On July 07 2011 02:17 KOFgokuon wrote: really? what series is better because ASOIAF is one of the highest rated fantasy series
And Lord of the rings is quite high rated but i find it childish. Everyone has his own opinion. I like The Wheel of time and Malazan Book of the Fallen series better.
But name a better fantasy-themed TV series.... Arthur maybe :D or Herculess . (I havent watched that many , going to check it out)
Wheel of Time and Malazan are great for their intended audience, teenage boys. I find both of them to be immature and predictable. Adult themes =/= adult book. I would give Malazan to my 15 year old cousin but would never recommend it to an adult. GRRM writes literature for grown people, genuine human interaction and a well thought out, intricate story. There's a reason it's taking him so long to finish the series, while Malazan was assembly-line written in a few years, and WoT became such a mess that major plot developments took several books to resolve.
On July 07 2011 02:17 KOFgokuon wrote: really? what series is better because ASOIAF is one of the highest rated fantasy series
And Lord of the rings is quite high rated but i find it childish. Everyone has his own opinion. I like The Wheel of time and Malazan Book of the Fallen series better.
But name a better fantasy-themed TV series.... Arthur maybe :D or Herculess . (I havent watched that many , going to check it out)
You have quite a strange taste for TV series... As for LotR, it is indeed highly rated, but because this book is like a bible to whole fantasy community all over the world. If it was not for LotR, we would never heard about Song of Ice and Fire or Wheel of Times and all other books based on a beautiful idea created by Tolkien.
What was that great idea of Tolkiens? To create a world with 1000s of years of detailed history, invent made-up languages for made-up races, overall the trilogy is all about just showcasing the world. The characters, plot and writing are just mediocre, and the books don't really offer much intellectual challenge. So I'm not sure he's had a positive influence on literature from my POV at least.
Best fantasy authors seem to be those that take the least influence from Tolkien, actually.
On July 07 2011 02:17 KOFgokuon wrote: really? what series is better because ASOIAF is one of the highest rated fantasy series
And Lord of the rings is quite high rated but i find it childish. Everyone has his own opinion. I like The Wheel of time and Malazan Book of the Fallen series better.
But name a better fantasy-themed TV series.... Arthur maybe :D or Herculess . (I havent watched that many , going to check it out)
You have quite a strange taste for TV series... As for LotR, it is indeed highly rated, but because this book is like a bible to whole fantasy community all over the world. If it was not for LotR, we would never heard about Song of Ice and Fire or Wheel of Times and all other books based on a beautiful idea created by Tolkien.
What was that great idea of Tolkiens? To create a world with 1000s of years of detailed history, invent made-up languages for made-up races, overall the trilogy is all about just showcasing the world. The characters, plot and writing are just mediocre, and the books don't really offer much intellectual challenge. So I'm not sure he's had a positive influence on literature from my POV at least.
Best fantasy authors seem to be those that take the least influence from Tolkien, actually.
Tokien gave epic fantasy its voice in modern culture. The Lord of the Rings created the space for the genre to grow and then evolve and branch into the forms you now love. Feel free to hate on LotR as a book, but to enjoy fantasy and say that Tolkien didn't have a positive influence on literature is just silly.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'intellectual challenge' but as a student of linguistics I find Tolkien's use of language to be masterful. And the series is certainly not about showcasing a world. I don't want to go in depth about it in a thread for another series, but feel free to PM me, I always enjoy discussing the themes of LotR.
Wheel of Time and Malazan are great for their intended audience, teenage boys. I find both of them to be immature and predictable. Adult themes =/= adult book. I would give Malazan to my 15 year old cousin but would never recommend it to an adult.
Dont do that. I am 15 y/o and I love Song of Ice and Fire books, 15 year olds arent as childish as you may think
On July 05 2011 21:38 EliteReplay wrote: Question: if u read the books u are supposed to know everything that should happen in the TV serie, dont u?
i want to stay away from book for that. after they finnish with book 1, i will read it
If you want to both read the books and watch the series I would always advice reading the books first. As awesome as the series may be they simplify and speed up a ton of things. For example the way a character develops across multiple books they may think they don't have time for that in the series cause he is not a main character. So instead of developing him they just make him how he would be at the end of the development in the books.
Bottom line is the series can ruin some of the things in the books and the books can't ruin anything about the series. The series may be amazing but the books are 20 times more amazing and by choosing to stay away from the books till you finish the series you are ruining the superior one of the two to some extend.
Actually, I think suspense is far better played out in the film/video medium, and for that reason alone, the TV series is more dramatic than the book. I mean, I love the books far more than the TV series because they are richer and offer much more depth, but stuff like Ned's execution - well, I wish I saw the TV series not knowing everything that was going to happen, that's for sure.
So, in my opinion, the big events are done better in the TV series (because of medium superiority), while characterisation, description and sometimes foreshadowing are done better in the books. Overall, as an aSoIaF reader and huge fan, I wish I watched the show before reading the series. Nothing spoils a TV series more than knowing everything that will happen. On the other hand, by watching the TV show first, then the book will help explain everything, fill all gaps in knowledge, and also gives you new tidbits (which were missed by the TV series).
I think your point is totally right, i like your post better than the one from nazgul, thats they way i see it, why i would read the book and spoils everything, i wont be as excited as i was, if i know what will happen.
Wheel of Time and Malazan are great for their intended audience, teenage boys. I find both of them to be immature and predictable. Adult themes =/= adult book. I would give Malazan to my 15 year old cousin but would never recommend it to an adult.
Dont do that. I am 15 y/o and I love Song of Ice and Fire books, 15 year olds arent as childish as you may think
that doesnt change the truth of anything he said. he was speaking of the other two series mentioned.
I just finished watching the first season and I have to say that it actually made me want to read the books since I felt that the show was very well done.
On July 09 2011 07:32 yawnoC wrote: I just finished watching the first season and I have to say that it actually made me want to read the books since I felt that the show was very well done.
Do it! you seriously won't regret it. If you really liked the show, then I have no doubt you will really like the books too!
On July 07 2011 02:17 KOFgokuon wrote: really? what series is better because ASOIAF is one of the highest rated fantasy series
And Lord of the rings is quite high rated but i find it childish. Everyone has his own opinion. I like The Wheel of time and Malazan Book of the Fallen series better.
But name a better fantasy-themed TV series.... Arthur maybe :D or Herculess . (I havent watched that many , going to check it out)
Wheel of Time and Malazan are great for their intended audience, teenage boys. I find both of them to be immature and predictable. Adult themes =/= adult book. I would give Malazan to my 15 year old cousin but would never recommend it to an adult. GRRM writes literature for grown people, genuine human interaction and a well thought out, intricate story. There's a reason it's taking him so long to finish the series, while Malazan was assembly-line written in a few years, and WoT became such a mess that major plot developments took several books to resolve.
Wheel of Time just feels...more epic. The huge length, great powers, vastly descriptive style by Robert Jordan (I really dislike the new author, Sanderson, especially how he writes the characters - awful), it's just so much more fantasy-ish. It literally is like living in your fantasy; none of the likeable characters stay dead, everything works out in the end, etc.
Ice and Fire is much more gritty and about character interaction, politics, and intrigue. The characters are MUCH more developed and well written, which is what I love the most about GRRM's style.
Different styles for different people, let's not bash an equally amazing series. I'm actually more excited for the next (final) WoT book than I was for DwD even though I dislike Sanderson. Jordan created a stretching and complex plot and I'm very eager to see everything fall into place. I like reading the story of WoT more, while I like reading the characters of Ice and Fire more.
Here's a fun fact: Robert Jordan's (author of Wheel of Time) blurb in Game of Thrones is one of the main reasons George RR Martin first became successful (according to GRRM himself).
And those bashing LotR...SMFH. This series was the father of the entire fantasy genre. Obviously it's not as refined as the books that have come after and learned from its lessons. It's like thinking back to your SNES or GameBoy; obviously not as colourful or powerful as the PS3 but I have much fonder memories of it. Except the LotR world is far richer and more fleshed out than any other one I've ever seen.
On July 07 2011 02:17 KOFgokuon wrote: really? what series is better because ASOIAF is one of the highest rated fantasy series
And Lord of the rings is quite high rated but i find it childish. Everyone has his own opinion. I like The Wheel of time and Malazan Book of the Fallen series better.
But name a better fantasy-themed TV series.... Arthur maybe :D or Herculess . (I havent watched that many , going to check it out)
Wheel of Time and Malazan are great for their intended audience, teenage boys. I find both of them to be immature and predictable. Adult themes =/= adult book. I would give Malazan to my 15 year old cousin but would never recommend it to an adult. GRRM writes literature for grown people, genuine human interaction and a well thought out, intricate story. There's a reason it's taking him so long to finish the series, while Malazan was assembly-line written in a few years, and WoT became such a mess that major plot developments took several books to resolve.
I'm not sure why you think Malazan is for teenage boys? Tbh I find that opinion really weird. I could see that with someone like David Eddings or Terry Brooks and even Robert Jordan to a lesser extent.I'm not sure why you think Martin is any more mature Erikson. I'm assuming you've read the entire series and not just the first book...
Regardless I'm super excited for Season 2. I was initially suspicious of a television series but I just watched Season 1 this weekend and I was pleasantly surprised. It's also a great way for people to be introduced to the books.
What a brave little man Tyrion is! Everyone is against him but i know he can do it! Great acting!! if you are a fan too watch "The Station Agent" with him.
so i just finished watching it all in one day and goddamn one of the most fun dramas i've watched. to be frank i do not watch tv and hate dramas and going 2 the movies. but since the whole damn internet blew up about it i watched the first episode and got hooked when the King came into winterfell with all his pomp. oh and tyrion is a beast.
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