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On April 02 2013 22:09 KainiT wrote:
How is it possible that Davos survived on that rock? Let alone that he was in the middle of the wildfire explosion, isn't this supposed to be a couple of weeks after the blackwater battle? Seems a little strange to me.
suspend disbelief my friend. but more importantly it never states the time when the next episode takes place and it also never made it implicit where he was in terms of his fleet. but i will admit it is questionable because the pirate captain, forgot his name which makes me ashamed of myself, does state that stannis is already hiding back at his "rock" but this could just mean that stannis is going back to the island rather than explicitly there
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On April 02 2013 22:02 MacDo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 21:48 daemir wrote:
The deserter was still no innocent. Did you see what kind of people Yoren was taking to serve at the wall? Where he got those from? Yea the dungeons. Innocent people don't exactly volunteer for a life sentence at the wall. And? Sam, Jon and more people are in the Night’s Watch they are not criminal. Ned label him has deserter because he could not get back to wall alive. His whole ranger unit got masacred by 1 white walker.
No...Ned labeled him a deserter because he deserted the wall. They caught him well south of the wall (near Winterfell) running for his life. Even though he saw some fucked up shit, that doesn't make him less of a deserter. It doesn't matter what he did to get put on the wall, they forgive that when you get there. But when you desert you forfeit your life, Ned was just upholding the law.
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On April 02 2013 22:13 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:02 MacDo wrote:On April 02 2013 21:48 daemir wrote:
The deserter was still no innocent. Did you see what kind of people Yoren was taking to serve at the wall? Where he got those from? Yea the dungeons. Innocent people don't exactly volunteer for a life sentence at the wall. And? Sam, Jon and more people are in the Night’s Watch they are not criminal. Ned label him has deserter because he could not get back to wall alive. His whole ranger unit got masacred by 1 white walker. No...Ned labeled him a deserter because he deserted the wall. They caught him well south of the wall (near Winterfell) running for his life. Even though he saw some fucked up shit, that doesn't make him less of a deserter. It doesn't matter what he did to get put on the wall, they forgive that when you get there. But when you desert you forfeit your life, Ned was just upholding the law.
Because Winterfell's a close town south of the wall.
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and? he is still a deserter. he clearly passed the wall and kept going. and died for it, rightfully so.
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On April 02 2013 22:13 doner0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:09 KainiT wrote:
How is it possible that Davos survived on that rock? Let alone that he was in the middle of the wildfire explosion, isn't this supposed to be a couple of weeks after the blackwater battle? Seems a little strange to me. suspend disbelief my friend. but more importantly it never states the time when the next episode takes place and it also never made it implicit where he was in terms of his fleet. but i will admit it is questionable because the pirate captain, forgot his name which makes me ashamed of myself, does state that stannis is already hiding back at his "rock" but this could just mean that stannis is going back to the island rather than explicitly there
There were quite a lot of hints on how long the episode is supposed to be after Blackwater, for example when Tyrion complains about his father never visiting, but yes the thing with Stannis already being back at dragonstone is the most striking one as it is in direct relation with Bravos storyline
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Loved this first episode. I'm getting a really good vibe about S3.
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On April 02 2013 22:28 Dreamer.T wrote:
Loved this first episode. I'm getting a really good vibe about S3.
Me too it was really good. As a book reader I hope they stay as far away from the book as possible and just focus on the main characters - for the good of the TV show! Lots more Margaery please she's brilliant.
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On April 02 2013 22:22 MacDo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:13 ZasZ. wrote:On April 02 2013 22:02 MacDo wrote:On April 02 2013 21:48 daemir wrote:
The deserter was still no innocent. Did you see what kind of people Yoren was taking to serve at the wall? Where he got those from? Yea the dungeons. Innocent people don't exactly volunteer for a life sentence at the wall. And? Sam, Jon and more people are in the Night’s Watch they are not criminal. Ned label him has deserter because he could not get back to wall alive. His whole ranger unit got masacred by 1 white walker. No...Ned labeled him a deserter because he deserted the wall. They caught him well south of the wall (near Winterfell) running for his life. Even though he saw some fucked up shit, that doesn't make him less of a deserter. It doesn't matter what he did to get put on the wall, they forgive that when you get there. But when you desert you forfeit your life, Ned was just upholding the law. Because Winterfell's a close town south of the wall.
Winterfell is nowhere near the wall. map
You don't get it. You're not allowed to go south of the wall unless you have express permission to do so. They don't let the members go to Mole's Town for example, but don't enforce it as strongly. This guy completely deserted. He purposely left the wall because he got scared and he was executed by Ned for it. Your argument here is really bad.
When you join the Black you give up everything - your family, your crimes.
If you're arguing at daemir still, yeah, daemir is wrong, but your argument about that is horrible. Ned was completely justified in every way to killing the deserter.
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I'm kinda pissed sam didnt send those ravens, it was his only job ! 
Awesome first episode, im so excited for next week !
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On April 02 2013 22:48 graan wrote:I'm kinda pissed sam didnt send those ravens, it was his only job ! Awesome first episode, im so excited for next week !
I laughed so hard at that moment ... couldn't stop thinking of all those "you only had one job" pictures on the internet ...
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Man, it's been a while. I almost forgot everything.
It's hard to say at this point if Margaery is genuinely benevolent or only faking it. She might be for real. She's ambitious and wants to be the queen, but we haven't seen anything evil out of her. A woman who is both kind and strong seems incompatible with Joffrey, which is probably why Cersei antagonizes her. Sansa was much easier to control.
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Well, she already showed what she will do to become the queen. In season 2 she was very direct to Renly about anything, she might have given in to taking her brother with her and Renly into bed if only it would give her the throne. Mabye she was just saying it to get him mad though. The conversation with Littlefinger did also show, that she is kind of flexible. She is pictured as being more likeable so she must be really evil. See littlefinger. In the end, Cersei has a set morale and codex. She will do anything to protect her children and with that her position of power. That makes her hated but easily calculated. Who knows what Maergery wants beside being Queen.
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On April 02 2013 22:48 graan wrote:I'm kinda pissed sam didnt send those ravens, it was his only job ! Awesome first episode, im so excited for next week !
I don't really know why he was expected to send ravens. He was no where near them when he was surrounded at the end of last season, and as far as we know he did not meet up with any of the other night's watch until he ran into Mormont. No idea why the white walkers let him live when they had him surrounded, but then a lone wight tries to kill Sam at the start of this season. I understand cutting the battle for budget reasons, but having Sam surrounded and the White Walker look directly at him and then inexplicably live was pretty poor writing. They could have at least made it seem like Sam successfully hid or something.
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On April 02 2013 22:43 Blisse wrote:map
Wow, I'd never really taken a look at a map of Westeros before. But looking at it now and knowing that Rob just took Harrenhal, he's ridiculously close to King's Landing compared to how far he is from Winterfell. That's impressive.
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On April 02 2013 22:26 KainiT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:13 doner0 wrote:On April 02 2013 22:09 KainiT wrote:
How is it possible that Davos survived on that rock? Let alone that he was in the middle of the wildfire explosion, isn't this supposed to be a couple of weeks after the blackwater battle? Seems a little strange to me. suspend disbelief my friend. but more importantly it never states the time when the next episode takes place and it also never made it implicit where he was in terms of his fleet. but i will admit it is questionable because the pirate captain, forgot his name which makes me ashamed of myself, does state that stannis is already hiding back at his "rock" but this could just mean that stannis is going back to the island rather than explicitly there There were quite a lot of hints on how long the episode is supposed to be after Blackwater, for example when Tyrion complains about his father never visiting, but yes the thing with Stannis already being back at dragonstone is the most striking one as it is in direct relation with Bravos storyline
Keep in mind (see the map above) that Dragonstone is a small island at the mouth of Blackwater Bay. It's not unusual at all that Stannis could make it back there before Davos is rescued.
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On April 02 2013 23:00 Scorch wrote:
Man, it's been a while. I almost forgot everything.
It's hard to say at this point if Margaery is genuinely benevolent or only faking it. She might be for real. She's ambitious and wants to be the queen, but we haven't seen anything evil out of her. A woman who is both kind and strong seems incompatible with Joffrey, which is probably why Cersei antagonizes her. Sansa was much easier to control.
Not to mention intelligent  She obviously doesn't care about Joffrey at all, it's just a means to an end for her.
On April 02 2013 23:20 dudeman001 wrote:Wow, I'd never really taken a look at a map of Westeros before. But looking at it now and knowing that Rob just took Harrenhal, he's ridiculously close to King's Landing compared to how far he is from Winterfell. That's impressive.
Looking at those pictures it looks a hell of a lot like England and France. And the Romans built a wall to keep the Scots out... Yeah there's lots of similarities. I'm sure I'm stating the obvious and you all already know that, but I've only just realised!
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On April 02 2013 23:20 dudeman001 wrote:Wow, I'd never really taken a look at a map of Westeros before. But looking at it now and knowing that Rob just took Harrenhal, he's ridiculously close to King's Landing compared to how far he is from Winterfell. That's impressive.
Robert Baratheon DID say that Ned's kingdom was bigger than the other 6 put together.
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On April 02 2013 23:18 karazax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 22:48 graan wrote:I'm kinda pissed sam didnt send those ravens, it was his only job ! Awesome first episode, im so excited for next week ! I don't really know why he was expected to send ravens. He was no where near them when he was surrounded at the end of last season, and as far as we know he did not meet up with any of the other night's watch until he ran into Mormont. No idea why the white walkers let him live when they had him surrounded, but then a lone wight tries to kill Sam at the start of this season. I understand cutting the battle for budget reasons, but having Sam surrounded and the White Walker look directly at him and then inexplicably live was pretty poor writing. They could have at least made it seem like Sam successfully hid or something.
I thought the Walkers led him live to tell 'they are back'.
I'm now under the impression, after this episode, that in the scene its the first time he caught up with the rangers, meaning he just run in fear and didnt went back directly to the camp and send the ravens, which was his job at the wall, wasnt it?
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On April 02 2013 23:35 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 23:00 Scorch wrote:
Man, it's been a while. I almost forgot everything.
It's hard to say at this point if Margaery is genuinely benevolent or only faking it. She might be for real. She's ambitious and wants to be the queen, but we haven't seen anything evil out of her. A woman who is both kind and strong seems incompatible with Joffrey, which is probably why Cersei antagonizes her. Sansa was much easier to control. Not to mention intelligent She obviously doesn't care about Joffrey at all, it's just a means to an end for her. Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 23:20 dudeman001 wrote:On April 02 2013 22:43 Blisse wrote:map Wow, I'd never really taken a look at a map of Westeros before. But looking at it now and knowing that Rob just took Harrenhal, he's ridiculously close to King's Landing compared to how far he is from Winterfell. That's impressive. Looking at those pictures it looks a hell of a lot like England and France. And the Romans built a wall to keep the Scots out... Yeah there's lots of similarities. I'm sure I'm stating the obvious and you all already know that, but I've only just realised!
I do believe I remember G.R.R saying the top half of westeros is modeled after ireland upside down or something. I'm sure the rest is inspired by real world areas as well.
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On April 02 2013 23:20 dudeman001 wrote:Wow, I'd never really taken a look at a map of Westeros before. But looking at it now and knowing that Rob just took Harrenhal, he's ridiculously close to King's Landing compared to how far he is from Winterfell. That's impressive.
I think you would like this Map better, It helped me more the way daenerys took from Pentos to Quarth and now with boat to Astapor in Slaver's bay. (I noticed many people think that she is close to Westeros)
Note: This is not a official map, but speculative by the books, so this map includes all known cities, but does not contain spoilers from what I found for the eyes who only saw the series.
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