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Drogo treats Dany better after she takes charge and rides him  Dothraki respect that kind of strong attitude. I would too! lol
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Fenrax
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It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times.
Unlike her brother he was not violent towards her and later he killed that idiot. She knew that her brother's stupid arrogance forced Drogo to do it so at that time it probably was a plus in her book. She lived a luxurious life and on top of that he looked very good. Another major point was that Dany is power hungry and he had a lot of power.
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On May 13 2013 01:26 KwarK wrote:
How exactly is Robb going to be defeated? Who is going to provide the men for this. Yeah, the Lannisters fucked up the riverlands until Robb got there but the Tullys didn't suffer any major defeats, just had their fields burned. Since then we have seen the army of the Stormlands be destroyed by a combination of the Tyrell's and Lannisters but the Tyrells were only there because Stannis killed Renly and they wanted to make a grab for the throne. They have no issue with Robb, they were on board with the independent north plan back when Renly was still alive. The Reach and Dorne are still unaccounted for but the Reach is controlled by Robb's aunt and his cousin.
Basically the only people actually invested in fighting Robb are the Lannisters who he's currently 3-0 up against and has the support of the Riverlands against. If he made a move on King's Landing then the Tyrells would intervene to protect their claim on the throne but Robb knows that and also knows that the Tyrells have absolutely no desire to invade the north. Meanwhile if Robb goes west with the forces of the Riverlands and the North against the Lannisters I imagine the Tyrells would be quite happy. They might eventually bail out Tywin for a lot of gold but between them they control the throne and what is bad for one is good for the other.
I don't think he will even be defeated. They made a pretty clear point that he was winning all the battles and losing the war. I would say it will keep going like that until he gets killed by someone. And there must be something with the engagement he broke by marrying that medic. In movies, people pay for those shits.
Can't see it ending on a big battle or something. I put my money on a pretty miserable ending, assassination most probably.
I'm rubbish at hints, but I'm quite good at seeing where narrative are evoloving to. Seems like the most logical conclusion. Also for the intrrigue around Sansa to get more interesting, he needs to go, and she wouldn't be the centre of all those marriage plot if the crown was not going to her. Bran is going to be a big deal then.
Also, Tywinn said himself that Robb was a dead man, and that Sansa was the key to the North.
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George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies
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On May 13 2013 06:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Stockholm Syndrome.
Something like that I guess...
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On May 13 2013 06:29 Highways wrote:
George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies
Not Hodor! O.O
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On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times.
That's still rape.
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On May 13 2013 06:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 01:26 KwarK wrote:
How exactly is Robb going to be defeated? Who is going to provide the men for this. Yeah, the Lannisters fucked up the riverlands until Robb got there but the Tullys didn't suffer any major defeats, just had their fields burned. Since then we have seen the army of the Stormlands be destroyed by a combination of the Tyrell's and Lannisters but the Tyrells were only there because Stannis killed Renly and they wanted to make a grab for the throne. They have no issue with Robb, they were on board with the independent north plan back when Renly was still alive. The Reach and Dorne are still unaccounted for but the Reach is controlled by Robb's aunt and his cousin.
Basically the only people actually invested in fighting Robb are the Lannisters who he's currently 3-0 up against and has the support of the Riverlands against. If he made a move on King's Landing then the Tyrells would intervene to protect their claim on the throne but Robb knows that and also knows that the Tyrells have absolutely no desire to invade the north. Meanwhile if Robb goes west with the forces of the Riverlands and the North against the Lannisters I imagine the Tyrells would be quite happy. They might eventually bail out Tywin for a lot of gold but between them they control the throne and what is bad for one is good for the other. I don't think he will even be defeated. They made a pretty clear point that he was winning all the battles and losing the war. I would say it will keep going like that until he gets killed by someone. And there must be something with the engagement he broke by marrying that medic. In movies, people pay for those shits. Can't see it ending on a big battle or something. I put my money on a pretty miserable ending, assassination most probably. I'm rubbish at hints, but I'm quite good at seeing where narrative are evoloving to. Seems like the most logical conclusion. Also for the intrrigue around Sansa to get more interesting, he needs to go, and she wouldn't be the centre of all those marriage plot if the crown was not going to her. Bran is going to be a big deal then. Also, Tywinn said himself that Robb was a dead man, and that Sansa was the key to the North.
Robb probably says Tywin is a dead man too. All that means is that he's planning on killing Robb which isn't much of a spoiler given the whole war thing.
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On May 13 2013 06:35 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On May 13 2013 01:26 KwarK wrote:
How exactly is Robb going to be defeated? Who is going to provide the men for this. Yeah, the Lannisters fucked up the riverlands until Robb got there but the Tullys didn't suffer any major defeats, just had their fields burned. Since then we have seen the army of the Stormlands be destroyed by a combination of the Tyrell's and Lannisters but the Tyrells were only there because Stannis killed Renly and they wanted to make a grab for the throne. They have no issue with Robb, they were on board with the independent north plan back when Renly was still alive. The Reach and Dorne are still unaccounted for but the Reach is controlled by Robb's aunt and his cousin.
Basically the only people actually invested in fighting Robb are the Lannisters who he's currently 3-0 up against and has the support of the Riverlands against. If he made a move on King's Landing then the Tyrells would intervene to protect their claim on the throne but Robb knows that and also knows that the Tyrells have absolutely no desire to invade the north. Meanwhile if Robb goes west with the forces of the Riverlands and the North against the Lannisters I imagine the Tyrells would be quite happy. They might eventually bail out Tywin for a lot of gold but between them they control the throne and what is bad for one is good for the other. I don't think he will even be defeated. They made a pretty clear point that he was winning all the battles and losing the war. I would say it will keep going like that until he gets killed by someone. And there must be something with the engagement he broke by marrying that medic. In movies, people pay for those shits. Can't see it ending on a big battle or something. I put my money on a pretty miserable ending, assassination most probably. I'm rubbish at hints, but I'm quite good at seeing where narrative are evoloving to. Seems like the most logical conclusion. Also for the intrrigue around Sansa to get more interesting, he needs to go, and she wouldn't be the centre of all those marriage plot if the crown was not going to her. Bran is going to be a big deal then. Also, Tywinn said himself that Robb was a dead man, and that Sansa was the key to the North. Robb probably says Tywin is a dead man too.
Robb is a lot less confident, he's desperate even if he doesn't show it. He wasn't doing amazing even before he lost half of his men.
On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape.
Yeah but rape is a social construct. So we can look at it and say it's "rape" from the top of our "better culture". Crazy indigenous people right.
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Fenrax
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On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape.
No it is not. Our definitions of rape don't apply to that world and time.
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On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape.
And slavery.
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On May 13 2013 06:29 Highways wrote:
George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies
I made a list with a friend of who couldn't die.
Tyrion won't ever die. They would lose too much money.
Arya is as immuned to anything as a TX terminator.
Jon Snow is there forever. I suspect that in the long run he is basically the main character. If there is any. There probably isn't.
Daenerys won't die. There is no way we had to endure all those kitsch shit with those horse riding living clichés to have her killed before her dragon and her spread havoc and chaos everywhere.
Bran has to live because it wouldn't make any sense for him to die anytime soon. I think he will do big.
Jamie needs the redemption crap to carry on. He's as safe as a Swiss safe for the time being.
Cercei is to clever and evil to die. Too cool too. I think. I hope. She's hot.
Marjorie is too smart to die, period. She has a long career of power hungry evil hypocrite ahead I predict.
Sansa might die, but later, since at the moment she is the centre of too many plots. Although...
... that leaves us with those who would die soon...
Robb is dead.
Joffrey will have also a slow and painful death, at some point.
I think Theon has to go at some point. Might have some annoying redemption in the interval. Screw redemptions.
Any thought?
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On May 13 2013 06:32 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:29 Highways wrote:
George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies Not Hodor! O.O
Maybe the Mountain? Robb is due to attack Casterly Rock soon after all...
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On May 13 2013 06:36 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:35 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On May 13 2013 01:26 KwarK wrote:
How exactly is Robb going to be defeated? Who is going to provide the men for this. Yeah, the Lannisters fucked up the riverlands until Robb got there but the Tullys didn't suffer any major defeats, just had their fields burned. Since then we have seen the army of the Stormlands be destroyed by a combination of the Tyrell's and Lannisters but the Tyrells were only there because Stannis killed Renly and they wanted to make a grab for the throne. They have no issue with Robb, they were on board with the independent north plan back when Renly was still alive. The Reach and Dorne are still unaccounted for but the Reach is controlled by Robb's aunt and his cousin.
Basically the only people actually invested in fighting Robb are the Lannisters who he's currently 3-0 up against and has the support of the Riverlands against. If he made a move on King's Landing then the Tyrells would intervene to protect their claim on the throne but Robb knows that and also knows that the Tyrells have absolutely no desire to invade the north. Meanwhile if Robb goes west with the forces of the Riverlands and the North against the Lannisters I imagine the Tyrells would be quite happy. They might eventually bail out Tywin for a lot of gold but between them they control the throne and what is bad for one is good for the other. I don't think he will even be defeated. They made a pretty clear point that he was winning all the battles and losing the war. I would say it will keep going like that until he gets killed by someone. And there must be something with the engagement he broke by marrying that medic. In movies, people pay for those shits. Can't see it ending on a big battle or something. I put my money on a pretty miserable ending, assassination most probably. I'm rubbish at hints, but I'm quite good at seeing where narrative are evoloving to. Seems like the most logical conclusion. Also for the intrrigue around Sansa to get more interesting, he needs to go, and she wouldn't be the centre of all those marriage plot if the crown was not going to her. Bran is going to be a big deal then. Also, Tywinn said himself that Robb was a dead man, and that Sansa was the key to the North. Robb probably says Tywin is a dead man too. Robb is a lot less confident, he's desperate even if he doesn't show it. He wasn't doing amazing even before he lost half of his men. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape. Yeah but rape is a social construct. So we can look at it and say it's "rape" from the top of our "better culture". Crazy indigenous people right.
So if we look at another part of the world or another part of history where slavery is the norm then we can't call it rape because they're possessions?
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On May 13 2013 06:35 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On May 13 2013 01:26 KwarK wrote:
How exactly is Robb going to be defeated? Who is going to provide the men for this. Yeah, the Lannisters fucked up the riverlands until Robb got there but the Tullys didn't suffer any major defeats, just had their fields burned. Since then we have seen the army of the Stormlands be destroyed by a combination of the Tyrell's and Lannisters but the Tyrells were only there because Stannis killed Renly and they wanted to make a grab for the throne. They have no issue with Robb, they were on board with the independent north plan back when Renly was still alive. The Reach and Dorne are still unaccounted for but the Reach is controlled by Robb's aunt and his cousin.
Basically the only people actually invested in fighting Robb are the Lannisters who he's currently 3-0 up against and has the support of the Riverlands against. If he made a move on King's Landing then the Tyrells would intervene to protect their claim on the throne but Robb knows that and also knows that the Tyrells have absolutely no desire to invade the north. Meanwhile if Robb goes west with the forces of the Riverlands and the North against the Lannisters I imagine the Tyrells would be quite happy. They might eventually bail out Tywin for a lot of gold but between them they control the throne and what is bad for one is good for the other. I don't think he will even be defeated. They made a pretty clear point that he was winning all the battles and losing the war. I would say it will keep going like that until he gets killed by someone. And there must be something with the engagement he broke by marrying that medic. In movies, people pay for those shits. Can't see it ending on a big battle or something. I put my money on a pretty miserable ending, assassination most probably. I'm rubbish at hints, but I'm quite good at seeing where narrative are evoloving to. Seems like the most logical conclusion. Also for the intrrigue around Sansa to get more interesting, he needs to go, and she wouldn't be the centre of all those marriage plot if the crown was not going to her. Bran is going to be a big deal then. Also, Tywinn said himself that Robb was a dead man, and that Sansa was the key to the North. Robb probably says Tywin is a dead man too. All that means is that he's planning on killing Robb which isn't much of a spoiler given the whole war thing.
That's not the point. If the screenwriter have Tywinn say that Robb is a dead man, that his army is leaving him etc, which happens to be true, and that therefore Sansa will be the heir of the North, it wouldn't make any sense to have Robb survive. Especially when the whole King's Landing plot revolves around marrying Sansa. Which is meaningless with Robb alive.
I am talking from a narrative point of view. That just makes sense.
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On May 13 2013 06:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:32 Conti wrote:On May 13 2013 06:29 Highways wrote:
George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies Not Hodor! O.O Maybe the Mountain? Robb is due to attack Casterly Rock soon after all...
Where the hell is the mountain at the moment, anyways?
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On May 13 2013 06:43 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:36 Djzapz wrote:On May 13 2013 06:35 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On May 13 2013 01:26 KwarK wrote:
How exactly is Robb going to be defeated? Who is going to provide the men for this. Yeah, the Lannisters fucked up the riverlands until Robb got there but the Tullys didn't suffer any major defeats, just had their fields burned. Since then we have seen the army of the Stormlands be destroyed by a combination of the Tyrell's and Lannisters but the Tyrells were only there because Stannis killed Renly and they wanted to make a grab for the throne. They have no issue with Robb, they were on board with the independent north plan back when Renly was still alive. The Reach and Dorne are still unaccounted for but the Reach is controlled by Robb's aunt and his cousin.
Basically the only people actually invested in fighting Robb are the Lannisters who he's currently 3-0 up against and has the support of the Riverlands against. If he made a move on King's Landing then the Tyrells would intervene to protect their claim on the throne but Robb knows that and also knows that the Tyrells have absolutely no desire to invade the north. Meanwhile if Robb goes west with the forces of the Riverlands and the North against the Lannisters I imagine the Tyrells would be quite happy. They might eventually bail out Tywin for a lot of gold but between them they control the throne and what is bad for one is good for the other. I don't think he will even be defeated. They made a pretty clear point that he was winning all the battles and losing the war. I would say it will keep going like that until he gets killed by someone. And there must be something with the engagement he broke by marrying that medic. In movies, people pay for those shits. Can't see it ending on a big battle or something. I put my money on a pretty miserable ending, assassination most probably. I'm rubbish at hints, but I'm quite good at seeing where narrative are evoloving to. Seems like the most logical conclusion. Also for the intrrigue around Sansa to get more interesting, he needs to go, and she wouldn't be the centre of all those marriage plot if the crown was not going to her. Bran is going to be a big deal then. Also, Tywinn said himself that Robb was a dead man, and that Sansa was the key to the North. Robb probably says Tywin is a dead man too. Robb is a lot less confident, he's desperate even if he doesn't show it. He wasn't doing amazing even before he lost half of his men. On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape. Yeah but rape is a social construct. So we can look at it and say it's "rape" from the top of our "better culture". Crazy indigenous people right. So if we look at another part of the world or another part of history where slavery is the norm then we can't call it rape because they're possessions?
Well you can slap your occidental morals on other cultures all you want and judge them negatively from the top of the world where you sit your modern royal ass  .
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On May 13 2013 06:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:29 Highways wrote:
George R Martin episode today!
Hopefully someone big dies I made a list with a friend of who couldn't die. Tyrion won't ever die. They would lose too much money.Arya is as immuned to anything as a TX terminator. Jon Snow is there forever. I suspect that in the long run he is basically the main character. If there is any. There probably isn't. Daenerys won't die. There is no way we had to endure all those kitsch shit with those horse riding living clichés to have her killed before her dragon and her spread havoc and chaos everywhere. Bran has to live because it wouldn't make any sense for him to die anytime soon. I think he will do big. Jamie needs the redemption crap to carry on. He's as safe as a Swiss safe for the time being. Cercei is to clever and evil to die. Too cool too. I think. I hope. She's hot. Marjorie is too smart to die, period. She has a long career of power hungry evil hypocrite ahead I predict. Sansa might die, but later, since at the moment she is the centre of too many plots. Although... ... that leaves us with those who would die soon... Robb is dead. Joffrey will have also a slow and painful death, at some point. I think Theon has to go at some point. Might have some annoying redemption in the interval. Screw redemptions. Any thought?
I don't know that you can use that as a reason. Sean Bean was kind of THE name of the show when it started off. Yes, he's extremely popular, but hell, Ned was the Protagonist, and he was dead before the season was out.
That said, I think it will have to be another Stark, or someone close to them. As much as I hate to see another go, Robb is making too many mistakes, Arya is living really recklessly (Although she and Gendry I think have plot-armor for now), Bran and Rickon are in a very dangerous place (Although, again, those two specifically should have more involved with them down the line), but I think it'll be around one of those three perspectives.
Or Theon, but screw Theon.
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On May 13 2013 06:43 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:36 Djzapz wrote:On May 13 2013 06:35 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On May 13 2013 01:26 KwarK wrote:
How exactly is Robb going to be defeated? Who is going to provide the men for this. Yeah, the Lannisters fucked up the riverlands until Robb got there but the Tullys didn't suffer any major defeats, just had their fields burned. Since then we have seen the army of the Stormlands be destroyed by a combination of the Tyrell's and Lannisters but the Tyrells were only there because Stannis killed Renly and they wanted to make a grab for the throne. They have no issue with Robb, they were on board with the independent north plan back when Renly was still alive. The Reach and Dorne are still unaccounted for but the Reach is controlled by Robb's aunt and his cousin.
Basically the only people actually invested in fighting Robb are the Lannisters who he's currently 3-0 up against and has the support of the Riverlands against. If he made a move on King's Landing then the Tyrells would intervene to protect their claim on the throne but Robb knows that and also knows that the Tyrells have absolutely no desire to invade the north. Meanwhile if Robb goes west with the forces of the Riverlands and the North against the Lannisters I imagine the Tyrells would be quite happy. They might eventually bail out Tywin for a lot of gold but between them they control the throne and what is bad for one is good for the other. I don't think he will even be defeated. They made a pretty clear point that he was winning all the battles and losing the war. I would say it will keep going like that until he gets killed by someone. And there must be something with the engagement he broke by marrying that medic. In movies, people pay for those shits. Can't see it ending on a big battle or something. I put my money on a pretty miserable ending, assassination most probably. I'm rubbish at hints, but I'm quite good at seeing where narrative are evoloving to. Seems like the most logical conclusion. Also for the intrrigue around Sansa to get more interesting, he needs to go, and she wouldn't be the centre of all those marriage plot if the crown was not going to her. Bran is going to be a big deal then. Also, Tywinn said himself that Robb was a dead man, and that Sansa was the key to the North. Robb probably says Tywin is a dead man too. Robb is a lot less confident, he's desperate even if he doesn't show it. He wasn't doing amazing even before he lost half of his men. On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape. Yeah but rape is a social construct. So we can look at it and say it's "rape" from the top of our "better culture". Crazy indigenous people right. So if we look at another part of the world or another part of history where slavery is the norm then we can't call it rape because they're possessions?
who cares about this rape stuff? Seriously.
In modern definition of the word, yes it's rape. For the Dothrakis, seems normal. Period. Let just say that they ain't nice to women.
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On May 13 2013 06:33 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 06:24 Fenrax wrote:
It was not rape imo. She was forced to marry him so it was his right to take her. Different times. That's still rape.
In many countries there is still no law against rape in marriage. In Germany having sex with your wife could not possibly be a crime in any way until 1997.
I think you can even find a passage in the bible where it says that its the duty of man and wife to have sex in the marriage. not sure about the exact wording.. im not that religious.
So this is a fantasy show which is more or less medieval times... and not so long ago rape in marriage wasnt even a thing.
I just say this with no judgement, its just how things were a while back.
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