On May 01 2019 22:06 KadaverBB wrote: I'm fairly confident there will be. There needs to be some kind of "payoff" to have a zombie mountain running around for like 4 seasons without doing literally anything. Cleganebowl is super hyped up by the fans and will make for an amazingly hype but very stupid scene, so it is definitely going to happen lol.
We got to hear zombie mountain rape a nun (or whatever she was).
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
Completely disagree. Cleganebowl is one of the few things remaining that still carries hype for me.
Gregor in both the show and books was already pretty much devoid of any humanity considering his many acts of cruelty, where he just serves as an arm of the Lannisters. Being an empty shell that takes orders isn't far off from who he was as a man. It further contrasts with Sandor as well who developed even more of a moral compass after abandoning the Lannisters.
Also, there's still plenty of satisfaction in having Sandor fight his brother. Gregor scarred him so deeply that he's still terribly afraid of fire. It's not so much the man he'd be slaying, but his past.
Cleganeeeee Bowlll hypu
I had resigned it to being a missed opportunity, or possibility, lacks the emotive payoff if the Mountain was a zombie and would have been pure fan service if it was crowbarred, although it was something I did want to see at some stage.
At this stage after 3 episodes I felt were way too fanservice heavy I’m inclined to say fuck it and throw in the bowl. It’s
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
zombie mountain is book source and cleganebowl has been foreshadowed since ages...
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
zombie mountain is book source and cleganebowl has been foreshadowed since ages...
i am sure the only way to salvage this ending for me:
overpowered arya gets close to cersei, zombie gregor says nope and just mutilates her
cleganebowl for sandor redemption arc
i dont even care about the rest of the story, if that or something similar happens id hold my tongue about the terrible writing decisions
On May 02 2019 01:19 Wombat_NI wrote: I’d like Arya to die trying to kill Cersei, partly influenced by her bloody killing NK though.
So in a way her lust for revenge gave her the skills to benefit the greater good, but end up being her downfall in the end
Well we just had 20 pages of discussion about how D&D dont punish their characters for their vices so you can put that idea in the closet with all your other abandoned hopes and dreams.
On May 02 2019 01:19 Wombat_NI wrote: I’d like Arya to die trying to kill Cersei, partly influenced by her bloody killing NK though.
So in a way her lust for revenge gave her the skills to benefit the greater good, but end up being her downfall in the end
Well we just had 20 pages of discussion about how D&D dont punish their characters for their vices so you can put that idea in the closet with all your other abandoned hopes and dreams.
They can’t botch absolutely everything this season though surely?
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
zombie mountain is book source and cleganebowl has been foreshadowed since ages...
I know that zombie mountain is a book source, i don't think that cleganebowl has been foreshadowed very much, i think it is a fantheory with almost no merit.
And even if it's a thing in the books as well, it's still garbage. While the mountain never was a real character, he still was a human being with consciousness. How would it be ever satisfying to kill his brother who cannot even understand the importance of the act anymore, it's as hollow as it can get.
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
Completely disagree. Cleganebowl is one of the few things remaining that still carries hype for me.
Gregor in both the show and books was already pretty much devoid of any humanity considering his many acts of cruelty, where he just serves as an arm of the Lannisters. Being an empty shell that takes orders isn't far off from who he was as a man. It further contrasts with Sandor as well who developed even more of a moral compass after abandoning the Lannisters.
Also, there's still plenty of satisfaction in having Sandor fight his brother. Gregor scarred him so deeply that he's still terribly afraid of fire. It's not so much the man he'd be slaying, but his past.
Ok you are saying it would be about slaying his past, i certainly agree with that, but that past manifests itself as his brother. That zombie mountain isn't his brother anymore, it's a shell. I don't see where any catharsis would be coming from at that point. It's like Oberyn Martell wanting to slay the mountain as well, there would have been no satisfaction there either. It is deeply important that the mountain actually is still able to recognize his opponent, he isn't though. (at least it doesn't look like it). To make it even more extreme, say the mountain was raised by white walkers and sandor would kill him there, how exactly would this slaying of the past manifest itself? It wouldn't. This is really similar. Cleganebowl is a fan theory which doesn't understand that there is no real payoff anymore, it's nonsense.
This Season is so bad it really pains me... I loved this show and now it has become complete cookie cutter trash. The whole Nightking received no explanation whatsoever. Who is he? What are his motivations? What is the three eyed Raven? What role did the children of the forest play? Like all good fantasy literature, this would have been an epic tale with mysteries getting revealed bit by bit. Think of the Hodor revelation.... But now that there is no author like GRRM coming up with the story the best they can come up with is shit like "Well, he is a baddie, he obv wants to destroy pretty much everything because well, hes bad". The quality and intricacy of the story has been going downhill since season 5 but this is a new level... This is not going downhill, this is jumping off a cliff. Its like they deliberately tried to turn everything GoT was about around and shove it into the same old boring form of shitty and predictable writing that has been done a million times. Thanks for completely ruining the most promising show there ever was you fucktards
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
zombie mountain is book source and cleganebowl has been foreshadowed since ages...
I know that zombie mountain is a book source, i don't think that cleganebowl has been foreshadowed very much, i think it is a fantheory with almost no merit.
And even if it's a thing in the books as well, it's still garbage. While the mountain never was a real character, he still was a human being with consciousness. How would it be ever satisfying to kill his brother who cannot even understand the importance of the act anymore, it's as hollow as it can get.
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
Completely disagree. Cleganebowl is one of the few things remaining that still carries hype for me.
Gregor in both the show and books was already pretty much devoid of any humanity considering his many acts of cruelty, where he just serves as an arm of the Lannisters. Being an empty shell that takes orders isn't far off from who he was as a man. It further contrasts with Sandor as well who developed even more of a moral compass after abandoning the Lannisters.
Also, there's still plenty of satisfaction in having Sandor fight his brother. Gregor scarred him so deeply that he's still terribly afraid of fire. It's not so much the man he'd be slaying, but his past.
Ok you are saying it would be about slaying his past, i certainly agree with that, but that past manifests itself as his brother. That zombie mountain isn't his brother anymore, it's a shell. I don't see where any catharsis would be coming from at that point. It's like Oberyn Martell wanting to slay the mountain as well, there would have been no satisfaction there either. It is deeply important that the mountain actually is still able to recognize his opponent, he isn't though. (at least it doesn't look like it). To make it even more extreme, say the mountain was raised by white walkers and sandor would kill him there, how exactly would this slaying of the past manifest itself? It wouldn't. This is really similar. Cleganebowl is a fan theory which doesn't understand that there is no real payoff anymore, it's nonsense.
Does the Hound know what the Mountain has become? If I remember correctly he says him something when they bring the zombie to Cersei in Season 7, which makes it look like he is expecting to meet him again / face him before the end
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
zombie mountain is book source and cleganebowl has been foreshadowed since ages...
I know that zombie mountain is a book source, i don't think that cleganebowl has been foreshadowed very much, i think it is a fantheory with almost no merit.
And even if it's a thing in the books as well, it's still garbage. While the mountain never was a real character, he still was a human being with consciousness. How would it be ever satisfying to kill his brother who cannot even understand the importance of the act anymore, it's as hollow as it can get.
On May 02 2019 00:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
Completely disagree. Cleganebowl is one of the few things remaining that still carries hype for me.
Gregor in both the show and books was already pretty much devoid of any humanity considering his many acts of cruelty, where he just serves as an arm of the Lannisters. Being an empty shell that takes orders isn't far off from who he was as a man. It further contrasts with Sandor as well who developed even more of a moral compass after abandoning the Lannisters.
Also, there's still plenty of satisfaction in having Sandor fight his brother. Gregor scarred him so deeply that he's still terribly afraid of fire. It's not so much the man he'd be slaying, but his past.
Ok you are saying it would be about slaying his past, i certainly agree with that, but that past manifests itself as his brother. That zombie mountain isn't his brother anymore, it's a shell. I don't see where any catharsis would be coming from at that point. It's like Oberyn Martell wanting to slay the mountain as well, there would have been no satisfaction there either. It is deeply important that the mountain actually is still able to recognize his opponent, he isn't though. (at least it doesn't look like it). To make it even more extreme, say the mountain was raised by white walkers and sandor would kill him there, how exactly would this slaying of the past manifest itself? It wouldn't. This is really similar. Cleganebowl is a fan theory which doesn't understand that there is no real payoff anymore, it's nonsense.
Does the Hound know what the Mountain has become? If I remember correctly he says him something when they bring the zombie to Cersei in Season 7, which makes it look like he is expecting to meet him again / face him before the end
What i meant with it wasn't foreshadowed very much is the books, this scene certainy sets it up for the show which is why i said i would definitely think it'll happen there. I just don't think there is anything special about it anymore when one party has no reaction to it whatsoever.
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
zombie mountain is book source and cleganebowl has been foreshadowed since ages...
I know that zombie mountain is a book source, i don't think that cleganebowl has been foreshadowed very much, i think it is a fantheory with almost no merit.
And even if it's a thing in the books as well, it's still garbage. While the mountain never was a real character, he still was a human being with consciousness. How would it be ever satisfying to kill his brother who cannot even understand the importance of the act anymore, it's as hollow as it can get.
On May 02 2019 00:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
Completely disagree. Cleganebowl is one of the few things remaining that still carries hype for me.
Gregor in both the show and books was already pretty much devoid of any humanity considering his many acts of cruelty, where he just serves as an arm of the Lannisters. Being an empty shell that takes orders isn't far off from who he was as a man. It further contrasts with Sandor as well who developed even more of a moral compass after abandoning the Lannisters.
Also, there's still plenty of satisfaction in having Sandor fight his brother. Gregor scarred him so deeply that he's still terribly afraid of fire. It's not so much the man he'd be slaying, but his past.
Ok you are saying it would be about slaying his past, i certainly agree with that, but that past manifests itself as his brother. That zombie mountain isn't his brother anymore, it's a shell. I don't see where any catharsis would be coming from at that point. It's like Oberyn Martell wanting to slay the mountain as well, there would have been no satisfaction there either. It is deeply important that the mountain actually is still able to recognize his opponent, he isn't though. (at least it doesn't look like it). To make it even more extreme, say the mountain was raised by white walkers and sandor would kill him there, how exactly would this slaying of the past manifest itself? It wouldn't. This is really similar. Cleganebowl is a fan theory which doesn't understand that there is no real payoff anymore, it's nonsense.
Does the Hound know what the Mountain has become? If I remember correctly he says him something when they bring the zombie to Cersei in Season 7, which makes it look like he is expecting to meet him again / face him before the end
What i meant with it wasn't foreshadowed very much is the books, this scene certainy sets it up for the show which is why i said i would definitely think it'll happen there. I just don't think there is anything special about it anymore when one party has no reaction to it whatsoever.
Does the mountain turn Zombie into the book/are we at this point?
It seems like a very pointless plot point in the series honestly.
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
zombie mountain is book source and cleganebowl has been foreshadowed since ages...
I know that zombie mountain is a book source, i don't think that cleganebowl has been foreshadowed very much, i think it is a fantheory with almost no merit.
And even if it's a thing in the books as well, it's still garbage. While the mountain never was a real character, he still was a human being with consciousness. How would it be ever satisfying to kill his brother who cannot even understand the importance of the act anymore, it's as hollow as it can get.
On May 02 2019 00:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
Completely disagree. Cleganebowl is one of the few things remaining that still carries hype for me.
Gregor in both the show and books was already pretty much devoid of any humanity considering his many acts of cruelty, where he just serves as an arm of the Lannisters. Being an empty shell that takes orders isn't far off from who he was as a man. It further contrasts with Sandor as well who developed even more of a moral compass after abandoning the Lannisters.
Also, there's still plenty of satisfaction in having Sandor fight his brother. Gregor scarred him so deeply that he's still terribly afraid of fire. It's not so much the man he'd be slaying, but his past.
Ok you are saying it would be about slaying his past, i certainly agree with that, but that past manifests itself as his brother. That zombie mountain isn't his brother anymore, it's a shell. I don't see where any catharsis would be coming from at that point. It's like Oberyn Martell wanting to slay the mountain as well, there would have been no satisfaction there either. It is deeply important that the mountain actually is still able to recognize his opponent, he isn't though. (at least it doesn't look like it). To make it even more extreme, say the mountain was raised by white walkers and sandor would kill him there, how exactly would this slaying of the past manifest itself? It wouldn't. This is really similar. Cleganebowl is a fan theory which doesn't understand that there is no real payoff anymore, it's nonsense.
Does the Hound know what the Mountain has become? If I remember correctly he says him something when they bring the zombie to Cersei in Season 7, which makes it look like he is expecting to meet him again / face him before the end
What i meant with it wasn't foreshadowed very much is the books, this scene certainy sets it up for the show which is why i said i would definitely think it'll happen there. I just don't think there is anything special about it anymore when one party has no reaction to it whatsoever.
Does the mountain turn Zombie into the book/are we at this point?
It seems like a very pointless plot point in the series honestly.
Yeah this is a book thing as well, but it basically just happened there and the narrative purpose isn't yet given really.
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
zombie mountain is book source and cleganebowl has been foreshadowed since ages...
I know that zombie mountain is a book source, i don't think that cleganebowl has been foreshadowed very much, i think it is a fantheory with almost no merit.
And even if it's a thing in the books as well, it's still garbage. While the mountain never was a real character, he still was a human being with consciousness. How would it be ever satisfying to kill his brother who cannot even understand the importance of the act anymore, it's as hollow as it can get.
On May 02 2019 00:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
Completely disagree. Cleganebowl is one of the few things remaining that still carries hype for me.
Gregor in both the show and books was already pretty much devoid of any humanity considering his many acts of cruelty, where he just serves as an arm of the Lannisters. Being an empty shell that takes orders isn't far off from who he was as a man. It further contrasts with Sandor as well who developed even more of a moral compass after abandoning the Lannisters.
Also, there's still plenty of satisfaction in having Sandor fight his brother. Gregor scarred him so deeply that he's still terribly afraid of fire. It's not so much the man he'd be slaying, but his past.
Ok you are saying it would be about slaying his past, i certainly agree with that, but that past manifests itself as his brother. That zombie mountain isn't his brother anymore, it's a shell. I don't see where any catharsis would be coming from at that point. It's like Oberyn Martell wanting to slay the mountain as well, there would have been no satisfaction there either. It is deeply important that the mountain actually is still able to recognize his opponent, he isn't though. (at least it doesn't look like it). To make it even more extreme, say the mountain was raised by white walkers and sandor would kill him there, how exactly would this slaying of the past manifest itself? It wouldn't. This is really similar. Cleganebowl is a fan theory which doesn't understand that there is no real payoff anymore, it's nonsense.
Does the Hound know what the Mountain has become? If I remember correctly he says him something when they bring the zombie to Cersei in Season 7, which makes it look like he is expecting to meet him again / face him before the end
What i meant with it wasn't foreshadowed very much is the books, this scene certainy sets it up for the show which is why i said i would definitely think it'll happen there. I just don't think there is anything special about it anymore when one party has no reaction to it whatsoever.
Does the mountain turn Zombie into the book/are we at this point?
It seems like a very pointless plot point in the series honestly.
Zombie mountain happened because otherwise cersei wouldnt have a reliable champion. Gotta make sure the bad guys stay in the lead
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
zombie mountain is book source and cleganebowl has been foreshadowed since ages...
I know that zombie mountain is a book source, i don't think that cleganebowl has been foreshadowed very much, i think it is a fantheory with almost no merit.
And even if it's a thing in the books as well, it's still garbage. While the mountain never was a real character, he still was a human being with consciousness. How would it be ever satisfying to kill his brother who cannot even understand the importance of the act anymore, it's as hollow as it can get.
On May 02 2019 00:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On May 01 2019 21:58 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh my god i hope there won't be any "cleganebowl" fanservice, i don't think it makes any sense for the characters either anymore. The mountain is a dumb zombie, how can there be any cathartic moment when the consciousness of the mountain is completely gone?
Completely disagree. Cleganebowl is one of the few things remaining that still carries hype for me.
Gregor in both the show and books was already pretty much devoid of any humanity considering his many acts of cruelty, where he just serves as an arm of the Lannisters. Being an empty shell that takes orders isn't far off from who he was as a man. It further contrasts with Sandor as well who developed even more of a moral compass after abandoning the Lannisters.
Also, there's still plenty of satisfaction in having Sandor fight his brother. Gregor scarred him so deeply that he's still terribly afraid of fire. It's not so much the man he'd be slaying, but his past.
Ok you are saying it would be about slaying his past, i certainly agree with that, but that past manifests itself as his brother. That zombie mountain isn't his brother anymore, it's a shell. I don't see where any catharsis would be coming from at that point. It's like Oberyn Martell wanting to slay the mountain as well, there would have been no satisfaction there either. It is deeply important that the mountain actually is still able to recognize his opponent, he isn't though. (at least it doesn't look like it). To make it even more extreme, say the mountain was raised by white walkers and sandor would kill him there, how exactly would this slaying of the past manifest itself? It wouldn't. This is really similar. Cleganebowl is a fan theory which doesn't understand that there is no real payoff anymore, it's nonsense.
Does the Hound know what the Mountain has become? If I remember correctly he says him something when they bring the zombie to Cersei in Season 7, which makes it look like he is expecting to meet him again / face him before the end
What i meant with it wasn't foreshadowed very much is the books, this scene certainy sets it up for the show which is why i said i would definitely think it'll happen there. I just don't think there is anything special about it anymore when one party has no reaction to it whatsoever.
Does the mountain turn Zombie into the book/are we at this point?
It seems like a very pointless plot point in the series honestly.
Zombie mountain happened because otherwise cersei wouldnt have a reliable champion. Gotta make sure the bad guys stay in the lead
Nah I dont think so, if they wanted to give her a champion they can always come up with something, like the golden company came so she has an army now. The mountain is someone who stayed on the background from the very beginning throughout the whole story. so he is someone that needs to be dealt with at some point, his story needs to be closed as much as any other main character story needs to be closed
There's a somewhat notable potential impact of zombie mountain over man-mountain.
If he's only vulnerable to dragonglass, valayrian steel, and fire... well we know someone who doesn't own valayrian steel, doesn't like fire, and isn't very likely to keep carrying around a now nearly useless dragon glass weapon...
On May 02 2019 05:47 Logo wrote: There's a somewhat notable potential impact of zombie mountain over man-mountain.
If he's only vulnerable to dragonglass, valayrian steel, and fire... well we know someone who doesn't own valayrian steel, doesn't like fire, and isn't very likely to keep carrying around a now nearly useless dragon glass weapon...
There has been no evidence to suggest he has any kind of invulnerability aside from not feeling pain?
On May 02 2019 05:47 Logo wrote: There's a somewhat notable potential impact of zombie mountain over man-mountain.
If he's only vulnerable to dragonglass, valayrian steel, and fire... well we know someone who doesn't own valayrian steel, doesn't like fire, and isn't very likely to keep carrying around a now nearly useless dragon glass weapon...
There has been no evidence to suggest he has any kind of invulnerability aside from not feeling pain?
Well there's the somewhat obvious parallel between him and the wights, and not feeling pain would imply being more difficult to kill in some capacity.
EPT
