or women anywhere and rape would still be when a man has sex with a woman (or the other way round) without their consent, it just wouldn't happen much. It was a woman's duty to marry the man whom the head of her family choose, share the bed with him and get his children and Dany submitted to that duty. So she consented. The world we live in fortunately is just more evolved in that regard and women don't have that duty anymore.
Then their culture has institutionalised rape. That doesn't mean it's not rape. Hell, we allowed marital rape not so long ago, that was rape too.
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yeah, you're confusing being forced into marriage by an abusive older brother to a widely feared man with consent.
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