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On June 07 2022 14:52 zatic wrote:Yeah, Season 6 and 7 were already atrocious, but at least they managed to shoot impressive battles. Hardhome especially was such an insane outlier in quality in an otherwise terrible season one has to wonder what went right there. Like this character was better written and acted than any of the star strutted seasons 6 through 8. What happened that episode? ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/wT43mCD.jpg)
Wild how Sapochnik made that and then the battle of winterfell and the fucking bells
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Why? Who even wants this lol
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As bad as the ending was, I'd still watch the shit out of it.
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Yeah this seems like HBO has found a way to rescue the original series, if it is picked up as a series. Have Jon Snow, a fan favorite, build and reign over a new and strong kingdom beyond the "old" wall. Perhaps while the rest of the world is in Winter they start to thaw into a livable place or something. While at evil or political evil tries to pull them into a war with other kingdoms...
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I can't watch anything that is confirmed to be directly tied to the original GoT show and isn't a spin-off or another adaptation of different works. I'll have a sour taste in my mouth from the start.
Also, Jon Snow became a very one-note character by the end of the show and Kit Harrington's acting was some of the weakest among the main cast. It's a pass from me. I'll check out the other shows though.
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This is such a bizarre one and I'm surprised Kit Harrington agreed to do it.
This strikes me as a 6.3/10 product
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If this is true, I'm actually looking forward to this. I hope they scale it back and just focus on Jon exploring the north or something.
Also, GRRM is so slow that the show is literally creating new books for him while he can't even finish Winds of Winter, lmao.
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On June 18 2022 07:28 Cricketer12 wrote:This is such a bizarre one and I'm surprised Kit Harrington agreed to do it. This strikes me as a 6.3/10 product I imagine he is payed very handsomely for it.
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On June 18 2022 10:58 Hyperbola wrote:If this is true, I'm actually looking forward to this. I hope they scale it back and just focus on Jon exploring the north or something. Also, GRRM is so slow that the show is literally creating new books for him while he can't even finish Winds of Winter, lmao.
Or Martin has expressed to HBO to do this to salvage his legacy, and the previous show.
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On June 19 2022 01:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2022 10:58 Hyperbola wrote:If this is true, I'm actually looking forward to this. I hope they scale it back and just focus on Jon exploring the north or something. Also, GRRM is so slow that the show is literally creating new books for him while he can't even finish Winds of Winter, lmao. Or Martin has expressed to HBO to do this to salvage his legacy, and the previous show. If Martin wants to save his legacy he needs to write books, not tv shows.
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On June 19 2022 02:26 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2022 01:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On June 18 2022 10:58 Hyperbola wrote:If this is true, I'm actually looking forward to this. I hope they scale it back and just focus on Jon exploring the north or something. Also, GRRM is so slow that the show is literally creating new books for him while he can't even finish Winds of Winter, lmao. Or Martin has expressed to HBO to do this to salvage his legacy, and the previous show. If Martin wants to save his legacy he needs to write books, not tv shows.
I think the Preston Pessimist timeline makes the most sense, which indicated he is actually writing now and we are approx 3/4 of the way there.
Will he finished Winds? No, not unless House of the Dragon tanks horrendously, which it probably won't.
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It's probably easier for GRRM to just give the show creators the gist of what he wants the story to be and then they fill in the blanks with his history/lore. He's obviously stuck on Winds of Winter and has probably had writer's block for like a decade.
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On June 19 2022 07:27 Zooper31 wrote:
It's probably easier for GRRM to just give the show creators the gist of what he wants the story to be and then they fill in the blanks with his history/lore. He's obviously stuck on Winds of Winter and has probably had writer's block for like a decade.
If that is the case then that would confirm how he aimed for the books end, then the final season of the show happened and was universally shit on. Makes me think he is actually having to start over the final two books because his legacy is on the line. If he is even writing that is. Otherwise he is lobbying for the Jon Snow sequel in hopes of a saving grace.
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On June 19 2022 07:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2022 07:27 Zooper31 wrote:
It's probably easier for GRRM to just give the show creators the gist of what he wants the story to be and then they fill in the blanks with his history/lore. He's obviously stuck on Winds of Winter and has probably had writer's block for like a decade. If that is the case then that would confirm how he aimed for the books end, then the final season of the show happened and was universally shit on. Makes me think he is actually having to start over the final two books because his legacy is on the line. If he is even writing that is. Otherwise he is lobbying for the Jon Snow sequel in hopes of a saving grace.
I also think he's lost motivation to even finish the books. There's no way he can publish the book and it get the praise the earlier books got, the hype is too big and the negative connotation around the show ending is too universal. He's in a lose lose situation if he finishes the books. He's probably happier doing other things for the rest of his life, he's quite obviously rich and famous at this point and can do whatever he wants.
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The books just aren’t possible to wrap up. His whole thing was introducing complexity which sucked people in due to the promise of the eventual payoff. No payoff is coming because it’s too complex. It has been for several books and his only strategy has been to buy time by adding even more complexity. The only way Winds of Winter would work is if he wrote no chapters for existing characters and instead introduced a brand new faction, possibly sexy catgirls, with a lot of broad implications for the universe as a whole and a lot of new questions for how they would factor into the overall conclusion of the story.
That’d probably work.
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If he didnt find time and motivation during corona times then he never will.
So yes like kwark said grrm knows he is stuck by his own creation
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On June 19 2022 17:41 sharkie wrote:
If he didnt find time and motivation during corona times then he never will.
So yes like kwark said grrm knows he is stuck by his own creation
He most likely only started during Rona.
GRRM actually compounds issues for himself via the way he writes...he does each POV's storyline one at a time. So he has to figure out when a character would interact with another and do so carefully because he then goes back to that POV later and ofc they have to meet up when the timeline aligns etc...
For example he just finished Cersei, we have some ideas on who she'd meet and why that would be complicated...
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On June 19 2022 21:28 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2022 17:41 sharkie wrote:
If he didnt find time and motivation during corona times then he never will.
So yes like kwark said grrm knows he is stuck by his own creation He most likely only started during Rona. GRRM actually compounds issues for himself via the way he writes...he does each POV's storyline one at a time. So he has to figure out when a character would interact with another and do so carefully because he then goes back to that POV later and ofc they have to meet up when the timeline aligns etc... For example he just finished Cersei, we have some ideas on who she'd meet and why that would be complicated...
I mean the series premiered over 10 years ago... has he released any book since the premiere?
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On June 19 2022 23:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2022 21:28 Cricketer12 wrote:On June 19 2022 17:41 sharkie wrote:
If he didnt find time and motivation during corona times then he never will.
So yes like kwark said grrm knows he is stuck by his own creation He most likely only started during Rona. GRRM actually compounds issues for himself via the way he writes...he does each POV's storyline one at a time. So he has to figure out when a character would interact with another and do so carefully because he then goes back to that POV later and ofc they have to meet up when the timeline aligns etc... For example he just finished Cersei, we have some ideas on who she'd meet and why that would be complicated... I mean the series premiered over 10 years ago... has he released any book since the premiere?
In the main series? No...he's been coasting on the extra pages cut from the last book he only started writing whem covid happened
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