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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
Can you please fucking remove the the quote which is the spoiler? You're even worse ... Edit: There was a big issue with my grammar :D | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On May 07 2012 09:17 Zocat wrote: I agree. I think there are limitations (or Arya is safe to assume limitations ("Three lives _I_ give you") since magic seems to be rare (black smoke guy). So it needs to be someone he has (physical) access to. "Kill Jeoffrey" "Kill the guy who murdered my father" (the mountain?) Would be sooo easy ways out. If I was in her position I'd still try to be unreasonable just to see what the limitations are. Then again, I'm not 12 years old nor in a situation of extreme emotional stress. Also, if I'm remembering correctly, Ser Ilyn Payne (tongueless guy) was the executioner for Ned Stark. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On May 07 2012 09:34 dcemuser wrote: If I was in her position I'd still try to be unreasonable just to see what the limitations are. Also, if I'm remembering correctly, Ser Ilyn Payne (tongueless guy) was the executioner for Ned Stark. Really? I'd at least ask if there are limitations. Though we would probably differ "Kill X" and I'd say "Can I request the killing of X?" Even though his cryptic answers are cryptic  Even then - it would seem to be "supernatural". So my inquiry would depend of if something supernatural is normal in the world or not - and not just stuff from legends (white walkers) And I'm probably wrong about the Mountain executing Ned. I'm so bad with names :D So if you say it was Ser Ilyn Payne it was probably him (though I dont even recognize that name). The whole show is just throwing names left & right (to quote Khaldor) at you. | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On May 07 2012 09:40 Zocat wrote: Really? I'd at least ask if there are limitations. Though we would probably differ "Kill X" and I'd say "Can I request the killing of X?" Even though his cryptic answers are cryptic Even then - it would seem to be "supernatural". So my inquiry would depend of if something supernatural is normal in the world or not - and not just stuff from legends (white walkers) And I'm probably wrong about the Mountain executing Ned. I'm so bad with names :D So if you say it was Ser Ilyn Payne it was probably him (though I dont even recognize that name). The whole show is just throwing names left & right (to quote Khaldor) at you. It seems people believe magic is mostly gone, so I doubt Arya would suspect he would use magic. Whether magic exists is irrelevant (some magic at least seems to exist, but not widespread, and that it used to exist long ago seems to be common knowledge). It is my understanding that from Arya's point of view he would TRY to kill anyone she named from some twisted religion or sense of duty. If she named Tywin he would likely try, but fail (at least that is what Arya likely believes). Also Arya is clever, but still a very emotional child in a situation where slow rational thinking is hard. | ||
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
On May 07 2012 09:34 dcemuser wrote: If I was in her position I'd still try to be unreasonable just to see what the limitations are. Then again, I'm not 12 years old nor in a situation of extreme emotional stress. Also, if I'm remembering correctly, Ser Ilyn Payne (tongueless guy) was the executioner for Ned Stark. I guess I would just chalk it up to her being 12 years old, a child, and unable to view the bigger picture? Still, the reason I asked the question (and apparently started a shitstorm) was because the Arya-Tywin scene was so compelling and real that I literally felt the hatred emanating from Arya's character....and I would have expected Arya to really say his name because the scenes were right next to each other...like, right after she left Twin's castle she met Jacquen. | ||
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theBullFrog
United States515 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + spoil User was warned for this post | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On May 07 2012 11:11 p4NDemik wrote: Fucking Warlocks I knew they were no good the second they said "Mothaaa of Dragonnnsss" like the weird freaks they are. Wonder what kind of messed up rituals they have planned. they're probably gonna try to mind control of the dragons and get their wrinkly faces flamed off hopefully | ||
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ShakaZu.Sc2
United States131 Posts
On May 07 2012 11:07 1Eris1 wrote: That has to have been the worst episode yet. No. Best episode yet? Maybe. I went from really liking Theon to despising him in about 12 seconds. Oh and then girl Jon may/may not hook up with was way too hot to be a Wildling imo, but oh well I'm not complaining  | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On May 07 2012 11:07 1Eris1 wrote: That has to have been the worst episode yet. The opening scene was pretty good. Theon is really getting exposed even more as foolhardy, overconfident and proud to the point of neglecting reason. He expected Maester Luwin to just obey his order? After what he's done, for all we know there was no Raven sent to Yara and Balon, and there are no reinforcements incoming. In fact I fully expect that there is no raven. The idea that he would delegate this task to someone he just forcefully conquered is a joke. Theon is beyond saving now. Even if Balon learns of his son's taking Winterfell I somehow expect him to not send help and for Theon to meet the edge of Robb's sword in the season finale. The scene with Lord Baelish and Tywin at the table was good, created some good tension. Seemed like he recognized her, which should make Arya's little adventure even more interesting. I expect him to go back to Tyrion saying that he knows where she is and will divulge the information at a price. Jon's scenes were pretty good / funny even if he is an idiot for letting the wildling escape and having to chase her down. Daenerys' scene was a bit weak but continued to emphasize she has a lot to learn about what she is going to need to do to win her throne back. The episode didn't stand out very much, but saying it's the worst episode yet ... I don't know its so tough to say stuff like this at a whim immediately after it finishes. Seems to me until the season is over and we know why they constructed the episode like they did it's a bit hasty to jump to judgement. | ||
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Elegance
Canada917 Posts
On May 07 2012 11:07 1Eris1 wrote: That has to have been the worst episode yet. If you are talking about episode 5, I'd have to agree. In terms of little things it's done well (as with all episodes) but there is nothing BIG happening there. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
TV shows are meant to be consumed by watching an entire season, and its fair to say "the arcs of Season 2 of 'The Wire' were weak in comparison to the rest." If you get into saying a specific episode sucked you'll obviously find episodes in the middle of every season of every television show that aren't as exciting because they are acting as a introductions to characters, exposition, and rising actions. They are intended to not be as good as the climax because that's how dramatic structure works. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On May 07 2012 11:25 p4NDemik wrote: The opening scene was pretty good. Theon is really getting exposed even more as foolhardy, overconfident and proud to the point of neglecting reason. He expected Maester Luwin to just obey his order? After what he's done, for all we know there was no Raven sent to Yara and Balon, and there are no reinforcements incoming. In fact I fully expect that there is no raven. The idea that he would delegate this task to someone he just forcefully conquered is a joke. Theon is beyond saving now. Even if Balon learns of his son's taking Winterfell I somehow expect him to not send help and for Theon to meet the edge of Robb's sword in the season finale. The scene with Lord Baelish and Tywin at the table was good, created some good tension. Seemed like he recognized her, which should make Arya's little adventure even more interesting. I expect him to go back to Tyrion saying that he knows where she is and will divulge the information at a price. Jon's scenes were pretty good / funny even if he is an idiot for letting the wildling escape and having to chase her down. Daenerys' scene was a bit weak but continued to emphasize she has a lot to learn about what she is going to need to do to win her throne back. The episode didn't stand out very much, but saying it's the worst episode yet ... I don't know its so tough to say stuff like this at a whim immediately after it finishes. Seems to me until the season is over and we know why they constructed the episode like they did it's a bit hasty to jump to judgement. The opening scene was bad because they basically jumped a whole sequence. How did Theon travel so far in one episode, and how did he take the castle? Petyr(how exactly did he travel that far as well?)+Tywin was good, but the entire Arya+Jaqen interaction afterwords was really shoddy, especially the killing itself. Basically Jaqen is either Usain Bolt, or he can teleport. Daenary's scene was okay but seemed a bit random and unlikely. It's almost like they wanted to just throw something in there to keep her story relevant. I thought Jon's scene's were full of really bad acting. And the resulting outcome is sooooooooo easy to see right now. I dunno, I felt the entire thing was really rushed too. | ||
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SergioCQH
United States143 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On May 07 2012 11:45 1Eris1 wrote: The opening scene was bad because they basically jumped a whole sequence. How did Theon travel so far in one episode, and how did he take the castle? Petyr(how exactly did he travel that far as well?)+Tywin was good, but the entire Arya+Jaqen interaction afterwords was really shoddy, especially the killing itself. Basically Jaqen is either Usain Bolt, or he can teleport. Daenary's scene was okay but seemed a bit random and unlikely. It's almost like they wanted to just throw something in there to keep her story relevant. I thought Jon's scene's were full of really bad acting. And the resulting outcome is sooooooooo easy to see right now. I dunno, I felt the entire thing was really rushed too. I didn't know there needed to be a set amount of time that could pass between episodes. Besides Theon discussed his plans last episode, saying that Winterfell "wasn't far from Torrhen's Square," which made it pretty obvious that he was going to be taking Winterfell either this episode or at the latest the next. He may have even specifically stated how many days march it was between the two but you'd have to go back and watch. He also said how he took the place "we used grapling hooks and scaled your walls," and once he was in there was no garrison and no resistance. Petyr Baelish is the correct spelling iirc. Arya + Jaqen and the second killing was weak and obviously felt rushed because it was in fact rushed. We lost an unimportant character where we had expecting to see some important heads roll, all in all pretty disappointing, I agree, but as the Stones say "you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you just might find you get what you need." It didn't really strike me as implausible that he could kill the illiterate dude before he got to Tywin. Harrenhal is the largest castle in all of Westros, and just because there was only a few minutes of screen time separating the scenes when Arya stole the note and read it doesn't mean she wasn't all the way across the castle when she ran into the dude. I've mentioned Daenerys scene, and beyond it cementing her lack of tact about how she is going to get the means to take back her throne that scene served a very practical purpose that you didn't mention: they needed her to be out running some kind of errand while the dragons were stolen. Otherwise, no mystery, and likely, no more Dany. I thought the scene where Jon and the wildling were discussing how to keep warm was fucking hilarious. The failed execution scene, I don't know maybe I was lost in the moment and didn't notice shoddy acting, what were your gripes so I can look for them upon my second viewing? About the entire episode being rushed, I didn't get that feeling at all really, just that one scene with Arya. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
Actually, rereading your comments and thinking about it, I probably am being a bit too harsh. I'm letting several unrelated factors get in the way, so I suppose it's not completely fair to judge based on those. Regarding being rushed, I suppose the better statement would have been that this entire season feels rushed. Obviously there are a ton of seperate storylines to follow, but I feel there are a lot of unnecessary scenes (scenes that may be cool, but in the grand retrospect only repeat things already said or bring nothing new to the table) and yet they still try keep every single aspect of their plot in tact. And generally, if I find myself bursting into laughter at something that's not supposed to be funny, it's probably bad acting or writing. Like that "getting warm" scene  | ||
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Sub40APM
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even real vikings didnt do that kind of crap! And these are crappy, faux vikings. | ||
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