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All book discussion in this thread is now allowed.
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
December 03 2012 05:47 GMT
#12261
Kit Harington and Alfie Allen are the only ones that read the books, as far as I know.
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
December 03 2012 10:05 GMT
#12262
On December 03 2012 14:47 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Kit Harington and Alfie Allen are the only ones that read the books, as far as I know.


Emilia Clarke says she's reading the books, but trying to not get too far ahead of where she actually is in the series, to avoid having that influence her acting.
memes are a dish best served dank
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
December 03 2012 16:34 GMT
#12263
Honestly I thought season 2 was a big disappointment compared to season 1. There were some great moments, but they really twisted the book's story line and not for the better. Episode 9 was mostly great, the rest was a really mixed bag of good and bad stuff, with the Dany and Jon Snow story lines really coming off as lacking.

Dany's almost came off like a parody with some of her lines. A part that really stuck out is when she is starving in the desert and says she and her people will die if they don't get let into the city, then threatens to come back when her dragons are grown and burn the city to the ground when they are refused entrance.... Which would be pretty hard to do after they starved.

I'm hopeful that with more screen time they can improve things, but I'm a lot more doubtful than I was after season 1.
MicroTastiC
Profile Joined January 2011
375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 16:37:38
December 03 2012 16:37 GMT
#12264
this show sucked in the last season imo. i dont understand why thyere not following to the book story line. such a huge letdown.
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
December 03 2012 17:16 GMT
#12265
On December 04 2012 01:37 MicroTastiC wrote:
this show sucked in the last season imo. i dont understand why thyere not following to the book story line. such a huge letdown.

Stop lying about such things. They are following the book story line.
The fact that they're adapting things to tv is widely considered as ok, there's only a few storylines where change seems unnecessary (mainly robb+wife) and they rightfully got criticized for that. So pretending that they would not be "following to the book story line" is just aimed at creating hatred or is a statement by someone, who hasn't watched the show at all.
OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
December 03 2012 17:36 GMT
#12266
On December 04 2012 02:16 TigerKarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 01:37 MicroTastiC wrote:
this show sucked in the last season imo. i dont understand why thyere not following to the book story line. such a huge letdown.

Stop lying about such things. They are following the book story line.
The fact that they're adapting things to tv is widely considered as ok, there's only a few storylines where change seems unnecessary (mainly robb+wife) and they rightfully got criticized for that. So pretending that they would not be "following to the book story line" is just aimed at creating hatred or is a statement by someone, who hasn't watched the show at all.


I felt the Qarth part was really strange compared to the books.

However, I don't really care about the differences, I can eat the cake and have it too, since I can read the books and watch the series as two seperate things.
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
December 03 2012 17:36 GMT
#12267
There are some major changes.
Syndic
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland18 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 18:36:34
December 03 2012 18:33 GMT
#12268
On December 04 2012 01:37 MicroTastiC wrote:
this show sucked in the last season imo. i dont understand why thyere not following to the book story line. such a huge letdown.


Because it is an adaption. Every movie/series of a book is one. If you bring a book, especially such a big series of doorstopers like A Song of Ice and Fire to the big (or small) picture they have to face a lot of restrictions which an authors simply does not have:

Time
In one season they have 10h screen time. The audiobook of A Game of Thrones alone has 33h and A Storm of Swords (Book 3) reaches 47h. They have to cut and condense to bring it all under one hood. And from Book 4 onward they have to bring the whole timeline together which are split in Book 4 and the beginning of Book 5.

Money
Imagination is cheap. It costs GRRM nothing to describe 30'000's of soldiers on each side of the Battle of Blackwater. Game of Thrones has a huge budget but it is not infinite. CGI alone is very expensive and even "normal" stuff like horses gets really expensive. That is one reason they did not show the first battle of Tyrion (where he got knocked down in the series).

Non Readers don't have as much patience
They have to keep the audience interested. Some things which work in books just don't translate so well into moving pictures. This includes flashbacks or thoughts for example. Damn I would LOVE to see the Tower of Joy scene in the series, but I understand why it would confuse non readers.

Imaginations differ a lot
And most importantly books live by your own imagination. You imagine how people and places look. But each of us has a different picture in mind. It is simple impossible to please everyone. That is the reason it is called an adaption. View it as the books from the view of the David Benioff and Daniel Weiss. And on top of that they have to combine this fact with the 3 restrictions above.

The HBO series is based on the books but they are not a 1:1 retell and should not be judged as such. View it like a alternate timeline. And I don't say that they do everything how I imagined it, but it is their story and till now I enjoyed a lot of it.
Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
December 03 2012 19:47 GMT
#12269
On December 04 2012 02:16 TigerKarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 01:37 MicroTastiC wrote:
this show sucked in the last season imo. i dont understand why thyere not following to the book story line. such a huge letdown.

Stop lying about such things. They are following the book story line.
The fact that they're adapting things to tv is widely considered as ok, there's only a few storylines where change seems unnecessary (mainly robb+wife) and they rightfully got criticized for that. So pretending that they would not be "following to the book story line" is just aimed at creating hatred or is a statement by someone, who hasn't watched the show at all.


I had to double check which thread I'm in. This is close to belonging in the other one and I wouldn't particularly disagree with a mod who came by and told us to move. This is one of those third thread situations the asoiaf/got discussions sometimes get into.

They did change the Dany and Arya stories, and the Dany and Arya characters, in ways that go beyond adaptations to the screen and for the screen audience. The one you mention is of course also 'unnecessary' by this definition.

Most of the "they changed it!" whining is just what you say though, whining over details when the story was not meaningfully changed. 'A bit different but still good' and a bit bemused by the stance that holds any difference to be automatically bad is my stance.




I mean, WTF is this blip at the end of the season 3 development video? Those two are fighting on top of a bridge OVER a ravine/gully? PITCHFORKS! I'll try to calm down and hope that was a rehearsal; surely someone lent mr. Coster-Waldau a hand with that costume so they could relocate to the proper spot for the real shoot.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 19:59:29
December 03 2012 19:59 GMT
#12270
On December 04 2012 04:47 Irrelevant Label wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 02:16 TigerKarl wrote:
On December 04 2012 01:37 MicroTastiC wrote:
this show sucked in the last season imo. i dont understand why thyere not following to the book story line. such a huge letdown.

Stop lying about such things. They are following the book story line.
The fact that they're adapting things to tv is widely considered as ok, there's only a few storylines where change seems unnecessary (mainly robb+wife) and they rightfully got criticized for that. So pretending that they would not be "following to the book story line" is just aimed at creating hatred or is a statement by someone, who hasn't watched the show at all.


I had to double check which thread I'm in. This is close to belonging in the other one and I wouldn't particularly disagree with a mod who came by and told us to move. This is one of those third thread situations the asoiaf/got discussions sometimes get into.

They did change the Dany and Arya stories, and the Dany and Arya characters, in ways that go beyond adaptations to the screen and for the screen audience. The one you mention is of course also 'unnecessary' by this definition.

Most of the "they changed it!" whining is just what you say though, whining over details when the story was not meaningfully changed. 'A bit different but still good' and a bit bemused by the stance that holds any difference to be automatically bad is my stance.




I mean, WTF is this blip at the end of the season 3 development video? Those two are fighting on top of a bridge OVER a ravine/gully? PITCHFORKS! I'll try to calm down and hope that was a rehearsal; surely someone lent mr. Coster-Waldau a hand with that costume so they could relocate to the proper spot for the real shoot.


I don't think that any change is automaticly bad, or expect a word for word translation. Most of the changes in episode 9 made sense considering the TV budget and time constraints for example even though there were some big changes there too. Most of season 1 was fairly faithful and with a few exceptions I though the changes made sense or were forgiveable given the limitations of TV. There are other changes that I disliked alot, especially in season 2, that I don't feel can just be dismissed because of the limitations of TV.

That being said, any further discussion, particularly of details should probably move to the other thread, because we can't really discuss in any more detail than we have without listing them.
feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
December 03 2012 21:18 GMT
#12271
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I am pretty sure we need to get this on the opening post. Its pretty fricken awesome
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
December 03 2012 21:40 GMT
#12272
On December 04 2012 01:34 karazax wrote:
Honestly I thought season 2 was a big disappointment compared to season 1. There were some great moments, but they really twisted the book's story line and not for the better. Episode 9 was mostly great, the rest was a really mixed bag of good and bad stuff, with the Dany and Jon Snow story lines really coming off as lacking.

Dany's almost came off like a parody with some of her lines. A part that really stuck out is when she is starving in the desert and says she and her people will die if they don't get let into the city, then threatens to come back when her dragons are grown and burn the city to the ground when they are refused entrance.... Which would be pretty hard to do after they starved.

I'm hopeful that with more screen time they can improve things, but I'm a lot more doubtful than I was after season 1.

I didn't like the changes to Jon's story but considering that a lot of readers found Dany's storyline too stagnant, I'm glad they've decided to have a more eventful story for her.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
December 03 2012 22:16 GMT
#12273
Guys, move this to the SPOILER thread. I really shouldn't have to say this. Again.
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
December 04 2012 17:48 GMT
#12274
Soon . . .
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
December 04 2012 18:54 GMT
#12275
blizzard soon!
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malaan
Profile Joined September 2010
365 Posts
December 05 2012 00:25 GMT
#12276
not sure if this has been posted yet?

but oh well...
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
December 05 2012 15:15 GMT
#12277
It was posted already but might as well talk about it after the thread derailment.

Costume design is marvelous. I love how they gave Edmure Tully and The Blackfish scale armor to go with Tully's house sigil. I'm also impressed that they managed to make someone as small and petite as Emilia Clarke look threatening.
sninja
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland207 Posts
December 06 2012 01:11 GMT
#12278
I completely second the post above - the way they have depicted some characters is simply outstanding.
loveless11
Profile Joined December 2012
Belgium3 Posts
December 06 2012 01:28 GMT
#12279
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Harto
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark17 Posts
December 07 2012 16:49 GMT
#12280
Man i cant effin wait for this. Im watching the next season, and then im swallowing the books
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