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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On May 07 2022 12:56 Titusmaster6 wrote: I'm ready to be hurt again. Well no matter what happens with the show. It will still lead to the events in GoT, despite I'm sure, HBO's desperate attempts to salvage it's reputation. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On May 08 2022 00:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Well no matter what happens with the show. It will still lead to the events in GoT, despite I'm sure, HBO's desperate attempts to salvage it's reputation. Technically true but beyond family names it won't link to "modern day" GoT events. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
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0x64
Finland4581 Posts
Kid actors tend to grow quite a bit and so on... If the production value is even close to GOT I am ready to get my HBO sub back on. | ||
KwarK
United States43203 Posts
The show runners took a machete to the GoT universe because the GoT universe was dumb as hell and needed to be pruned. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18508 Posts
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0x64
Finland4581 Posts
On May 13 2022 01:21 KwarK wrote: GRRM can’t ever finish it because he did a Lost Mystery Box thing and wrote himself into a corner. Every time anyone asked a question about a complex scenario he just added complexity which nerds fucking love because they believe the eventual payoff will be directly proportional to the complexity of the knot being untied. The problem is that of course there is no eventual payoff. The show runners took a machete to the GoT universe because the GoT universe was dumb as hell and needed to be pruned. Yes but they started thinking they'd get answers as well. If they knew from the start they need to write the end, they would have saved a lot of trouble on Khaleesi plot line. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On May 13 2022 01:21 KwarK wrote: GRRM can’t ever finish it because he did a Lost Mystery Box thing and wrote himself into a corner. Every time anyone asked a question about a complex scenario he just added complexity which nerds fucking love because they believe the eventual payoff will be directly proportional to the complexity of the knot being untied. The problem is that of course there is no eventual payoff. The show runners took a machete to the GoT universe because the GoT universe was dumb as hell and needed to be pruned. Or worse the HBO ending was his ending, and it was justifiably shit on by everyone destroying the legacy of GoT. Now... he has to rewrite everything in hopes of salvaging something. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21946 Posts
And the show already scrapped a bunch of the complicity of the books to make it work. A couple more episodes to give room for the plot to mature more naturally towards the same conclusions and you could get a dramatically different reception. But writers wanted to wrap it up as quickly as they could so they could move on to Star Wars, so the show got fucked. But GRRM managing all the different threads from the books towards a satisfying conclusion is something else entirely. And I don't think its unreasonable to question his ability to do that. Especially before the inevitability of time catches up with him with the pace he is working at. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On May 13 2022 03:07 Gorsameth wrote: The story points themselves are, imo, not so much the problem. Danny going mad, John killing her and Bran becoming king can all work. But the lead up to them has to be done well, and that is where the HBO show fell flat. And the show already scrapped a bunch of the complicity of the books to make it work. A couple more episodes to give room for the plot to mature more naturally towards the same conclusions and you could get a dramatically different reception. But writers wanted to wrap it up as quickly as they could so they could move on to Star Wars, so the show got fucked. But GRRM managing all the different threads from the books towards a satisfying conclusion is something else entirely. And I don't think its unreasonable to question his ability to do that. Especially before the inevitability of time catches up with him with the pace he is working at. It's been 11 years and not only do we not have Winds the last we heard GRRM said he *thinks* it will be as long as Storm and Dance, meaning he hasn't even gotten enough written to conclusively say how long it will be...Winds will never come out. | ||
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0x64
Finland4581 Posts
On May 13 2022 04:06 Cricketer12 wrote: It's been 11 years and not only do we not have Winds the last we heard GRRM said he *thinks* it will be as long as Storm and Dance, meaning he hasn't even gotten enough written to conclusively say how long it will be...Winds will never come out. Winter is coming Winter might be coming Winter is definitely not coming | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
On May 13 2022 17:33 0x64 wrote: Winter is coming Winter might be coming Winter is definitely not coming Ok you actually got me to laugh out loud with that one. As much as I want to be optimistic about Winds, everyday I move closer to you guys *sigh* | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18508 Posts
The world was hyping GoT annoyingly before the final season and then GoT fandom just died lol | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28706 Posts
The battle of Winterfell however was not only stupid and illogical, it was also a disaster from a more technical point of view, so we were double-robbed. | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1199 Posts
On June 06 2022 06:42 Liquid`Drone wrote: I think it's because there's never almost been as big of a quality drop in anything, and never in anything with an equally big following. Tbh the drop in quality happened before the final season, but the second to last season had some amazing visuals / action scenes that made it more forgiving. The battle of Winterfell however was not only stupid and illogical, it was also a disaster from a more technical point of view, so we were double-robbed. Honestly it could have just ended with the battle of Winterfell and the Nightking winning and it wouldnt have been following the books and yet a more satisfying ending to me. I don't really want to remember but if I do I think I have never felt so bitter about an episode of a series. You build up a villain all the way from episode one, set up a battle with insane odds and overhwelming favor to him. Have him and his forces crush the battle to die in the most stupid way and basically no casualties? That did it for me. I can more or less live with a lot of other stuff, mostly in my book destroyed by pacing and lack of episodes but if you ended it at Winterfell with NK winning, I would not have been remotely as mad . | ||
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Radio Free Borg
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RowdierBob
Australia13291 Posts
On June 06 2022 06:42 Liquid`Drone wrote: I think it's because there's never almost been as big of a quality drop in anything, and never in anything with an equally big following. Tbh the drop in quality happened before the final season, but the second to last season had some amazing visuals / action scenes that made it more forgiving. The battle of Winterfell however was not only stupid and illogical, it was also a disaster from a more technical point of view, so we were double-robbed. Of all the disappointments of the final season, the battle of winterfell takes the cake. Between the appalling lighting, laughable battle tactics and scenes, and the predictable finish with Arya /Nightking I just don’t think they could’ve done a worse job if they tried. That they did so well with the Battle of Hardhome and Battle but f the Bastards makes it worse that they mucked it up so badly. | ||
zatic
Zurich15355 Posts
Like this character was better written and acted than any of the star strutted seasons 6 through 8. What happened that episode? ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/wT43mCD.jpg) | ||
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