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On May 05 2012 16:33 Rhine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 15:47 StyLeD wrote:On May 05 2012 14:13 hzflank wrote:On May 05 2012 13:50 Cuh wrote:
So I just seen the last episode, can someone elighten me on who was killed at the end? And does she get two more men to have killed?
The Tickler was killed at the end. The Ticker was previously shown as the director of the torture that Arya saw happening in Harrenhal. The Tickler was a knight in service of The Mountain. Jaqen told Arya that she must give him exactly three names. The Tickler was the first name, so presumably she has two more names to give. This whole section of story is done very differently in the books, so I really cant elaborate any more than that. So someone mentioned non-book readers wouldn't get why Arya didn't just say Tywin or Geoffrey's names, or even the 3 of the however-many-there-are kings fighting for the crown.....can someone explain? Well, she's just a kid. Also, i don't think she was convinced that the guy would really kill just anyone. I mean, how could a random dude kill the king who is miles away, for instance. The Tickler was maybe the first "easy" target that came into her head. He's done awful things to the prisoners. I agree it seems kind of weird, but I think she just wasn't convinced + she's not exactly mature enough right now.
My impression of Arya throughout the show has been that of a clever kid. Could the Man kill anyone or not it probably wouldn't be wise to take the chance with Tywin and then have your cover blown. Tickler was a much safer choice.
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On May 05 2012 21:28 HwangjaeTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 16:33 Rhine wrote:On May 05 2012 15:47 StyLeD wrote:On May 05 2012 14:13 hzflank wrote:On May 05 2012 13:50 Cuh wrote:
So I just seen the last episode, can someone elighten me on who was killed at the end? And does she get two more men to have killed?
The Tickler was killed at the end. The Ticker was previously shown as the director of the torture that Arya saw happening in Harrenhal. The Tickler was a knight in service of The Mountain. Jaqen told Arya that she must give him exactly three names. The Tickler was the first name, so presumably she has two more names to give. This whole section of story is done very differently in the books, so I really cant elaborate any more than that. So someone mentioned non-book readers wouldn't get why Arya didn't just say Tywin or Geoffrey's names, or even the 3 of the however-many-there-are kings fighting for the crown.....can someone explain? Well, she's just a kid. Also, i don't think she was convinced that the guy would really kill just anyone. I mean, how could a random dude kill the king who is miles away, for instance. The Tickler was maybe the first "easy" target that came into her head. He's done awful things to the prisoners. I agree it seems kind of weird, but I think she just wasn't convinced + she's not exactly mature enough right now. My impression of Arya throughout the show has been that of a clever kid. Could the Man kill anyone or not it probably wouldn't be wise to take the chance with Tywin and then have your cover blown. Tickler was a much safer choice.
Yeah she does seem to be pretty smart, i'm conflicted about if shes going to cho0se Tywin casue well if he did die (lol? so easy like the shadow?) but like someone said it might be a trick to get her to show her true colours (tywin might expect something as she gave him that death stare and plus shes from the north) I wonder how shes gonna get out of this camp, maybe she uses the 2 deaths left, to kill some guards or something so the prisoners can break free or something?? cause she does need to get out of there before tywin discovers her
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On May 05 2012 21:39 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 21:28 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On May 05 2012 16:33 Rhine wrote:On May 05 2012 15:47 StyLeD wrote:On May 05 2012 14:13 hzflank wrote:On May 05 2012 13:50 Cuh wrote:
So I just seen the last episode, can someone elighten me on who was killed at the end? And does she get two more men to have killed?
The Tickler was killed at the end. The Ticker was previously shown as the director of the torture that Arya saw happening in Harrenhal. The Tickler was a knight in service of The Mountain. Jaqen told Arya that she must give him exactly three names. The Tickler was the first name, so presumably she has two more names to give. This whole section of story is done very differently in the books, so I really cant elaborate any more than that. So someone mentioned non-book readers wouldn't get why Arya didn't just say Tywin or Geoffrey's names, or even the 3 of the however-many-there-are kings fighting for the crown.....can someone explain? Well, she's just a kid. Also, i don't think she was convinced that the guy would really kill just anyone. I mean, how could a random dude kill the king who is miles away, for instance. The Tickler was maybe the first "easy" target that came into her head. He's done awful things to the prisoners. I agree it seems kind of weird, but I think she just wasn't convinced + she's not exactly mature enough right now. My impression of Arya throughout the show has been that of a clever kid. Could the Man kill anyone or not it probably wouldn't be wise to take the chance with Tywin and then have your cover blown. Tickler was a much safer choice. Yeah she does seem to be pretty smart, i'm conflicted about if shes going to cho0se Tywin casue well if he did die (lol? so easy like the shadow?) but like someone said it might be a trick to get her to show her true colours (tywin might expect something as she gave him that death stare and plus shes from the north) I wonder how shes gonna get out of this camp, maybe she uses the 2 deaths left, to kill some guards or something so the prisoners can break free or something?? cause she does need to get out of there before tywin discovers her
I'd say Tywin is probably as expendable as Ned Stark was in season one. His children (and grandchildren) are really the focus of that side of the family. I definitely feel like he's a viable target. That said, he wasn't -as- involved in the beheading of Ned as some of the other people, so he might not be on Arya's radar, since right now she seems more motivated by feelings of revenge, rather than helping out her brother win the war. (In fact, she seemed very surprised to learn that her brother even was in war against the Lannisters).
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On May 05 2012 21:59 OrchidThief wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 21:39 Shock710 wrote:On May 05 2012 21:28 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On May 05 2012 16:33 Rhine wrote:On May 05 2012 15:47 StyLeD wrote:On May 05 2012 14:13 hzflank wrote:On May 05 2012 13:50 Cuh wrote:
So I just seen the last episode, can someone elighten me on who was killed at the end? And does she get two more men to have killed?
The Tickler was killed at the end. The Ticker was previously shown as the director of the torture that Arya saw happening in Harrenhal. The Tickler was a knight in service of The Mountain. Jaqen told Arya that she must give him exactly three names. The Tickler was the first name, so presumably she has two more names to give. This whole section of story is done very differently in the books, so I really cant elaborate any more than that. So someone mentioned non-book readers wouldn't get why Arya didn't just say Tywin or Geoffrey's names, or even the 3 of the however-many-there-are kings fighting for the crown.....can someone explain? Well, she's just a kid. Also, i don't think she was convinced that the guy would really kill just anyone. I mean, how could a random dude kill the king who is miles away, for instance. The Tickler was maybe the first "easy" target that came into her head. He's done awful things to the prisoners. I agree it seems kind of weird, but I think she just wasn't convinced + she's not exactly mature enough right now. My impression of Arya throughout the show has been that of a clever kid. Could the Man kill anyone or not it probably wouldn't be wise to take the chance with Tywin and then have your cover blown. Tickler was a much safer choice. Yeah she does seem to be pretty smart, i'm conflicted about if shes going to cho0se Tywin casue well if he did die (lol? so easy like the shadow?) but like someone said it might be a trick to get her to show her true colours (tywin might expect something as she gave him that death stare and plus shes from the north) I wonder how shes gonna get out of this camp, maybe she uses the 2 deaths left, to kill some guards or something so the prisoners can break free or something?? cause she does need to get out of there before tywin discovers her I'd say Tywin is probably as expendable as Ned Stark was in season one. His children (and grandchildren) are really the focus of that side of the family. I definitely feel like he's a viable target. That said, he wasn't -as- involved in the beheading of Ned as some of the other people, so he might not be on Arya's radar, since right now she seems more motivated by feelings of revenge, rather than helping out her brother win the war. (In fact, she seemed very surprised to learn that her brother even was in war against the Lannisters).
If I got this series (and GRRM) right, everyone is expendable 
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On May 05 2012 21:59 OrchidThief wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 21:39 Shock710 wrote:On May 05 2012 21:28 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On May 05 2012 16:33 Rhine wrote:On May 05 2012 15:47 StyLeD wrote:On May 05 2012 14:13 hzflank wrote:On May 05 2012 13:50 Cuh wrote:
So I just seen the last episode, can someone elighten me on who was killed at the end? And does she get two more men to have killed?
The Tickler was killed at the end. The Ticker was previously shown as the director of the torture that Arya saw happening in Harrenhal. The Tickler was a knight in service of The Mountain. Jaqen told Arya that she must give him exactly three names. The Tickler was the first name, so presumably she has two more names to give. This whole section of story is done very differently in the books, so I really cant elaborate any more than that. So someone mentioned non-book readers wouldn't get why Arya didn't just say Tywin or Geoffrey's names, or even the 3 of the however-many-there-are kings fighting for the crown.....can someone explain? Well, she's just a kid. Also, i don't think she was convinced that the guy would really kill just anyone. I mean, how could a random dude kill the king who is miles away, for instance. The Tickler was maybe the first "easy" target that came into her head. He's done awful things to the prisoners. I agree it seems kind of weird, but I think she just wasn't convinced + she's not exactly mature enough right now. My impression of Arya throughout the show has been that of a clever kid. Could the Man kill anyone or not it probably wouldn't be wise to take the chance with Tywin and then have your cover blown. Tickler was a much safer choice. Yeah she does seem to be pretty smart, i'm conflicted about if shes going to cho0se Tywin casue well if he did die (lol? so easy like the shadow?) but like someone said it might be a trick to get her to show her true colours (tywin might expect something as she gave him that death stare and plus shes from the north) I wonder how shes gonna get out of this camp, maybe she uses the 2 deaths left, to kill some guards or something so the prisoners can break free or something?? cause she does need to get out of there before tywin discovers her I'd say Tywin is probably as expendable as Ned Stark was in season one. His children (and grandchildren) are really the focus of that side of the family. I definitely feel like he's a viable target. That said, he wasn't -as- involved in the beheading of Ned as some of the other people, so he might not be on Arya's radar, since right now she seems more motivated by feelings of revenge, rather than helping out her brother win the war. (In fact, she seemed very surprised to learn that her brother even was in war against the Lannisters).
Tywin's death would complicate things a lot in King's Landing though. Tywin is the actual hand of the king, after all. And as Jaime is still imprisoned, there would be a big power struggle between Tyrion & Cersei+Joffrey.
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I think Arya doesn't really have a reason to pick Tywin. She does not really know him. He ended the tortures in Harrenhal as he arrived. There are just better targets for her than him, does she even understand the big role he plays in the game of thrones? I don't think she is that educated in politics.
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She knows that he's leading the war against her brother, and she clearly hated him in that scene where she talked about Rob being a wolf warrior.
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On May 05 2012 22:18 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 21:59 OrchidThief wrote:On May 05 2012 21:39 Shock710 wrote:On May 05 2012 21:28 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On May 05 2012 16:33 Rhine wrote:On May 05 2012 15:47 StyLeD wrote:On May 05 2012 14:13 hzflank wrote:On May 05 2012 13:50 Cuh wrote:
So I just seen the last episode, can someone elighten me on who was killed at the end? And does she get two more men to have killed?
The Tickler was killed at the end. The Ticker was previously shown as the director of the torture that Arya saw happening in Harrenhal. The Tickler was a knight in service of The Mountain. Jaqen told Arya that she must give him exactly three names. The Tickler was the first name, so presumably she has two more names to give. This whole section of story is done very differently in the books, so I really cant elaborate any more than that. So someone mentioned non-book readers wouldn't get why Arya didn't just say Tywin or Geoffrey's names, or even the 3 of the however-many-there-are kings fighting for the crown.....can someone explain? Well, she's just a kid. Also, i don't think she was convinced that the guy would really kill just anyone. I mean, how could a random dude kill the king who is miles away, for instance. The Tickler was maybe the first "easy" target that came into her head. He's done awful things to the prisoners. I agree it seems kind of weird, but I think she just wasn't convinced + she's not exactly mature enough right now. My impression of Arya throughout the show has been that of a clever kid. Could the Man kill anyone or not it probably wouldn't be wise to take the chance with Tywin and then have your cover blown. Tickler was a much safer choice. Yeah she does seem to be pretty smart, i'm conflicted about if shes going to cho0se Tywin casue well if he did die (lol? so easy like the shadow?) but like someone said it might be a trick to get her to show her true colours (tywin might expect something as she gave him that death stare and plus shes from the north) I wonder how shes gonna get out of this camp, maybe she uses the 2 deaths left, to kill some guards or something so the prisoners can break free or something?? cause she does need to get out of there before tywin discovers her I'd say Tywin is probably as expendable as Ned Stark was in season one. His children (and grandchildren) are really the focus of that side of the family. I definitely feel like he's a viable target. That said, he wasn't -as- involved in the beheading of Ned as some of the other people, so he might not be on Arya's radar, since right now she seems more motivated by feelings of revenge, rather than helping out her brother win the war. (In fact, she seemed very surprised to learn that her brother even was in war against the Lannisters). Tywin's death would complicate things a lot in King's Landing though. Tywin is the actual hand of the king, after all. And as Jaime is still imprisoned, there would be a big power struggle between Tyrion & Cersei+Joffrey.
I, uh, don't see a problem in that. Ned was the hand of the king wasn't he? =b
On May 05 2012 22:19 Clegane wrote:
I think Arya doesn't really have a reason to pick Tywin. She does not really know him. He ended the tortures in Harrenhal as he arrived. There are just better targets for her than him, does she even understand the big role he plays in the game of thrones? I don't think she is that educated in politics.
Yeah, that was kind of my point. At this point she doesn't really have a reason to pick Tywin, since she's unfamiliar with a lot of the politics that is going on, and seemed surprised to even learn that there was a war going on. He could still be a viable target though if she manages to pick up on his importance before she's used her kills on minor characters, that she just has a large hatred against.
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On May 05 2012 22:28 EcstatiC wrote:
She knows that he's leading the war against her brother, and she clearly hated him in that scene where she talked about Rob being a wolf warrior.
True, but right now Tywin is the only reason she's not in the pens with the other prisoners, so why would she kill him? He's treated her very well and has shown himself to be a reasonable man. I wouldn't call her reaction hatred so much as a warning that he shouldn't tangle with her brother.
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On May 07 2012 08:17 Steveling wrote:
Is it broadcasted yet?
an hour and 20 mins. It starts at 9pm Eastern Time, which should be around 4am for you (if you are still living in Greece).
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On May 05 2012 03:11 Aristodemus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:08 oGoZenob wrote:On May 05 2012 02:57 p4NDemik wrote:On May 05 2012 00:46 Tewks44 wrote:On May 05 2012 00:39 zimms wrote:
With days, like we do?
We don't use Ice Ages, why should they use their winters. our seasons are based on the orbit of the sun around the earth, which in turn, is what gives rise to seasons. Even with Ice ages there is a regular and predictable change in climate and (more importantly) a predictable and regular change in the length of days. It is a completely valid question. It's not like we just pulled 365 days/year out of our butts, so why should we expect the people of Westeros to just decide on an arbitrary number of days per year. Just want to stop you before you say this out in public and get laughed at. Its earth around the sun.  wrong ! earth is flat and in the center of the universe ! It is known.
LOL it is known
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I kinda doubt the dude will accept Arya's request and try to murder Tywin. He's probably got guards around him, and he knows that he can't get anywhere close to him. Not to mention the fact that when Tywin dies, the guy will be pursued...
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On May 07 2012 09:06 GhostOwl wrote:
I kinda doubt the dude will accept Arya's request and try to murder Tywin. He's probably got guards around him, and he knows that he can't get anywhere close to him. Not to mention the fact that when Tywin dies, the guy will be pursued...
+ Show Spoiler [don't trust him, he's read the books] +Mod edit: book book book seriously ffs don't talk about the fucking books
User was warned for this post
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On May 07 2012 09:09 Ghyslyn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 09:06 GhostOwl wrote:
I kinda doubt the dude will accept Arya's request and try to murder Tywin. He's probably got guards around him, and he knows that he can't get anywhere close to him. Not to mention the fact that when Tywin dies, the guy will be pursued... ...
This is the TV thread. You don't want to talk like that. There is a thread for book readers to talk about the TV show.
For the record, I've finished all books so nothing got ruined for me.
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On May 07 2012 09:09 Ghyslyn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 09:06 GhostOwl wrote:
I kinda doubt the dude will accept Arya's request and try to murder Tywin. He's probably got guards around him, and he knows that he can't get anywhere close to him. Not to mention the fact that when Tywin dies, the guy will be pursued... + Show Spoiler [don't trust him, he's read the books] +Mod edit: book book book seriously ffs don't talk about the fucking books
Lots of people have read the books my friend, do yourself and everyone in this thread a favor and not talk about them. There's a separate thread for everyone who has read them.
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On May 07 2012 09:06 GhostOwl wrote:
I kinda doubt the dude will accept Arya's request and try to murder Tywin. He's probably got guards around him, and he knows that he can't get anywhere close to him. Not to mention the fact that when Tywin dies, the guy will be pursued...
I agree.
I think there are limitations (or Arya is safe to assume limitations ("Three lives _I_ give you") since magic seems to be rare (black smoke guy).
So it needs to be someone he has (physical) access to.
"Kill Jeoffrey"
"Kill the guy who murdered my father" (the mountain?)
Would be sooo easy ways out.
About the book spoiler shit:
The rule is not: "Dont spoiler information from the book".
The rule is: "Dont mention information from the book".
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The guy who physically killed Ned is the Lannister headsman, Ilyn Payne(I think both him and The Mountain are both in her prayer?)
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On May 07 2012 09:09 Ghyslyn wrote:
... I've read the books, ....
Be careful throwing around the B word in these parts. Sheriff doesn't look too kindly on it.
edit: removed spoiler from quote
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