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Poland9296 Posts
On August 31 2017 08:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-finale-cut-scene-1202541941/ At first I was angry because cutting a scene like this while keeping the one where Grey Worm and Missandei had sex sounds stupid, but now I think this scene wouldn't make any difference except making Sansa look even worse for seriously considering gutting her own sister. | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
On August 31 2017 08:37 Hider wrote: Nah I think he is confusing a few things. The endgame-concept has nothing to do with time-travel. You could make tweaks to the plot and make the time-aspect be a lot more consistent + make actions and decisions more believeable + still have more twists --> Get to the endgame. Yes the good guys have to win and thus we know Jon (and Dany + Arya + Sansa+Tyrion+Jamie) wouldn't die, however that was true in S5 and S6 as well. Making a coherent storyline w/ interesting twists could be done in alot of different ways while still getting to the endgame. The endgame-issue will be much more of a factor next season where they will have to fight (and beat) the Wildwalkers. Not sure how they can make that interesting from a drama-perspective. Lol I actually had to rewatch the video to remind myself of the time travel thing and endgame concept you're mentioning because that didnt really stick with me. I actually find it funny how of all things you picked that particular thing which is besides the point to invalidate all the good things he said in the video. In fact, that point isnt so bad either, he simply pointed out that with the teleporting thing the world is smaller and thus less interesting/.dangerous, which seems like a valid point. When you add all of these small things up, you end up with what we have now. Anyways ... | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
This video gave me a perspective on the amount of production limitations they had to make the season within a year. Taking that into consideration: the season wasn't that bad. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 31 2017 08:56 Sent. wrote: At first I was angry because cutting a scene like this while keeping the one where Grey Worm and Missandei had sex sounds stupid, but now I think this scene wouldn't make any difference except making Sansa look even worse for seriously considering gutting her own sister. Well it simply shows that all the "fake drama" was real in universe. So no Sansa and Arya didn't plan this all along, they actually thought about killing each other, etc. At this point you have to ask yourself why getting revenge on littlefinger even matters tbh, that doesn't really change the conflict they had in the first place. (arya being angry at sansa because she would want to rule, writing that letter, etc). The whole winterfell storyline was just such a mess this season  On August 31 2017 08:59 FreakyDroid wrote: Lol I actually had to rewatch the video to remind myself of the time travel thing and endgame concept you're mentioning because that didnt really stick with me. I actually find it funny how of all things you picked that particular thing which is besides the point to invalidate all the good things he said in the video. In fact, that point isnt so bad either, he simply pointed out that with the teleporting thing the world is smaller and thus less interesting/.dangerous, which seems like a valid point. When you add all of these small things up, you end up with what we have now. Anyways ... Yeah i think the video is good. Have to agree with the two "promises" he is talking about. Especially the lack of consequences is really hurting the show the past few seasons. He also took a great example with Cersei blowing up the sept. What i disagree with is his stance on "subverting tropes" being that big thing and it not being possible anymore. GRRM uses a lot of standard fantasy tropes in his work and that's actually not a bad thing, what matters is the execution of it, giving it an interesting twist here and there so it doesn't feel like the same old thing. That certainly would still be possible. Jaime not dying was even a thing in the early seasons, he still had to deal with consequences though, he lost his important hand. So it imo really boils down to that, consequences. Impact of decisions. Not if you kill off Jon north of the wall or not. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On August 31 2017 08:59 FreakyDroid wrote: Lol I actually had to rewatch the video to remind myself of the time travel thing and endgame concept you're mentioning because that didnt really stick with me. I actually find it funny how of all things you picked that particular thing which is besides the point to invalidate all the good things he said in the video. In fact, that point isnt so bad either, he simply pointed out that with the teleporting thing the world is smaller and thus less interesting/.dangerous, which seems like a valid point. When you add all of these small things up, you end up with what we have now. Anyways ... I still don't understand the point. What does endgame have to do with the dropping quality. Yes certain characters have plot armor - they always did that -nothing is changed. The good guys will win in the end, but that had nothing to do with this season, but instead with how the White Walkers will be defeated next season. Hence my point is that he is making the classical correlation =/ causation error by equalizing that we are almost done with the show + the writing has changed alot. And the teleportation part is the most obvious way the writing has changed, hence why I specifically referred that. No consequences of Cersei blowing up everyone is simply a result of inconsistent writing - nothing to do with endgame. They could have "solved" that in many different ways, but for w/e reasons chose not do. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On August 31 2017 09:15 The_Red_Viper wrote: Well it simply shows that all the "fake drama" was real in universe. So no Sansa and Arya didn't plan this all along, they actually thought about killing each other, etc. At this point you have to ask yourself why getting revenge on littlefinger even matters tbh, that doesn't really change the conflict they had in the first place. (arya being angry at sansa because she would want to rule, writing that letter, etc). The whole winterfell storyline was just such a mess this season I don't think Arya really blamed Sansa for the letter that much. Arya just felt like Sansa enjoyed being in control too much and was afraid Sansa would try to displace Jon. The letter was to discredit her and prevent that. Once Sansa was willing to get rid of Littlefinger, it showed that she put her family over pursuing power. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
But yeah him saying "there needs to be payoff therefore getting there lazily/standard fantasy style is the only way" makes no sense really. On August 31 2017 09:55 Jerubaal wrote: I don't think Arya really blamed Sansa for the letter that much. Arya just felt like Sansa enjoyed being in control too much and was afraid Sansa would try to displace Jon. The letter was to discredit her and prevent that. Once Sansa was willing to get rid of Littlefinger, it showed that she put her family over pursuing power. Littlefinger being gone doesn't really show that though. Sansa has the power over the vale lords anyway apparently. So imo Arya and Sansa being best friends again doesn't really make much sense considering the tension between them was real and they actually could have killed each other. The development here is just all over the place and that's exactly something i criticize all the time. It's not well executed and only happens like that to have certain things happening. In earlier seasons things happened because the motives of characters made it happen. Meh. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Everyone talks about a prophecy about the heir to the iron throne has to die twice or something. Jon has died once and will die a second time when Tyrion kills him. The finale has him giving that look but also the fact that Tyrion has said aloud that Jon and Co. should die in the North when Dany receives a request for help and Tyrion does not want her to leave. he may think she is not heeding his advice enough so decides to solve the problem himself, and who knows he might love her himself. Jon is already friend of whatsher face who brought him back and now Beric who could easily be back at his side in instant to revive him. Thuis he has died twice. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
That and having a map as your opening credits but routinely disregarding any sense of consistent travel logistics to make events happen when you want are two of the things I think better writing could deal with in a more satisfying way. | ||
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B.I.G.
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On August 31 2017 14:23 B.I.G. wrote: The reviver is dead, beric was the revivee. Oh... well shit. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Godd06S.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PuDsvPV.jpg) I guess this supports the theory that Bran is/connected to the NK? I don't even know where to go with this, I'm gonna too drunk atm. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18270 Posts
On August 31 2017 16:57 Emnjay808 wrote: I don't know if this was brought up in the thread before but my friend brought this to my attention: I guess this supports the theory that Bran is/connected to the NK? I don't even know where to go with this, I'm gonna too drunk atm. You're one of those people who sees Jesus' face in burnt toast, aren't you?  They had to funnel zombies through a breach. It's a funnel shape, not a wolf head. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On August 31 2017 17:01 Acrofales wrote: You're one of those people who sees Jesus' face in burnt toast, aren't you? They had to funnel zombies through a breach. It's a funnel shape, not a wolf head. All I see is a cross-section of a bicycle rider. | ||
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Facet
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KwarK
United States43920 Posts
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